iPhone X Why do 1st gen Apple products get criticized when the next iPhone X will be allegedly similar to now

[Hieveryone]

I’ve been following the rumors for the next iPhone X, and it seems like it’s going to be similar to the current one.

So why was there criticism for the current iPhone X and people saying to avoid a first generation Apple product?
[doublepost=1534799084][/doublepost]I love my iPhone X. The only thing I would like to see is it become thinner, lighter, and more durable bc for some reason my screen and stainless steel band have more light scratches than previous iPhones I’ve had. And the oleophobic coating wared off quick too

But I don’t think that’s a first gen issue, especially if the next gen allegedly is the same form factor...

 

[JPack]

I wouldn't consider it similar given it will come with 4GB RAM, 4x4 MIMO, 18-Watt fast charging, and potential horizontal Face ID and Pencil support.

Some iPhone 7 Plus users were looking for a larger display with a keyboard that was at least as wide. iPhone X has a smaller display area. Other users were looking for dual-SIM support.

 

[Hieveryone]

I wouldn't consider it similar given it will come with 4GB RAM, 4x4 MIMO, 18-Watt fast charging, and potential horizontal Face ID and Pencil support.

Some iPhone 7 Plus users were looking for a larger display with a keyboard that was at least as wide. iPhone X has a smaller display area. Other users were looking for dual-SIM support.

What is 4x4 mimo.

 

[teknikal90]

What is 4x4 mimo.

at the end of the day, faster wifi. not really a big deal.

 

[kargurin]

Thinner, lighter and even less battery life. After all it's not practical performance were after, but looking good.

 

[JPack]

What is 4x4 mimo.

Much better LTE connectivity in marginal or low-signal areas.

 

[KOTN91]

I wouldn't consider it similar given it will come with 4GB RAM, 4x4 MIMO, 18-Watt fast charging, and potential horizontal Face ID and Pencil support.

Some iPhone 7 Plus users were looking for a larger display with a keyboard that was at least as wide. iPhone X has a smaller display area. Other users were looking for dual-SIM support.

Lol hardly earth shattering, must-have features. I’m sure the average X user must be wetting themselves with excitement

Still undecided on whether it’s worth upgrading from a 7, but for people on an X it’s a totally negligible difference

 

[Hieveryone]

Lol hardly earth shattering, must-have features. I’m sure the average X user must be wetting themselves with excitement

Still undecided on whether it’s worth upgrading from a 7, but for people on an X it’s a totally negligible difference

I was thinking this too.

Like more RAM? So is my iPhone X going to become slow next month if the new iPhone X’s are released? Or will the next one launch calendar app and safari that much faster with 4GB RAM if it has that?

Pencil? Really? Like I didn’t know I was missing out without it tbh.

If the front facing camera is better like 8MP or something then I may upgrade.

But that’s only bc I need the best selfies bc I take a lot.

Most people prob won’t care for a better selfie camera esp if it’s incrementally better.

 

[KOTN91]

Also why on earth would you actually want/need to use horizontal Face ID

 

[JPack]

Lol hardly earth shattering, must-have features. I’m sure the average X user must be wetting themselves with excitement

Still undecided on whether it’s worth upgrading from a 7, but for people on an X it’s a totally negligible difference

No one is expecting earth shattering improvements.

But there are a few known issues such as dust in the camera lens, green line on display, and water resistance that are expected to be improved for 2018.

 

[Hieveryone]

My point was this

Why do first gen Apple products get criticized, specifically the iPhone X?

ESPECIALLY, if the next iPhone X isn’t allegedly going to be that much different? Like a re-design or something.

Like avoiding this iPhone X solely bc it’s a first gen seems unnecessary.

 

[JPack]

I was thinking this too.

Like more RAM? So is my iPhone X going to become slow next month if the new iPhone X’s are released? Or will the next one launch calendar app and safari that much faster with 4GB RAM if it has that?

Pretty sure iPhone 6 owners thought the same thing until iPhone 6s came out with more memory. Apple has used 3GB RAM since iPhone 7 Plus. If you don't do heavy multi-tasking or run AR apps, you won't notice a difference.

Pencil? Really? Like I didn’t know I was missing out without it tbh.

Pencil isn't available yet so most people don't know if they're missing out or not.
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My point was this

Why do first gen Apple products get criticized, specifically the iPhone X?

ESPECIALLY, if the next iPhone X isn’t allegedly going to be that much different? Like a re-design or something.

Like avoiding this iPhone X solely bc it’s a first gen seems unnecessary.

Why does it need a re-design when the internal components still have room for improvement? For example, A11 overheats and throttles even before it can complete a single run of 3DMark.

You might not feel RAM, 4x4 MIMO, fast charging, or thermal throttling are important. But many people who are informed and pay close attention feel otherwise.

 

[eoblaed]

So why was there criticism for the current iPhone X and people saying to avoid a first generation Apple product?

