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Why are YOU buying a nMP?
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why do you feel the need to be rude to me for doing something that doesn't affect you in any way shape or form?
I've found that Apple kit is just as reliable on Windows as long as apples drivers are stable. In this case I fear they might not be at the start with apps that utilise the GPU. My clients have been warned there could be teething problems but nevertheless want them!
I will buy the 12-core model. Not that i need it, but i never owned a MP and i think it looks cool.
I do some light photo/video editing, my current 2013 rMBP is ok, but more power doesn't hurt.
Can't wait for Dell to release some 4k monitors.
This seems like odd budgeting to me. Unless you need to cut the time to process out 1000+ raw files at a time (not that uncommon), cpus are unlikely to be the best allocation of budget. Storage might help. The 6 core is likely to give you enough room to "grow into" the machine. Ram is good to a point. If you want performance in photo and video editing, the machine should be able to use ram rather than a disk cache whenever possible. This still counts with ssds. They make a big difference, but ram is still better. Whether gpus will make a significant difference for you depends on the video editing apps used and how you use them.
He stated in another thread that he allows orders of Macs, as long as they will run OSX.
I don't think it will save most people anything... It consumes similar power to most other desktop computers and I doubt most people turn them on, run a job, and then turn them off. As evidenced by all the people wasting electricity surfing this forum multiple times a day
However, If you have a gas furnace and stove, an ice box, use candles and wash your clothes by hand and hang them to dry... Then yes, you may need a new wheelbarrow for all your savings on electricity.
Hmm with no vote ups and compared to others ... it would seem I'm onto something with this thought ... seem being the key word. At the very least its on ppls' minds.
The outgoing Mac Pro has 2 x 6 Core Xeon X5675 cpu's with a Max TDP of 95 W.
However the new top end 12 core CPU has a Max TDP of 130W
my main reason;
I work on computers for a living, so it kind of behooves me to have a decent computer. (and it's a write off).
It also makes a nice 45th birthday present to myself. Though I will probably get it 3 months late.
I'm getting the 6 cored D700, with 512gb SSD and 16gb ram.
I'll bump the ram with chips from OWC to save a couple hundred.
I work on computers for a living, so it kind of behooves me to have a decent computer. (and it's a write off).
It also makes a nice 45th birthday present to myself. Though I will probably get it 3 months late.
I'm getting the 6 cored D700, with 512gb SSD and 16gb ram.
I'll bump the ram with chips from OWC to save a couple hundred.
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I'm sure it'll be a great computer to look pretty on the desk of a lawyer or executive--running MS Word, Mail, and browsing the web. Maybe a little AOL
This is an interesting thread, though there as many people saying why they're not getting one as are getting one.
Quite a few who pretty obviously don't need the power for anything specific--enthusiasts who want a pretty-looking tech-porn fixture in their home / home office.
Nothing wrong with that. These folks may actually get the most value out of this appliance.
I'm doing fine with my 5,1. The 6,1 would incur a huge expense for no benefit and huge detriment (read: I upgrade, tweak, modify).
This is an interesting thread, though there as many people saying why they're not getting one as are getting one.
Quite a few who pretty obviously don't need the power for anything specific--enthusiasts who want a pretty-looking tech-porn fixture in their home / home office.
Nothing wrong with that. These folks may actually get the most value out of this appliance.
I'm doing fine with my 5,1. The 6,1 would incur a huge expense for no benefit and huge detriment (read: I upgrade, tweak, modify).
Because I started my studio on a shoestring, debt-free, including making do with a couple of lesser-capable Macs to start with. I've been ready to move up to a Mac Pro of some sort for nearly a year now, but have waited to buy into the newest version.
I already have all my non-system stuff external so this nMP will ease seamlessly into my workflow with scarcely a ripple--not counting the massive speed-ups in rendering and processing times I expect to realize. I'm already negotiating two post-holiday gigs which will nearly pay for the new system if all goes well.
ETA: I didn't read the OP's instructions carefully enough. I'll be getting the 6 core, with middle-of-the-road options: 32/512/D500. That was the most bang for the buck IMO while living within my hard limit for total cost.
I already have all my non-system stuff external so this nMP will ease seamlessly into my workflow with scarcely a ripple--not counting the massive speed-ups in rendering and processing times I expect to realize. I'm already negotiating two post-holiday gigs which will nearly pay for the new system if all goes well.
ETA: I didn't read the OP's instructions carefully enough. I'll be getting the 6 core, with middle-of-the-road options: 32/512/D500. That was the most bang for the buck IMO while living within my hard limit for total cost.
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Honest, direct, and concise.
The opposite is why I waited for the nMP: I do not upgrade, tweak, modify, or tinker at all. I used to, many years ago, but nowadays I want my rigs to "just work" out of the box with an absolute minimum of fuss so I can focus all my computer time on creating content that makes me money. I expect my use case is about as close to a bullseye for the designers of this thing as can be.
