define out of date... if it does the job for you it makes no difference... phones are different...
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Why are so many people using out of date Macbooks?
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Simple this is the type of consumer companies such as Apple want and foster. Don't critically think or question simply follow their rhetoric and purchase over & over regardless of need. I'd far rather companies returned to the customer model and design products accordingly. If that requires regulation so be it, as sadly it seems the only way to reign in the likes of Apple...
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They're also "jerk" drivers. 9 out of 10 times when someone cuts me off, it's a waxed up pick up truck.
I use a 2012 Pro Retina as my daily, and I was just comparing the keyboards on all the new models at Best Buy yesterday. The 14 +16 pro’s had the worst ones (compared to the 2012) , with the M1 air bein the middle and the M2 air being the closest to the 2012 keyboard.
I know I will adapt regardless, but the sound and the feeling of typing on the newest pros was pretty disappointing. It further dissuaded me from them.
And as a complete aside, the placement of the speaker on all the new models (inside the hinge) create this odd, Spatial Audio hollow kind of sound. Will probably end up going with an M1 air to hold me off until I make the leap to a new pro.
The benefits of increased RAM and SSD space are extraordinarily significant, especially for applications that demand updated CPUs and GPUs. But the cost of a new Mac that meets these specs is prohibitively expensive. If your activities don’t extend beyond the capabilities of an old MacBook, sticking with it makes more sense.
The pivotal shift in laptop performance wasn't the M1 chip. The real game-changer was the integration of internal SSDs and along with significant RAM. As long as a computer possesses these features, it's generally adequate for any typical office tasks.
Furthermore, there's an emotional aspect to this decision. It feels wrong to spend a significant amount of money on something that costs Apple so little to upgrade. The vast difference between the cost for them and the price for us can be hard to justify, especially when it's for components that are so inexpensive.
Of course, this contributes significantly to Apple's profits, and it's a practice they've maintained for a long time. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem like they're planning to change this approach anytime soon.
She is one of the most tech adverse people I know. Granted, she is in the early Boomer generation.
Isn’t it Apple’s job to give these people compelling reasons to upgrade? If they are met enough with their current device than Apple hasn’t yet convinced them.
No need to do Tim’s work for him looking down upon these people.
No need to do Tim’s work for him looking down upon these people.
Until April 2022, I was still using a mid-2012 quad-core i7 with discrete graphics running Catalina and a 2020 iPhone SE. Capture One Pro and the Affinity suite of graphics design applications were working just fine.
The only thing that was really wrong with it was the same problem it had when it was new: running hot.
I switched to an M1 MacBook Air (loaded, since you can't upgrade it later) and a 2022 iPhone SE. I'll probably have these a while. I used to switch computers every couple of years but there isn't much to be gained as these performance levels, unless I'm processing 4K video.
The only thing that was really wrong with it was the same problem it had when it was new: running hot.
I switched to an M1 MacBook Air (loaded, since you can't upgrade it later) and a 2022 iPhone SE. I'll probably have these a while. I used to switch computers every couple of years but there isn't much to be gained as these performance levels, unless I'm processing 4K video.
Sorry I offended anyone.
I just thought with the cost of an iPhone I thought an $800 MacBook would be a drop in a bucket. Then I forgot about how people usually get there phones through their carriers.
I just thought with the cost of an iPhone I thought an $800 MacBook would be a drop in a bucket. Then I forgot about how people usually get there phones through their carriers.
I don’t imagine anyone was offended. Incredulous at your original post, perhaps… but not offended.
The average college student doesn’t care enough about the latest MacBook. They know nothing of the model, the processor, RAM, or anything of that nature. Most of the time, they don't even bother to update their Macs...or they think they updated, but the macOS installer window is actually minimized in the background unable to move forward since there's only 12 GB of available storage space left. It's really just used for web browsing, emails, and word documents.
They do, however, want the latest iPhone to take better pictures and jump on the latest version of iOS to get their fresh dosage of emojis
😃😍
They do, however, want the latest iPhone to take better pictures and jump on the latest version of iOS to get their fresh dosage of emojis
😃😍I‘m still wearing a North Face down vest that I purchased in the mid-70s. It still fits and looks as good as when I bought it. I stopped using my 2009 MBPro last April when I got my 2021 MacBook pro. The old MBP was acting up. I just upgraded to a 2015 iPhone because my iPhone 7 was really acting badly.
Because my MacBook pros from 2013 and 2014 work just fine, running Ventura btw.
If it works, it works!
Phones tend to be updated more by people as their batteries get consumed much faster due to daily use.. and due to major changes like design or camera hardware.
