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I just ordered a new iMac 24" 2.8Ghz yesterday and now getting second thoughts! I keep thinking to myself if I should have waited for MacWorld in January. Why is this drving me nuts!:mad: Maybe I should buy something older, this way I don't care about the new. What is the best way to stay on top of the Mac update wave?

Update: Also, has anyone have experience with the wireless keyboards and mouse? I ordered my computer with the wired keyboard and mouse but now I feel that it would be nice not having to deal with the wires. Is there any advantage to either of them?

its great,no problems, you wont see updates till spring, its not worth the wait, that machine you ordered is amazing, just install the updates, great with leopard, no freezing, may need to calibrate the screen (mines fine by the way), but people said, that has been fixed with leopard, but there is uneven backlighting, but it is only noticeable when the screen is black, and it isnt that bad ;) other wise, awesome machine, the glossy screen is fine, unlike most, it doesnt really glare at all, you may need extra speakers as the ones built in are pretty horrid. the keyboard is VERY nice, the wireless on doesnt have the number pad though, but when you get it, goto system preferences, and make the mouse tracking very fast... trust me, you frustrate yourself to death if you dont
 
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I think you should send it back because IMO whenever you open up the box nothing will make you happy. It seems to me that you are looking for reasons to be unhappy when you don't have any at the present time:p
 
The wired mighty mouse's mighty short leash is a PIA, and can keep getting underneath the mouse.

Either get a cheap USB extension and plug it in on the back of the machine, or go wireless.

The full wired keyboard isn't something that I'd give up.
 
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I think you should send it back because IMO whenever you open up the box nothing will make you happy. It seems to me that you are looking for reasons to be unhappy when you don't have any at the present time:p

I was wanting to say the exact same thing. Some customers are never satisfied.

We are still relatively early in this iMac cycle. It was about 11 months between the last major revisions and we will be right around 5 months on the new aluminum ones at Macworld. Yes, you never know but I wouldn't hold my breath or stop myself from buying one now worrying about it.
 
Well, I got my new iMac yesterday and have not opened it yet. I might return it and wait till January (MacWorld). I am just wondering what other new options will be out there. I feel that there is going to be some big changes and I rather be on the latest product wave than to spend as much as I did on this computer now. It would be nice if Apple would give out some hints of what's to come. I feel that it not fair to charge full price on something when something newer and faster will be coming out very soon for the same price. Even if Apple would lower their prices on the current stuff that they know they are going to upgrade soon, this would give us a hint that something new is coming out soon. I mean you spend $2000 on a nice system now and then in a few weeks they come out with a better system for the same price. Oh well, that's the way it goes for the technology world. I might be looking in to it way too much.:rolleyes: I don't understand way I am not crazy excited that I just got this new computer.

There won't be an iMac update since the pro machines are the only ones that haven't been updated in a while. The Mac Pros, Mac Book Pros, and Cinema Displays all need updates, not the MacBooks and iMacs. The machine you have will be new for at least another 5 months. I say be happy with it, it's an amazing machine that is flawless. There is no gradient issue, or conspiracy. Glossy is just as good as matte, and in my professional video/photo editing position glossy is better.

The other thing I am not crazy about is how some people who have just received their iMacs like me, stated that their computers didn't come with Leopard pre-installed and that the box that the computer came in say Tiger on it(I haven't checked mine yet). They came with a dropped DVD. I feel that for a new system to be in the $2000 range and up should have the latest software installed. I know that these iMac were updated back in August but come on, we know how fast computers are update today. Why buy a system in November that was made back in August. Heck, it might have been sitting in a warehouse for who knows how long. We are spending full price for a computer that is already 3 months old and did not have Leopard installed. It make these iMacs look kind of thrown together, if you know what I mean. Am I thinking out of term here? Please let me know. I will say that I have learned a lot on these forums!

Believe me, $2000 is not a lot of money. If it's a dropped in DVD then stick the disc in before you even start doing anything on it and install Leopard. It's not hard at all, in fact, you only have to hit three or four buttons. Consumers (like myself at times) always seem to think that the money they spend is a fortune. I worked at a camera store and one annoying lady whined about the $200 camera she bought and how it didn't come with a bigger memory card.... LORD HAVE MERCY ON MY SOUL!

I was wanting to say the exact same thing. Some customers are never satisfied.

He should just send it back and wait. He won't be happy unless he does that and waits until MacWorld.

We are still relatively early in this iMac cycle. It was about 11 months between the last major revisions and we will be right around 5 months on the new aluminum ones at Macworld. Yes, you never know but I wouldn't hold my breath or stop myself from buying one now worrying about it.
 
