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The experience when using a computer is much more then any single hardware component. It's also very subjective.
For example, responding to SMS text messages and taking phone calls from your Mac through your iPhone is a very convenient and pleasant experience for me. This is due to a collaboration between hardware and software. The same can be said about any proprietary feature. This experience is what many (such as myself) are willing to pay a premium for.
The same could be said about Windows with the use of DirectX and Vulkan if better gaming is the experience you are after.
I don't find their prices too bad when speaking directly about the iMac in combination of my usage either. Even now it's nearly impossible to build a PC without compromising somewhere at the same price. Go online and build a PC with a 5k monitor and PCIe storage, don't forget wifi AC, webcam, speakers, mic, thunderbolt, etc. It MIGHT be possible but it's tough to hit the same price point. The Mini and Mac Pro are likely a different story however their are a lot of TB ports on the Pro...
IBM has *never* focused on "just supercomputers". In fact the entire supercomputer market segment -- by all manufacturers -- is only about $2 billion annual revenue. Cray only does about $600 million per year. It is a tiny, niche market segment. Do you know what a supercomputer is? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercomputer
Apple income from accessories (adapters, cases, watch bands, etc) is less than 3% of their total, but this still is bigger than the total supercomputer market by all manufacturers.
Do you have this mixed up with mainframes? Those do contribute about 25% of IBM's total revenue but they are not "just focusing" on mainframes either.
Oh iPhone
. We have Android.https://www.wired.com/2014/02/woz-interview/
More than %80 of market.
You just use iMac because of a cell phone? I don't know why Apple users just focus on secondary equipment like 5K monitors or...My problem is that Jobs said he want destroy PC and IBM but he can't and failed from 2003. My Pc motherboard can support 4 VGAs but how your Apple? Can you tell me that 4 VGAs is a useless option? How about Storage and... If you want upgrade your iMac then you must pay a lot and all of them are PC hardware but I just open my case and change everything that I like.
I don't know why you said me about WebCam, Mic or...I guess you never use your iMac Mic because it collect all voices in room and it is so useless. I use a headphone in my PC
If I want to buying a packed PC then I will select HP, Dell or Asus PCs not iMac.
Microsoft Surface is another option but I hate all in one PC.
Let's see the truth:
http://i.imgur.com/Z3Q0y.jpg
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I know what is a Supercomputer is:https://www.top500.org/lists/2016/11/
I can't see Apple there
BTW, Any question:
http://www.ihaveapc.com/wp-content/uploads//2011/07/Apple-VS-PC.jpg
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http://beebom.redkapmedia.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/cambrocke.png
Oh iPhone
https://www.wired.com/2014/02/woz-interview/
More than %80 of market.
You just use iMac because of a cell phone? I don't know why Apple users just focus on secondary equipment like 5K monitors or...My problem is that Jobs said he want destroy PC and IBM but he can't and failed from 2003. My Pc motherboard can support 4 VGAs but how your Apple? Can you tell me that 4 VGAs is a useless option? How about Storage and... If you want upgrade your iMac then you must pay a lot and all of them are PC hardware but I just open my case and change everything that I like.
I don't know why you said me about WebCam, Mic or...I guess you never use your iMac Mic because it collect all voices in room and it is so useless. I use a headphone in my PC
If I want to buying a packed PC then I will select HP, Dell or Asus PCs not iMac.
Microsoft Surface is another option but I hate all in one PC.
Let's see the truth:
http://i.imgur.com/Z3Q0y.jpg
Your understanding or lack thereof why people prefer different things is irrelevant. What I or anyone else find better is typically what we will buy.
You seem to prefer Android and a PC for reasons that don't interest me however I respect you feel that's better for you and because of that that is what you should buy.
For example you mention an iMacs upgradability which is a good point. However I'm not interested in upgrading computers, and if I was I would likely have a PC. I can definitely tell you 4 vgas is a useless option FOR ME with 100% certainty. Much like how 5k might be useless to you. Can you say CoreAudio is useless to you? Probably, however it's extremely important to me and yet another reason I prefer MacOS. Is Final Cut useless to you? Probably, but not me.
There are very specific things one offers over the other, the trick is picking which is better for you specifically.
5K monitors are useless for me, Useless is everything that a company claim produced it itself but not. I mean is LG monitors in Apple products or...
Use other API:
https://www.linux.com/news/introduction-linux-sound-systems-and-apis-0
Exactly, that's the point I was raising. My use of an iMac is beyond the pure hardware.
Good for you, one size doesn't fit all and many of us find that Macs offer a superior user experience based on ability and services that integrated between Apple products
And 4 VGA monitors are useless to me. What's your point?
Everything in a Mac is manufactured by other companies. I'm not following, isn't that the point of this thread?
For my use CoreAudio is better. Here is a real world example in a common peice of software....
Handbrake.
https://handbrake.fr/docs/en/latest/technical/audio-codecs.html
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I'm not negative, I just say you the truth. Mac for Server!!!! Don't kidding me. I guess you read "Using Mac OS X Lion Server: Managing Mac Services at Home and Office" by Charles Edge
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Truth? oh dear you sound so childish. You mean it's your opinion as you do not know how other people work.
I said server-side development. Do you actually know what software development is? It is NOTHING to do with "Mac for Server". Do you know how client-server technology works? With your comments you sound very inexperienced and only know how to use "off-the-shelf" products. I am talking Java, C, C++, etc. i.e building software which you can do with any OS. Much better with a terminal though for build.
Hardware assembly is easy, please do no make it sound like it's like soldering transistors on a board.
Like I said in a previous post I use Windows, Linux (15 years) and OS X. But you seem to be very selective in you choosing in what you read. Please read comments properly before replying as you seem to say things that people have not even said. Also, read the whole comment and not just choose a bit of it before replying.
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As I said, You may disagree with me or don't like it as myself but Windows OS is the best OS for clients
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I guess you thinking that I'm a Windows OS Fan
I have some experiences with Windows OS and just let me to answer some of your questions:
First of all why you never ask Microsoft Forum and I bet they have good answers to your problems.
You said:
3. Windows update often never finds updates ==> Please check update service or firewall rules.
8. My SP4 currently panics when plugged into an external monitor after the last windows update I did, so I cannot output any digital signal out, only analog (VGA) ==> Why you think Apple never crash? If I tell you I just plug an External WD HDD with 3TB capacity to iMac and it show me a Kernel Panic then can you believe me?
http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com...Thunderbolt-1-2-Update-Amid-Boot-Issues-2.jpg
10. Windows downloads updates and just leaves crap all over the C drive in folders such as Windows.old, Windows10Upgrade, etc. Doesn't bother to clean up after itself ==> Use third party software like "CCleaner" or "System Mechanic"
2. There is no convenient way to back everything up and restore it onto a fresh install like Time Machine ==> I guess restore point can help you
3. Font rendering looks like ass ==> Don't tell me it work in OS X very good. I just copied some similar fonts in OS X and I had font duplication and I must tell you that it killed me to solve the problem. I use third party like "RightFont" and "FontDoctor" and reboot iMac in safe mode for solve the problem.
4. It's not UNIX based so virtually no software development stuff works properly without VMs or modifications ==> Windows bought Ubuntu
https://www.vagrantup.com/downloads.html
Please Docker too:
https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-windows/
At the end, I must say you that you are brainwashed by Apple, You use PC with Unix OS then switch to Linux
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All platforms have viruses. Don't speaking about malware
Thanks for the backup software, I will check it out. As for Vagrant and docker - I currently use those as well as just vmware player and they work alright but they murder my battery.
I still think font rendering on windows sucks. It's not a huge problem on the SP4 HiDPI display but on my 1080p monitor font rendering in windows is just so..... ugly. Obviously a personal opinion but I definitely prefer font rendering in OS X and in most linux distros I use.
I said this in another thread:
Sorry for the long post.
Speaking solely about operating systems, I personally choose to use macOS, but I use Windows extensively at work. My reasons for vastly preferring Macs are listed below and it's really not because it's Apple, Apple just happens to be the company that provides these benefits. Many of these are just little things that I've grown accustomed to.
Speaking from a hardware side, the only reason I was able to push myself to get a Mac was because it runs Windows. Honestly, the need hasn't really come up, but knowing that I do have a full Windows PC just in case was huge for me.
Note: Stability used to be one reason, but Microsoft has really stepped up their game with Windows 10 which is the best Windows yet and the first on I could use personally if I had to.
Sorry for the long post.
Speaking solely about operating systems, I personally choose to use macOS, but I use Windows extensively at work. My reasons for vastly preferring Macs are listed below and it's really not because it's Apple, Apple just happens to be the company that provides these benefits. Many of these are just little things that I've grown accustomed to.
- Font rendering. Every time I use Windows I am reminded how much I hate how Windows renders font. I don't know if the font smoothing (or lack there of), but OS X typically has bolder, smoother fonts that are easier to read. I hate how jagged Windows fonts are and when you work with numbers and text all day every day that makes a difference.
