Most new members come here to have an issue resolved. They didn't come here to watch us fight amongst ourselves or try to one-up each other. If we don't have something productive to say as far as resolving the issue, then it is best to remain silent. The pointless arguing is doing nothing more than wasting everyone's time. Please stick to goal at hand, which is resolving an issue for a new Mac user. We all want new Mac users to see us as intelligent and reliable, right?