He should just send it back and wait. He won't be happy unless he does that and waits until MacWorld.

Yeah, but judging by his tone in here I believe he'd find something to complain about even if he bought the iMac on its release date.

I think he should send it back and not buy one period for true maximum satisfaction because he's never going to get what he wants. That is, unless you believe he achieves some sort of satisfaction through his complaining which has crossed my mind.
 
Yeah, but judging by his tone in here I believe he'd find something to complain about even if he bought the iMac on its release date.

I think he should send it back and not buy one period for true maximum satisfaction because he's never going to get what he wants. That is, unless you believe he achieves some sort of satisfaction through his complaining which has crossed my mind.


next you will say that I am a PC user right? Please, I am looking for a machine that will last for a long time. Who's complaining? I am sure this machine will be great and you could be right that there won't be any updates for a long time. I and others feel that it is tough to make a decision when MacWorld is just around the corner:rolleyes:

Let's stop this! I feel that it might start getting ugly. I am not on here to complain. I love Macs and use them to teach and freelance design.
 
next you will say that I am a PC user right? Please, I am looking for a machine that will last for a long time. Who's complaining? I am sure this machine will be great and you could be right that there won't be any updates for a long time. I and others feel that it is tough to make a decision when MacWorld is just around the corner:rolleyes:

Let's stop this! I feel that it might start getting ugly. I am not on here to complain. I love Macs and use them to teach and freelance design.

I could perfectly understand a desire to wait until Macworld if there was a real possibility that Apple would be releasing new iMacs or iMac upgrades then. They almost certainly won't. Still, it's only a few weeks away so if waiting makes you happy more power to you.

I was more referring to your other complaints like Leopard not being pre-installed being false advertising and machines not having been manufactured within days of the date of purchase being bad business.

If you want to buy a Mac at a discounted price why not consider a refurb?
 
next you will say that I am a PC user right? Please, I am looking for a machine that will last for a long time. Who's complaining? I am sure this machine will be great and you could be right that there won't be any updates for a long time. I and others feel that it is tough to make a decision when MacWorld is just around the corner:rolleyes:

Let's stop this! I feel that it might start getting ugly. I am not on here to complain. I love Macs and use them to teach and freelance design.

I agree. I don't want it to get out of hand either, and your attitude is justified. I am waiting for MW08 as well, expecting new pro machines. My tower G5 is getting old and I have a great opportunity to get a new MBP for cheap, so i am trading my Core 2 Duo 2.16 with 2GB of RAM and using the cash for the 17" or super 15" MBPs with Penryn, 512MB of GFX RAM, 3G networking BTO, NO MacBook keyboard, and magnetic latch.

I say return the machine and wait until MacWorld, but many here can bet that Apple won't do any to the iMac at MW08. It's a sweet machine now, with processors and GFX that make the MacBook Pro look slow and dated.
 
I just ordered a new iMac 24" 2.8Ghz yesterday and now getting second thoughts! I keep thinking to myself if I should have waited for MacWorld in January. Why is this drving me nuts!:mad: Maybe I should buy something older, this way I don't care about the new. What is the best way to stay on top of the Mac update wave?

Update: Also, has anyone have experience with the wireless keyboards and mouse? I ordered my computer with the wired keyboard and mouse but now I feel that it would be nice not having to deal with the wires. Is there any advantage to either of them?

While no one ever really knows what Apple is going to do next I seriously doubt you are going to see any major change in the iMac anytime soon. I own the exact model you are getting and it is great, you will not be disappointed.

I doubt Apple will go back to a matte screen anytime soon, there is no reason for them to change anything on the iMac anytime soon. The iMac was just redone in Aug, there is nothing major on the market now nor will there be in Jan to make Apple upgrade the iMac.

I don't see Apple going to quad cores in another of their machines anytime soon, just can't see anything major at all. If you like the machine and it fits you needs thats all that matters. You could end up waiting forever if your always looking for the next best thing.
 
I guess what I am trying to say is that the iMac is an awesome machine, 2.8Ghz Extreme, crazy fast. I need a computer to do graphic design work (Adobe CS3 (Illustrator/Photoshop), Dreamweaver, Flash, music, and possible small movies down the road, etc.). What is making this tough for me is that I spent $2500 for this great machine and I am wondering if there is going to be a Pro machine (either MacPro or MBP) for less or the same price but faster and better for design work. I have always used laptops and also used Dual Processor G5s desktops at where I taught. That is why it is tough for me to make a decision. I could just keep my iMac and purchase a MacBook down the road but I wonder if there is going to be a super fast something and won't need to buy anything else. I hope I cleared up what I am trying to say. Obviously it's been a while since I bought a new mac.
 