If and when I finally save enough money, I'll be buying the 8 core, D700, 64 GB option because:
1. I want a computer that will be future proof for at least the next 8 years.
2. I've been meaning to buy a powerful desktop for some time now.
3. It's pretty.
1. I want a computer that will be future proof for at least the next 8 years.
2. I've been meaning to buy a powerful desktop for some time now.
3. It's pretty.
My reasons:
I've been waiting very patiently to upgrade my Mac Pro 1,1
The power of a 32GB 6-core nMP with either a D500 or a D700 (waiting for benchmarks) will be great for Osirix - which is by far the most demanding app I personally run. Most of my other apps would run fine on anything.
Faster Handbrake transcoding and presumably less noticeable slowdown if I'm doing something else on the machine simultaneously.
My MP 1,1 runs very loud (I have to boost the fan speeds or my RAM modules give me heat-related errors - despite the machine being cleaned inside repeatedly).
The iMac is nice but I'd like to be able to replace/upgrade the display without having to replace everything else simultaneously.
The downside: what a really need is the mythical mid-tower xMac, which will never happen. So I'm stuck with a few less-than optimal choices -
- Mac mini (the BTO upgraded four core i7 is likely fast enough for most of my apps and I can use any display I choose, but integrated graphics is inadequate for Osirix)
- iMac (fast with a good-enough GPU but stuck with the included display for the life of the machine. Adding a second still leaves me with the original one which I may not want or need)
- Mac Pro (probably overkill in both power and price for what I do but only option that solves the other two shortcomings above).
I've been waiting very patiently to upgrade my Mac Pro 1,1
The power of a 32GB 6-core nMP with either a D500 or a D700 (waiting for benchmarks) will be great for Osirix - which is by far the most demanding app I personally run. Most of my other apps would run fine on anything.
Faster Handbrake transcoding and presumably less noticeable slowdown if I'm doing something else on the machine simultaneously.
My MP 1,1 runs very loud (I have to boost the fan speeds or my RAM modules give me heat-related errors - despite the machine being cleaned inside repeatedly).
The iMac is nice but I'd like to be able to replace/upgrade the display without having to replace everything else simultaneously.
The downside: what a really need is the mythical mid-tower xMac, which will never happen. So I'm stuck with a few less-than optimal choices -
- Mac mini (the BTO upgraded four core i7 is likely fast enough for most of my apps and I can use any display I choose, but integrated graphics is inadequate for Osirix)
- iMac (fast with a good-enough GPU but stuck with the included display for the life of the machine. Adding a second still leaves me with the original one which I may not want or need)
- Mac Pro (probably overkill in both power and price for what I do but only option that solves the other two shortcomings above).
They already support Windows 8 so they support Windows 8.1 as well (there are no differences between the two in this area). Also when you buy anything from manufacturers like HP or Dell you solely rely on them for proper driver support. I can tell you that they get it wrong very very often, even with business hardware... The same applies to many other manufacturers such as Wacom, Logitech (their drivers are an absolute nightmare) and so on.
And thus you rely on VMware for proper Windows support (think about VMware Tools and the open source version open-vm-tools)
That boils down to waiting for a new version of their products in order to support a newer OS properly. It's exactly what they did with Windows 8.1. If you think Parallels does a better job...don't think because they do the same thing as VMware. I'd better not mention all the other problems you have with virtualisation with desktop virtualisation apps (PCIe passthrough doesn't exist for example).All in all: the argument of not supporting boot camp on Macs due to driver support doesn't hold at all. The only reason not to support boot camp is the complexity it brings. There are 2 operating systems running on a machine that can only be switched upon reboot. What if you don't reboot often enough into one of them? This can also apply to a virtual machine btw. In the end it doesn't really matter what you choose, you'll have to be able to handle all the quirks it has since nothing comes without it.
Ordered a 12-core/D700/32/512.
I own a post production facility. This machine is going to live in our DI theater, driving a 2K cinema projector, and be will used for:
Why am I buying this machine? I tried a couple of Windows machines to see if they were viable in these sorts of roles, and while we got them to work, at some level, Windows is frequently somewhat flaky in this role, some of the software we want to run isn't available for Windows, it's annoying to maintain both OS X and Windows versions of our in-house workflow tools, literally every drive we've ever been handed by a client is Mac formatted and utilities for handling this under Windows are less robust than I'd like, and, well, I just don't like Windows very much.
What I want is a fast, solid, officially supported OS X system that can just crank through jobs. The combination of Thunderbolt 2 and dual integrated high-end graphics cards on this machine solve the expansion problems we had with the old Mac Pro (not enough slots).
I anticipate this machine serving in the role described above for 2-3 years, after which it will likely move to one of the offline edit suites we rent out, where it will easily be useful for another 2-3 years. (Which we could never do with a Windows system Macs are standard in rental edit suites, at least around here.)