Meanwhile the 2012 Macbook Pro’s design still holds up very well today other than it’s bezels. Unless you need better battery or performance there isn’t much to complain about in those models even today, especially if they have the latest macOS installed with the various patches that are available theses days.
Phones tend to be updated more by people as their batteries get consumed much faster due to daily use.. and due to major changes like design or camera hardware.
Meanwhile the 2012 Macbook Pro’s design still holds up very well today other than it’s bezels. Unless you need better battery or performance there isn’t much to complain about in those models even today, especially if they have the latest macOS installed with the various patches that are available theses days.
I don’t understand the folks who say “I’m gonna get the latest, maxed out model of MacBook Pro because I want it to be ‘future proof’.”…
…then buy the next new model that comes out.
…then buy the next new model that comes out.
I suspect if they did as you say and upgraded to the M1 MBA, +10 years from now you’d be saying, “Why do I see so many people using the M1 MBA when they could just upgrade to the M20?” I suspect the Goldilocks zone the M1 struck will just give you more of the same thing you’re already seeing.
I'm someone coming at this from a different angle. For me it is more important to have a fairly current up-to-date and reasonably powerful Mac that will do everything I require of it than it is to have the latest iPhone. I spend more time at home than I did in the (pre-pandemic) past. In general I don't spend a lot of time on the phone, it is not glued to my hand and/or always in my pocket. Some of the time I go out somewhere and realize belatedly that, oh, gee, I forgot the phone and left it at home. Too bad.....no harm done.
My preference is to spend my time and money on having a current Mac which works well in all of the ways I need and want to use a computer. I do appreciate the synchronicity of the Apple system, which is why I use it.
I don't care what other people are using or the possible age of such products when I see them out-and-about. Whatever works for them, well, that's what matters. Everyone has his or her own lifestyle and tools which are their choices for enhancing that lifestyle.
My preference is to spend my time and money on having a current Mac which works well in all of the ways I need and want to use a computer. I do appreciate the synchronicity of the Apple system, which is why I use it.
I don't care what other people are using or the possible age of such products when I see them out-and-about. Whatever works for them, well, that's what matters. Everyone has his or her own lifestyle and tools which are their choices for enhancing that lifestyle.
We made strangely the same purchases. I had a 2012 i7 Mac Mini that just became too unstable to use last year and upgraded to a pretty well loaded refurbished M1 MBA for the same reasons. The only difference is I’m still using an SE2.
Why do people still use windows laptops from 2012 that have quad core cpus , ssds and 16GB of ram a that’s still work on windows 11? whole eleven years later?
Cause they work. They are cheap. And the economy isn’t great.
Only people who REQUIRE new Apple silicon or the latest and greatest for actual niche work spaces and upgrade regularly. And even then a lot of those people don’t.
Apples computer shipments have fallen 40% year over year for the last two years because people have less money and most workspace requirements haven’t changed much.
If it works for you, why replace it?
Contrary to what most Apple diehards think you don’t need Apple silicon to get things done. UNLESS you specifically require it. Or have the money.
If you think you NEED Apple silicon while they are still supporting intel machines with new updates. And the existence of Opencore. You’ve been successfully sucked in by apples billion dollar marketing strategy.
When a machine in 2012 MacBook Pro came with 8GB of ram and a 2023 STILL comes with 8GB of ram it makes no sense. And no amount of marketing on apples part can justify it. Apple choosing to keep the base model pro device locked in FORVER. At 8GB without a special pre built upgrade it’s made a lot of people mad.
We’re starting to see those 11 year old devices with 8GB of ram and event 16GB FINALLY meet end of life.
But all of those devices had something the new devices don’t.
EXPANDABILITY. They were expandable for a decade to meet the needs of the user over time.
Where as these 8GB device will NOT have the same longevity.
It ate into apples profit margins. People were not upgrading after their apple care ended.
Now they are kinda forced as these newer devices have significantly more points of failure.
You need to look into OpenCore. Get some more life out of that machine. Get a newer OS on it
I’m just thinking this post was market research for Apple and they are figuring out not letting people upgrade their devices is keeping used hooked to older hardware longer out of fear the new MUCH MORE expensive Apple silicon devices will die much faster than their sturdy 12 year old MacBook pros.
Use OpenCore and use the latest Firefox. Even on your 2011 MBP
Just wait till your kids find out that you deprived them of cartoons on Mini LED…
Lots of bank applications stop working on older versions of iOS or even just older versions of the app itself on current iOS versions. They require that you update to sign in. Email providers do the same. So older devices lose some functionality that many consider basic, simply because they cannot install a more recent OS.