I am wondering if there is going to be a Pro machine (either MacPro or MBP) for less or the same price but faster and better for design work.

Won't ever happen. There's no way Apple will make a pro machine for the same price or cheaper than a customer machine.

There won't be anything faster than your 2.8 until third quarter 2008, unless you step up to Mac Pro for more $$$.
 
Won't ever happen. There's no way Apple will make a pro machine for the same price or cheaper than a customer machine.

There won't be anything faster than your 2.8 until third quarter 2008, unless you step up to Mac Pro for more $$$.

I wonder what the new entry level MacBook Pro will be, could it be a 2.8Ghz? I wonder if they are going to start at $1999. Will it be what the 24" iMac 2.8Ghz computer is now, just portable? If it looks that way then you get the best of both worlds with a MBP and any additional displays right?. I just hope that these new computers that are coming out soon are not going to make the iMac of now look weak. Am I way off on this? I guess the real question for me is, do I want a desktop or a laptop? I just don't know if I am ever going to leave the house if I get an iMac! LOL:D

Plus people who own the laptops say they can't put them down. But it would be nice to own a work horse and an iMac with a MacBook later might be a good choice too.
 
I guess what I am trying to say is that the iMac is an awesome machine, 2.8Ghz Extreme, crazy fast. I need a computer to do graphic design work (Adobe CS3 (Illustrator/Photoshop), Dreamweaver, Flash, music, and possible small movies down the road, etc.). What is making this tough for me is that I spent $2500 for this great machine and I am wondering if there is going to be a Pro machine (either MacPro or MBP) for less or the same price but faster and better for design work. I have always used laptops and also used Dual Processor G5s desktops at where I taught. That is why it is tough for me to make a decision. I could just keep my iMac and purchase a MacBook down the road but I wonder if there is going to be a super fast something and won't need to buy anything else. I hope I cleared up what I am trying to say. Obviously it's been a while since I bought a new mac.

Oh man, now your talking.... I didn't know that you wanted to do the high-end stuff as well. Now that you have mentioned that, things will get more confusing.

Okay. You have two choices if you want to get a fast machine that won't choke up on graphics and media. The Dual 2.8GHz iMac, or the base line Mac Pro (that you should wait until Jan. to get). Honestly it's up to how you feel about the lack of expandability but great price and space saving design of the iMac, and how you feel about the unlimited expandability and power, but high price tag of the Mac Pro.

I am in the same boat since my friend got the 24" 2.8GHz iMac and it is wicked fast. Much faster than any MacBook Pro that I have used, and much much faster than the Power Mac G5 Quad in my honest opinion. When running Intel apps the thing is truly a beast, and will be that way until Apple and Intel create a Dual Core 3GHz laptop processor for it. Now the price is heafty compared to other tower PCs with the same specs, but it's an iMac made by Apple running OS X. And, the only thing you can expand and not break the warranty is the memory. Once the machine is old enough you can expand on the Hard Disk Drive but that's not that big of a deal anyway.

With the MacPro, you can spend your $3000 (since you will wait two months until January and save $500+) on a mid range MacPro, or even the low end Mac Pro that may just be the Quad 2.66 GHz model. And take the rest of your cash and grab a nice Dell/HP/Samsung monitor; or if you want a well built monitor (and if Apple updates them) you can get the Apple Cinema Display.

The choice is definitely yours and one that you and only you can make.

I wonder what the new entry level MacBook Pro will be, could it be a 2.8Ghz? I wonder if they are going to start at $1999. Will it be what the 24" iMac 2.8Ghz computer is now, just portable? If it looks that way then you get the best of both worlds with a MBP and any additional displays right?. I just hope that these new computers that are coming out soon are not going to make the iMac of now look weak. Am I way off on this? I guess the real question for me is, do I want a desktop or a laptop? I just don't know if I am ever going to leave the house if I get an iMac! LOL:D

Plus people who own the laptops say they can't put them down. But it would be nice to own a work horse and an iMac with a MacBook later might be a good choice too.

The low end MacBook Pro (MBP) will get either a 2.4 GHz chip or a 2.6 GHz chip. The high end may get the 2.8GHz as BTO like the iMac. It won't be that much faster than the iMac especially if you get the slower HDD, and the GFX card will most likely be comparable but a tad bit under clocked to keep the power consumption and heat down, I truly don't know. I do know that the chips will be up to 2.8 GHz if only as BTO (Built - To - Order).