A lot of people like to repeat this mantra (avoid first gen products), but it's by and large hooey. All the supposed 'big' issues were either so blown out of proportion as to be non-sensical, or were just symptoms of a relatively small number of people that lacked complete common sense with how to treat their devices. The overwhelming majority of people don't have 'first gen' problems with any of the devices they get (such as the so-called antenna-gate and bend-gate). This includes my rather large family where several of us get every model when it comes out, and so have had every first gen phone Apple has made; they've all been fine.

It's unfortunate, because this unfounded fear has prevented a lot of people from enjoying newer, more capable devices because they feel as if there's some risk in getting the 6, or the 7, or the X, or whatever.

 

[Hieveryone]

A lot of people like to repeat this mantra (avoid first gen products), but it's by and large hooey. All the supposed 'big' issues were either so blown out of proportion as to be non-sensical, or were just symptoms of a relatively small number of people that lacked complete common sense with how to treat their devices. The overwhelming majority of people don't have 'first gen' problems with any of the devices they get, and that includes the so-called antenna-gate and bend-gate. This includes my rather large family where several of us get every model when it comes it, and so have had every first gen phone Apple has made; they've all been fine.

It's unfortunate, because this unfounded fear has prevented a lot of people from enjoying newer, more capable devices because they feel as if there's some risk in getting the 6, or the 7, or the X, or whatever.

That's was I've been thinking too. I mean I'm using the iPhone X. Best phone ever. By far. I mean we really are living in the future.

And then when I heard the rumors about the next iPhone X, and it seems like it's going to be similar in many ways, I was perplexed why it got heat from a lot of folks who said avoid it because it's a first gen.

And from what I've heard on youtube, iOS 12 is only going to make it better. I've heard that it will not slow it down, but I suppose we'll see. Let's hope that's true.

 

[kevink2]

Pencil isn't available yet so most people don't know if they're missing out or not.
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I don't see the need for a pencil for me. I don't miss the smartphones I had before the iPhone 3G where I used, and frequently lost, styluses

 

[now i see it]

The iPhone 6 Plus was a first generation product and it blew every previous model out of the water. Sure, later models improved upon the design with CPU refinements and more RAM etc, but the 6 Plus unquestionably hit the ball out of the ball park. Home run.

 

[ACG12]

The iPhone 6 Plus was a first generation product and it blew every previous model out of the water. Sure, later models improved upon the design with CPU refinements and more RAM etc, but the 6 Plus unquestionably hit the ball out of the ball park. Home run.

Not sure what home run you’re talking about, it was the worst iPhone I’ve ever owned and I’ve owned almost all of them.

Lack of ram, terrible front facing camera, no 4K video, touch disease (that Apple had the nerve to charge me an extra $150 to replace with another touch diseased 6 plus). It was the worst $1000 I had ever spent.

 

[Hieveryone]

I’m talking about the iPhone X specifically, as a first gen.

Yes the iPhone 6 Plus was, well, slow. I owned it. And it wasn’t good IMO.

But the iPhone X is not like the iPhone 6 Plus.

Like what makes it a “1st gen” or rather what makes it bad?

And because the next iPhone X is allegedly the same in many ways, then why the criticism...
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I’m talking about the iPhone X specifically, as a first gen.

Yes the iPhone 6 Plus was, well, slow. I owned it. And it wasn’t good IMO.

But the iPhone X is not like the iPhone 6 Plus.

Like what makes it a “1st gen” or rather what makes it bad?

And because the next iPhone X is allegedly the same in many ways, then why the criticism...

The only real criticism of the iPhone X can maybe be is that it’s thick and heavy. Maybe uncomfortable in the hand.

But from the rumors out there, the next iPhone X seems to be the same form factor.

 

[JPack]

I’m talking about the iPhone X specifically, as a first gen.

Yes the iPhone 6 Plus was, well, slow. I owned it. And it wasn’t good IMO.

But the iPhone X is not like the iPhone 6 Plus.

Like what makes it a “1st gen” or rather what makes it bad?

iPhone 6 Plus wasn’t bad on day one.

The RAM limitations didn’t crop up until iOS 10 or 11.

Touch disease wasn’t a thing until those devices were out of warranty and consumers had to pay out of pocket.

The iPhone 6s was certainly better but users didn’t know until years later.

iPhone X is within warranty so we don’t know much until a bit later.

 

[Jimmy James]

Also why on earth would you actually want/need to use horizontal Face ID

Need is a strong word. But want? Because you’re using you’re phone in landscape when the screen shuts off and you want to resume that way. Sure you can rotate twice but that should also be unnecessary.

 

[Hieveryone]

iPhone 6 Plus wasn’t bad on day one.

The RAM limitations didn’t crop up until iOS 10 or 11.

Touch disease wasn’t a thing until those devices were out of warranty and consumers had to pay out of pocket.

The iPhone 6s was certainly better but users didn’t know until years later.

iPhone X is within warranty so we don’t know much until a bit later.

Actually from what I remember the iPhone 6 Plus was slow... from day one

 

[Krayzkat]

I wouldn’t really call the X a 1st gen device, but then I wouldn’t call the 6 plus, 5, and 4 (that was my first iPhone), 1st gen either. Slight redesigns I’d say.

But anyway, some people say to avoid new ