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iTron5 said:
The area to the left of the machine next to the keyboard where the holes/speakers are at, gets almost to hot to touch, now granted i wouldn't have my hands resting there
You don't have to rest your hands there. ;)

That area's only an inch or so away from where most folks left hands would be (if they touch type -- the A S D F "home keys").

Something almost too hot to touch can easily keep something an inch away nice and warm.

Has anyone who has a MBP where it doesn't bother their hands if they type for a decent amount of type also run the firmware update required for Boot Camp? (This is the one you have to manually find and download from Apple's site). That's the only thing I can think that might have been different from the MBPs I tried and others.
 
iTron5 said:
'm in no way trying to disssuade anyone from any purchase, i am just relating my experience.
Same here. Thankfully most folks are having better luck with heat than I. :)
 
wait a second. people are considering 88deg F to be a heat issue?
dear lord, my powerbook frequently heats up to 130F its only at 88F if it has been off for a long time, and then after 5 mins use it jumps to 100F.
i never use my powerbook on my lap, it gets unbearably hot after a while.
so yes. i would still get a macbook or macbook pro. even with the current issues at hand. but i wont, simply because photoshop isnt universal yet.
 
AGoglanian said:
wait a second. people are considering 88deg F to be a heat issue? dear lord, my powerbook frequently heats up to 130F its only at 88F if it has been off for a long time, and then after 5 mins use it jumps to 100F.
88'F doesn't sound right.

Out of 94 MacBook Pros listed on http://intelmactemp.com, the average idle temp is 53'C / 127.4'F
 
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iTron5 said:
I agree that people may be thinknig it's hotter then comparative laptops because the aluminum enclosure conducts the heat out better then plastic and this occured to me, but really the fact is kind of irrelevant to the discussion.

Hey, I was just contributing my experience with the notebook to the forum.
I thought that was what the discussion was about.
 
I bought my MBP hearing about the heat issues, but i'm upgrading from a 800mhz g4 iMac, so it was very much needed. As far as the heat issue goes, this thing gets HOT underneath under heavy use, but that's the case for most laptops. I haven't seen any of the other issues. I'm so happy i got the MBP now instead of playing the waiting game.
 
aristobrat said:
Has anyone who has a MBP where it doesn't bother their hands if they type for a decent amount of type also run the firmware update required for Boot Camp? (This is the one you have to manually find and download from Apple's site). That's the only thing I can think that might have been different from the MBPs I tried and others.

I have run the update on mine, my text you quote was from experiences after that update.
 
Chrispy said:
Just as some others have suspected, I have been having people watch my video that shows off the whine. Some hear it clear as day while others hear nothing at all. With the volume up on the computer you watch it on, the sound is crystal clear to some of us including me. So, it turns out that some of the people saying their macbooks don't have the whine indeed may simply be unable to hear it after all.

I hear it, but I doubt it would be bothersome to me unless it was quite loud. I have had PDA's with backlights that whine when you turn them on, and they don't bother me in day-to-day use.

I'm really bad at estimating frequencies but that sounded like, what, 12 kHz?
 
Interesting. I didn't know about iSpectrum but that's something to look at when our new MacBook arrives.

We do acoustics here at work and I actually get the impression that a lot of folks can no longer hear high pitched noises like that. We have military-spec equipment in the lab that has high-speed fans running at 15-18,000 rpm's and there is a definite whine that is produced (apart from the motor noise itself). I don't know what else they do in other sections of the lab but I know sometimes such high pitched tones are produced (and amplified, and sent out through studio monitors). They always make me grimace or cower or otherwise plug my ears in pain, and everyone else is looking around saying, "What?"

One of my coworkers showed me a ringtone that's apparently making the rounds. It's a 17kHz tone. The idea is that kids can hear it, but their teachers can't, so they can discreetly use their phones at school...
 
notjustjay said:
One of my coworkers showed me a ringtone that's apparently making the rounds. It's a 17kHz tone. The idea is that kids can hear it, but their teachers can't, so they can discreetly use their phones at school...
Just curious... wouldn't you have to concentrate on hearing a tone that high pitched in order to hear it when it goes off? Besides, can cell phones' speakers actually produce that pitch? Can they produce that pitch in a practical volume?
Hm... I would think vibrate would work just fine for the purpose of using a phone in class.
 
well you see some people in these forums have jobs that require a computer. So because of this they need a computer to make money, so unlike some other's in this forum who are sitting with their finger on the trigger, probably still waiting for a g5 powerbook, these people buy their macs, and get back to work.
/rant
 
I really do wonder how many of the current people buying a MBP would even notice the whine or "moo", or think the heat was a problem for that matter, if they weren't reading about it and therefore expecting it to be a problem.

For my part, I bought one of the very first 17" ones (which may be less compained about than the 15" ones), and it neither whines nor moos. It gets toasty, but so does every other modern laptop I've used, including a late-model PowerBook, and I wouldn't have even considered that it might have been a problem if I hadn't read all the hulabaloo. I'll also note that while the keyboard gets a little warm, the trackpad is nearly room temperature under load, and the bronze G3 PB at work has a FAR hotter keyboard and trackpad than this thing--I consider it uncomfortable to use for more than a few minutes. So from my point of view, the fuctional temperature is an improvement.

I'll also note that, had I not already been a regular here, I wouldn't have registered just to say "My new MPB is awesome! I'm so satisfied with it!" If I was having problems, however, I might have registered to ask about them. So it's not like you get a stastically meaningful sample from the number of posts/complaints here.

Now, a Merom would be nice, but I needed a laptop immediately, and this one certainly does everything I need. As with all computer purchases, wait only if you can--there's ALWAYS something better on the horizon, and it's rarely worth putting off a purchase for if you need it now.

Final note about not being able to use it on your lap: While I technically can if I rest the edges on my legs and leave the middle open, no I can't. But then, I couldn't use the Dell I had for a business trip on my lap, either--it got just as hot. And I ran across a little review of one of those coolling pads being tested on a somewhat older Thinkpad that had an underside running between 58-61C. That's surface temperature, and that's FAR too hot to put on your lap. Heck even the processor core of mine generally runs cooler than that.
 
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