From my perspective this machine isn't really missing anything important. GPU upgradability might save us a bit of money by allowing us to keep it around in its initial role for another year or whatever, but given that we have other roles available for it when it's no longer cutting edge and we'll want the shiny new thing anyway, this isn't that big a deal.
I own a post production facility. This machine is going to live in our DI theater, driving a 2K cinema projector, and be will used for:
- Conforming and color grading feature films in DaVinci Resolve.
- Large transcoding jobs, e.g. converting dozens of hours of camera-original footage to an offline format like ProRes Proxy for an editor to work with.
- DCP encoding and creation of the half-dozen other deliverable formats distributors require for feature films.
- Being generally shiny and impressive to clients.
Why am I buying this machine? I tried a couple of Windows machines to see if they were viable in these sorts of roles, and while we got them to work, at some level, Windows is frequently somewhat flaky in this role, some of the software we want to run isn't available for Windows, it's annoying to maintain both OS X and Windows versions of our in-house workflow tools, literally every drive we've ever been handed by a client is Mac formatted and utilities for handling this under Windows are less robust than I'd like, and, well, I just don't like Windows very much.
What I want is a fast, solid, officially supported OS X system that can just crank through jobs. The combination of Thunderbolt 2 and dual integrated high-end graphics cards on this machine solve the expansion problems we had with the old Mac Pro (not enough slots).
I anticipate this machine serving in the role described above for 2-3 years, after which it will likely move to one of the offline edit suites we rent out, where it will easily be useful for another 2-3 years. (Which we could never do with a Windows system Macs are standard in rental edit suites, at least around here.)
From my perspective this machine isn't really missing anything important. GPU upgradability might save us a bit of money by allowing us to keep it around in its initial role for another year or whatever, but given that we have other roles available for it when it's no longer cutting edge and we'll want the shiny new thing anyway, this isn't that big a deal.
That topic shows the new Mac Pro only supports Windows 8. Windows 8.1 is nothing more than what 10.9.1 is to 10.9. People can do an ordinary update via Windows updates without having to reinstall drivers and other software which clearly shows there is nothing wrong. Windows 8.1 is not a completely new version, it is merely an update to Windows 8. We can clearly see this by the volumes of people successfully running Windows 8.1 on the same hardware that they used to run Windows 8, even on Macs (and yes those examples can also be found on this forum).
HP officially supports Windows 8, yet quite a lot of their hardware isn't able to run it properly. Windows 8.1 does not bring any difference in that. This is for example noticeable with the graphics drivers they have for the videocard. This isn't the first time though.
This doesn't change anything about the situation, your argument still is moot. Any OEM has such driver problems anyway. There are simply better reasons not to do allow such configs
It kind of does make the box shaped workstations with an ATX or BTX form factor look like a 30's Ford next to a 64 Mustang.I'm sure it'll be a great computer to look pretty on the desk of a lawyer or executive--running MS Word, Mail, and browsing the web. Maybe a little AOL
This is an interesting thread, though there as many people saying why they're not getting one as are getting one.
Quite a few who pretty obviously don't need the power for anything specific--enthusiasts who want a pretty-looking tech-porn fixture in their home / home office.
Nothing wrong with that. These folks may actually get the most value out of this appliance.
I'm doing fine with my 5,1. The 6,1 would incur a huge expense for no benefit and huge detriment (read: I upgrade, tweak, modify).
I'm still kind of miffed about the lack of internal expansion, I'm just hoping that Adobe CC and the other apps I rely on will be optimized for it's CPU+GPU+GPU configuration.
I've rolled the dice on D700 vs 8 or 12 core. Hoping that isn't a mistake.
If nothing else it will be the best damn gamin console money can buy.
I've rolled the dice on D700 vs 8 or 12 core. Hoping that isn't a mistake.
If nothing else it will be the best damn gamin console money can buy.
If Crossfire is enabled (which I think is highly unlikely), the Dual D700 will be a great gaming system. If not, the Steambox with a GTX780 or Titan will be significantly better.
best of both worlds
too rich for my blood but probably a good setup for a high end computer studio..
[edit] or possibly the best (neatest) setup for the 'windows at work - mac at home' pros.
My 1,1 doesn't run loud, unless the video card intake is clogged. Have you tried cleaning that? (Assuming an older card).
That said, ordered my Hex/D500, as I just can't see the 1,1 as worth the expense of updates, it will still be a 7-year-old computer. Wanted something to give me modern IO and bus speeds, and to last at least another 5 years.
Now if I was sitting on a 5,1, I probably would have stuck with that, but it's not worth buying a 5,1 and then doing all the upgrades, at least for my uses.
ha.. my 1,1 has been running for a few days and it sounds like it's about to keel over.. but now that you mention it, it does sound like the 5770 which is making all the commotion.. i'll try cleaning it a little later..