Seriously, given how stale and buggy iOS 11 is, I’d prefer that every other year they focus only on bug fixes and not new features. Never has a public release felt as big of a beta as iOS 11.
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Seriously, given how stale and buggy iOS 11 is, I’d prefer that every other year they focus only on bug fixes and not new features. Never has a public release felt as big of a beta as iOS 11.
Never has an iOS release had so many total amount of features, or been as open to 3rd party developers before. The walls of the garden are getting shorter and in turn allow for a lot more variables to cause issues.
The OP obviously has never been involved in software development. As much as you try it is impossible to for see exactly how every user will use the software and every combination of key strokes. In addition with a product such as this with applications that run on top - again you can't for see every combination of applications that run at the same time over millions of users. These combinations again cause issues that no one had thought of.
If anyone thinks that Apple wants bugs or doesn't try its best to eliminate bugs again doesn't understand business or software/hardware development.
You will never see perfect software in anything much more complex than a program that has one line of code that prints your name
If anyone thinks that Apple wants bugs or doesn't try its best to eliminate bugs again doesn't understand business or software/hardware development.
You will never see perfect software in anything much more complex than a program that has one line of code that prints your name
Out of the box, iPhone 8 is not shipped with a bug free os. Free updates means the developer can ship buggy code and not be responsible.
It’s virtually impossible to have bug free software. It’s been pointed out numerous times
Android devices don't get updates, most are bug free out of the box.
So no one has bought computers or any software or TVs or even cars in the past few decades if not ever? Pretending that somehow bugs don't exist in anything and that perfect mass produced products are out there is just silly.
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Ah, right, most Android devices are bug free, and out of the box too...now we know the silliness we are dealing with. Seems like there isn't much in the way of a meaningful discussion to be had there.
LOL I just almost choked on my drink. Did someone REALLY just suggest Android devices have no bugs out of the box 
The ignorance here is real. I would suggest using google search and/or visiting some Android forums. Android is MORE buggy than iOS by a long shot; AND not fixed by updates as most devices dont get more than 1 or 2 updates total.
The 5S still being supported with iOS11 was released in 2013 between the Galaxy S4 and S5 (S5 in spring 2014) and even the newer released Galaxy S5 is still on Android 5 officially 3 versions old.
If the grass is greener, dont let the door hit ya! You'll be sorry from experience.
The ignorance here is real. I would suggest using google search and/or visiting some Android forums. Android is MORE buggy than iOS by a long shot; AND not fixed by updates as most devices dont get more than 1 or 2 updates total.
The 5S still being supported with iOS11 was released in 2013 between the Galaxy S4 and S5 (S5 in spring 2014) and even the newer released Galaxy S5 is still on Android 5 officially 3 versions old.
If the grass is greener, dont let the door hit ya! You'll be sorry from experience.
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Retired now but I had almost 45 years in s/w and system development, some systems being safety critical and with SLOCs measured in the millions and sometimes in the many tens of millions. Even on the most critical systems where testing went to unbelievable lengths (and costs) bugs always got through - lots of them. Complex s/w - including operating systems (which I also worked on) - have too many combinatorial paths for 100% test coverage and problems will always exist, no matter the number of release iterations.
I understand that but, isn't it Apples job to thoroughly test every possibility? That's what their R&D department is for.
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And if there is a software but, then it doesn't work!
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I totally agree and this was my point.
Yes, not working or having bugs gets in the way of course, I was just pointing out that the whole "it just works" wasn't aimed at that in its origin.
No, Apple cannot test every possibility - there is not enough time or money to do that. And no, it is not the responsibility of the R&D department to test - that's what the Test organization does. If you think that large and complex software can be delivered without bugs then you do not understand software development.
Apple decides which hardware can run iOS 11. You say "every possibility" like there are hundreds. Apple controls the hardware and the software. All other 3rd party apps run in a sandbox. 3rd party apps should not have any effect on iOS springboard, which is under Apple's control.
Except that apps and user data and settings and different usage combinations do in fact have an effect and introduce variations.
If final products weren’t released until all bugs are fixed, you would never see a new computer, phone, or tablet ever again. And as cars get “smarter”, you can forget about new cars too.
You don't find many of the bugs until released - as I said previously having a million people use something will turn up things that testing never can. Each person uses a different combination of applications and uses their phone differently. So if you want the flexibility and usability of products like smart phones you'll need to live with some bugs.
My wife's Samsung makes an Apple phone look perfect.
When everything you do in life is perfect, get back to us with your lack of understanding about the fallibility of man.
I have come up with a routine on how to properly restore devices so there are no bugs on iOS 11.
1. Download 3utools
2. Delete “profile,secure and text input” from your Iphone under iCloud storage
3. Reset device
4. Put device into dfu mode
5. Open 3utools
6. Pro Flash the device with the latest Ipsw, “make you turn off reserve baseband features on the right hand side before you flash” and don’t activate the phone from within the app.
7. When finished “setup as new” and wait 30 minutes while the phone indexes.
This works every time and I have all day battery life on an iPhone 6s Plus with 80% battery capacity left.
1. Download 3utools
2. Delete “profile,secure and text input” from your Iphone under iCloud storage
3. Reset device
4. Put device into dfu mode
5. Open 3utools
6. Pro Flash the device with the latest Ipsw, “make you turn off reserve baseband features on the right hand side before you flash” and don’t activate the phone from within the app.
7. When finished “setup as new” and wait 30 minutes while the phone indexes.
This works every time and I have all day battery life on an iPhone 6s Plus with 80% battery capacity left.
And many times, plenty of iPhone owners have said there devices and iOS experiences were bug free. This is you trying to "save face" with this comment.
And many times, plenty of iPhone owners have said there devices and iOS experiences were bug free. This is you trying to "save face" with this comment.
No it’s not. It’s me saying it’s virtually impossible to have bug free software.
I never once said I had zero bugs, nor am I responsible for anyone who makes that kind of claim.
Keep trying, Samsung is gonna love all that overtime you’re putting in.
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Actually, yes we would, only they'd be better products. But, Apple doesn't want to their time to do it right and miss out on profits.
Maybe you're of the generation that demands things now and change for the sake of change. That only produces unpolished products. There once was a time when quality mattered, even if it took years to perfect.
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