- Workflow. OS X is simpler in my opinion and its my workflow. It's very drag-and-drop oriented. Applications are installed in the applications folder (with 1 or 2 library folders). The icon is the application so I can drag and drop apps between computers, files into other apps, etc. In Windows, programs seems spread all over and it's a pain to fully remove them. The Finder and the user Home folder is dead simple, thought Windows Explorer is more feature rich.
- OS X requires less maintenance and security precautions. Granted that safe computer practices can help with both OSes, but I have to run security software, defrag my disk, or undertake other maintenance as long I practice safe computing and remove applications I don't need appropriately.
- Provides the best integration with my mobile phone and table. Yes, I use Apple Devices, but even Microsoft wasn't able to achieve this with Windows and Windows phone. The ability to send text messages from my Mac and all of the other device tie in is incredible.
- Little things like:
- Multitouch gestures. I love OS X's implementation of spaces and swiping between them. Windows 10 now has a form of this, but it's not as intuitive. Scrolling, dragging, swiping, mission control, they all add a little something to the experience that makes Windows feel out of place to me.
- Forcetouch for links and file previews. I never thought I'd get so used to this with my Magic Trackpad 2, but now I even throw myself off when I use my 2013 MacBook Pro away from home and the built in trackpad doesn't have force touch.
- Scrolling in inactive windows. I never realized how much I used this over the years until using Windows at work. I'm not sure if Windows 10 has this yet.
- Ability to close an inactive window with one click. No need to switch to that application first and then close it.
- Apps: OS X is a fantastic platform for applications. Apps like Scrivener prioritize Mac development and some amazing applications like Pixelmater, Ulysses, Pages '09, etc. are Mac-only. Third party support has really made OS X.
Speaking from a hardware side, the only reason I was able to push myself to get a Mac was because it runs Windows. Honestly, the need hasn't really come up, but knowing that I do have a full Windows PC just in case was huge for me.
Note: Stability used to be one reason, but Microsoft has really stepped up their game with Windows 10 which is the best Windows yet and the first on I could use personally if I had to.
Why? MacOS - while I'd be willing to consider Linux, it does not run the software I need it to run and/or it becomes more expensive and complex than it ought to be. And Windows just ain't there for me when it comes to workflows.
Consequentially, this is also why I criticise Apple for their hardware releases; it feels like they are making it harder and harder for me to justify staying with macOS which I so like.
Consequentially, this is also why I criticise Apple for their hardware releases; it feels like they are making it harder and harder for me to justify staying with macOS which I so like.
This is true, the integration and experience are two more factors that would make it worth it to buyers. You can also throw in appearance/design, of course that is superficial.
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Ah, but it's not the same.Just use a PC with GNU/Linux
Nothing can compare to the beautiful aesthetics of OS X. the lovely visuals are one of the main reasons I stay with Mac.
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Read full text of me and not cut and paste here. Useless is anything that a company like apple claim that it is produced it but not. It just use other company hardware.
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It is my problem. Why you use Apple? All of your software can run in Linux and windows
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Please compare all of these with Linux
Why you use Apple? And Please read the Apple problems that a user posted in this thread. USB, HDD and...problems in Apple.
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Which software? Adobe products
Both Linux and OS X have a lot of Applications limitation.
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If you like compatibility then why you never order a Linux laptop: https://system76.com/ or http://www.emperorlinux.com/
It is my problem. Why you use Apple? All of your software can run in Linux and windows
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I build software such as native apps for each system. i.e. Xcode, Swift, Objective C.
Because PC just stands for "personal computer" and Apple make personal computers, as do every consumer computer phone and tablet manufacturer!!
Not all Linux users use just the shell (or command line, if you prefer). There are some very good GUI desktops for the many flavors of Linux that are easy to use, and don't require using the command line at all. I know a lot of people who rarely, if ever, use the command line, and are very happy with their Linux GUI desktop.
I have also installed Ubuntu on several friends' computers when they became very frustrated with Windows, it trashed their computer on update/upgrade, or whatever. These are not power users, if you want to call them that, and would never use the command line, but are very happy that their computer just works for them for e-mail, word processing, and multimedia activities. They are what you would call, "average" users.
Just so you know, I left Windows back in 2010 when I went from film to digital photography and no longer had access to a darkroom. Windows just didn't work well for me as a digital darkroom. I use MacOS and Ubuntu-Mate, and have been using Ubuntu since 2011. I was not unfamiliar with Linux, and had used it extensively in the mid to late 1990s. Interestingly, many times, I have found MacOS and Linux versions of open source software that don't have a Windows version.
I find it very easy to switch back and forth between MacOS and Ubuntu. Because MacOS is Unix-based, and Linux (whatever flavor you choose) is "Unix-like", it is very easy to switch back and forth. I also find that developing programs for one or the other is much easier to port code between them than with Windows.
Just my $0.02. I hope I have not started a firestorm.
Not all Linux users use just the shell (or command line, if you prefer). There are some very good GUI desktops for the many flavors of Linux that are easy to use, and don't require using the command line at all. I know a lot of people who rarely, if ever, use the command line, and are very happy with their Linux GUI desktop.
I have also installed Ubuntu on several friends' computers when they became very frustrated with Windows, it trashed their computer on update/upgrade, or whatever. These are not power users, if you want to call them that, and would never use the command line, but are very happy that their computer just works for them for e-mail, word processing, and multimedia activities. They are what you would call, "average" users.
Just so you know, I left Windows back in 2010 when I went from film to digital photography and no longer had access to a darkroom. Windows just didn't work well for me as a digital darkroom. I use MacOS and Ubuntu-Mate, and have been using Ubuntu since 2011. I was not unfamiliar with Linux, and had used it extensively in the mid to late 1990s. Interestingly, many times, I have found MacOS and Linux versions of open source software that don't have a Windows version.
I find it very easy to switch back and forth between MacOS and Ubuntu. Because MacOS is Unix-based, and Linux (whatever flavor you choose) is "Unix-like", it is very easy to switch back and forth. I also find that developing programs for one or the other is much easier to port code between them than with Windows.
Just my $0.02. I hope I have not started a firestorm.
Obviously I know that as I used KDE and GNOME ages ago. Last one I used was with Linux Mint. But I'll have to say they are good, but not very good.
This entire thread is just back and forth with a troll. If the OP doesn't like Apple or doesn't want to use Apple products or Mac OS, fine. Don't. Simple. Bye.
You limited yourself to Apple languages
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Thank you a lot.Not all Linux users use just the shell (or command line, if you prefer). There are some very good GUI desktops for the many flavors of Linux that are easy to use, and don't require using the command line at all. I know a lot of people who rarely, if ever, use the command line, and are very happy with their Linux GUI desktop.
I have also installed Ubuntu on several friends' computers when they became very frustrated with Windows, it trashed their computer on update/upgrade, or whatever. These are not power users, if you want to call them that, and would never use the command line, but are very happy that their computer just works for them for e-mail, word processing, and multimedia activities. They are what you would call, "average" users.
Just so you know, I left Windows back in 2010 when I went from film to digital photography and no longer had access to a darkroom. Windows just didn't work well for me as a digital darkroom. I use MacOS and Ubuntu-Mate, and have been using Ubuntu since 2011. I was not unfamiliar with Linux, and had used it extensively in the mid to late 1990s. Interestingly, many times, I have found MacOS and Linux versions of open source software that don't have a Windows version.
I find it very easy to switch back and forth between MacOS and Ubuntu. Because MacOS is Unix-based, and Linux (whatever flavor you choose) is "Unix-like", it is very easy to switch back and forth. I also find that developing programs for one or the other is much easier to port code between them than with Windows.
Just my $0.02. I hope I have not started a firestorm.
Please test "Unity Desktop" and "Cinnamon Desktop"
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Please use "Unity Desktop" or "Cinnamon Desktop". Don't forget, Unix use Gnome desktop too
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I just like to remind some Apple users that Apple is not a special or numberone product. Look at your iPhone, MacBookPro and...to see Samsung hadrware and other PC manufacturers in it
Bye
You limited yourself to Apple languages
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Thank you a lot.
Please test "Unity Desktop" and "Cinnamon Desktop"
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Please use "Unity Desktop" or "Cinnamon Desktop". Don't forget, Unix use Gnome desktop too
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I just like to remind some Apple users that Apple is not a special or numberone product. Look at your iPhone, MacBookPro and...to see Samsung hadrware and other PC manufacturers in it
Bye
I disagree Apple products are special, they are exactly what I want from my devices in both hardware and software and their build quality, design and quality control are second to none.
However they are special to me because they do exactly what I want if they didn't I'd buy an alternative that did. I wouldn't however feel the need to go online to bash Apple about it.
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Closing this thread down.
Its clear that OP has a predisposition regarding this topic and he's entitled to his opinion but at this stage, people are just talking past each other and the arguments are just getting re-hashed.
The platform wars are over (Steve Jobs even admitted this) and so is this thread
Closing this thread down.
Its clear that OP has a predisposition regarding this topic and he's entitled to his opinion but at this stage, people are just talking past each other and the arguments are just getting re-hashed.
The platform wars are over (Steve Jobs even admitted this) and so is this thread
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