You will get best of both worlds with a 15" high end MBP and a 23" ACD or new ACDs released at MacWorld. I am a "have best of both worlds in fact" kinda guy, so I still stand by getting both machines. Like my friend, who has the iMac and is getting a BlackBook, I will have both a desktop and a laptop no matter what. The big issue with me is that you will never know what will happen to that laptop that you carry around, but most chances are that your heavy desktop will stay just where it is. So if my MBP where to ever get stolen from me, or dropped, or wet, or damaged in anyway (which has happened to both my MBP and G5 tower) I have a spare machine.

If you can happily get both.... get both.... either an iMac and MacBook, iMac and 15" MacBook Pro, or if you care to go the route a Mac Pro and MacBook Pro (my dream setup) and get the comfort of having everything you need at your disposal to do any task that you or your job may throw at you wherever you feel free to complete them. Or you can make the decision you need to purchase the type of machine you want when you want.

In the end, it's all up to you.
 
I guess what I am trying to say is that the iMac is an awesome machine, 2.8Ghz Extreme, crazy fast. I need a computer to do graphic design work (Adobe CS3 (Illustrator/Photoshop), Dreamweaver, Flash, music, and possible small movies down the road, etc.). What is making this tough for me is that I spent $2500 for this great machine and I am wondering if there is going to be a Pro machine (either MacPro or MBP) for less or the same price but faster and better for design work. I have always used laptops and also used Dual Processor G5s desktops at where I taught. That is why it is tough for me to make a decision. I could just keep my iMac and purchase a MacBook down the road but I wonder if there is going to be a super fast something and won't need to buy anything else. I hope I cleared up what I am trying to say. Obviously it's been a while since I bought a new mac.

Oh man, now your talking.... I didn't know that you wanted to do the high-end stuff as well. Now that you have mentioned that, things will get more confusing.

Okay. You have two choices if you want to get a fast machine that won't choke up on graphics and media. The Dual 2.8GHz iMac, or the base line Mac Pro (that you should wait until Jan. to get). Honestly it's up to how you feel about the lack of expandability but great price and space saving design of the iMac, and how you feel about the unlimited expandability and power, but high price tag of the Mac Pro.

I am in the same boat since my friend got the 24" 2.8GHz iMac and it is wicked fast. Much faster than any MacBook Pro that I have used, and much much faster than the Power Mac G5 Quad in my honest opinion. When running Intel apps the thing is truly a beast, and will be that way until Apple and Intel create a Dual Core 3GHz laptop processor for it. Now the price is heafty compared to other tower PCs with the same specs, but it's an iMac made by Apple running OS X. And, the only thing you can expand and not break the warranty is the memory. Once the machine is old enough you can expand on the Hard Disk Drive but that's not that big of a deal anyway.

With the MacPro, you can spend your $3000 (since you will wait two months until January and save $500+) on a mid range MacPro, or even the low end Mac Pro that may just be the Quad 2.66 GHz model. And take the rest of your cash and grab a nice Dell/HP/Samsung monitor; or if you want a well built monitor (and if Apple updates them) you can get the Apple Cinema Display.

The choice is definitely yours and one that you and only you can make.

I wonder what the new entry level MacBook Pro will be, could it be a 2.8Ghz? I wonder if they are going to start at $1999. Will it be what the 24" iMac 2.8Ghz computer is now, just portable? If it looks that way then you get the best of both worlds with a MBP and any additional displays right?. I just hope that these new computers that are coming out soon are not going to make the iMac of now look weak. Am I way off on this? I guess the real question for me is, do I want a desktop or a laptop? I just don't know if I am ever going to leave the house if I get an iMac! LOL:D

Plus people who own the laptops say they can't put them down. But it would be nice to own a work horse and an iMac with a MacBook later might be a good choice too.

The low end MacBook Pro (MBP) will get either a 2.4 GHz chip or a 2.6 GHz chip. The high end may get the 2.8GHz as BTO like the iMac. It won't be that much faster than the iMac especially if you get the slower HDD, and the GFX card will most likely be comparable but a tad bit under clocked to keep the power consumption and heat down, I truly don't know. I do know that the chips will be up to 2.8 GHz if only as BTO (Built - To - Order).

You will get best of both worlds with a 15" high end MBP and a 23" ACD or new ACDs released at MacWorld. I am a "have best of both worlds in fact" kinda guy, so I still stand by getting both machines. Like my friend, who has the iMac and is getting a BlackBook, I will have both a desktop and a laptop no matter what. The big issue with me is that you will never know what will happen to that laptop that you carry around, but most chances are that your heavy desktop will stay just where it is. So if my MBP where to ever get stolen from me, or dropped, or wet, or damaged in anyway (which has happened to both my MBP and G5 tower) I have a spare machine.

If you can happily get both.... get both.... either an iMac and MacBook, iMac and 15" MacBook Pro, or if you care to go the route a Mac Pro and MacBook Pro (my dream setup) and get the comfort of having everything you need at your disposal to do any task that you or your job may throw at you wherever you feel free to complete them. Or you can make the decision you need to purchase the type of machine you want when you want.

In the end, it's all up to you.
 
Any opinions of wireless or wired keyboard and mouse?

I just looked at some new old stock 24" 2.16Ghz white iMacs. Man I would be saving $900 if I go with the older white one. That's a good savings. Even the new 24" 2.4Ghs looks good now, I would be saving $400 if I change to the 2.4. ahhh! :confused:

1. Bitching about the glass glossy screen is overblown and overated! My studio has 4 huge windows with direct sunlight all day....no problems with the "glare."

2. Glossy screen makes colors deeper and better.

3. Since the iMac just came out, there will be NO MAJOR revisions to the iMac.

4. When I had my G4 tower, I had Apples wireless keyboard and mouse. Both worked just fine, (and my G4 did not have bluetooth). Had to use a USB doggle, but all was cool. Internal blue tooth and wireless should work fine.
 
The 2.8GHz Core 2 Extreme X7900 (rated at TDP 44W) is too hot to run in the MBP. Penryn X9000, the die-shrink version of the X7900 due in January 2008, is also rated at 44W and won't make into MBP. You'd have to wait until 3rd quarter 2008 if you want 2.8GHz (with 1066 MT/s front side bus and runs at 35 W) in MBP, but then the iMac may be upped to 3.06GHz at that time. The best you can go in the MBP at this time is 2.6GHz.
 
The 2.8GHz Core 2 Extreme X7800 (rated at TDP 44W) is too hot to run in the MBP. Penryn X9000, the die-shrink version of the X7800 due in January 2008, is also rated at 44W and won't make into MBP. You'd have to wait until 3rd quarter 2008 if you want 2.8GHz (with 1066 MT/s front side bus and runs at 35 W) in MBP, but then the iMac may be upped to 3.06GHz at that time. The best you can go in the MBP at this time is 2.6GHz.

I really hope that isn't the case, since I have my heart set on a Dual 2.8GHz machine, but if you are correct, and I am sure you are, then I will have to settle for the 2.6 GHz in the MBP; but that processor better be stock for the high-end machines and not BTO.

I also hope that Apple gives the MBP a case update to change the latch to the magnetic one on the MacBook, but they can keep the over rated MacBook keyboard. Add an eSATA port or another FW400 or 800 port and I will be satisfied with a Dual 2.6 GHz.
 
It looks like it be safer to stick with the iMac for now or wait for the new laptops. I have also notice in the past with laptops that it's not always the best to buy the first of the new design. It seems that they always have there problems and Mac fixes them on the next update.

The Black MacBook looks like a sweet machine next to the new iMac!:D
 
I really hope that isn't the case, since I have my heart set on a Dual 2.8GHz machine, but if you are correct, and I am sure you are, then I will have to settle for the 2.6 GHz in the MBP; but that processor better be stock for the high-end machines and not BTO.

The die shrink reduces heat and allows Intel to up the clock speed, but it's still rated at 44W according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...#.22Penryn.22_.28standard-voltage.2C_45_nm.29 , same as the 2.8GHz X7900 and there must be a reason why Apple isn't using anything hotter than 35W (the 2.6GHz T7800) in the MBP. I'm not an expert on this so I don't claim to be correct, but Apple has never placed an Extreme processor in its mobile product.
 
The die shrink reduces heat and allows Intel to up the clock speed, but it's still rated at 44W according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...#.22Penryn.22_.28standard-voltage.2C_45_nm.29 , same as the 2.8GHz X7900 and there must be a reason why Apple isn't using anything hotter than 35W (the 2.6GHz T7800) in the MBP. I'm not an expert on this so I don't claim to be correct, but Apple has never placed an Extreme processor in its mobile product.

JayLenochiniMac,
Looks like you are only using the non-pro machines. Are you happy with these set ups? I am wondering if sticking with the iMac and a MacBook after January is a smarter choice. It's not like the MBP of now and the iMac are that different in power. I have spoken to other designers who use the same programs as I do and most of them have said that it's an overkill to go with the pro machines. Yes, they are super fast and nice but one never gets to totally use it''s full capabilities. Plus, also heard that the Pro-machines are better for video/music studios and 3D animation stuff.
 
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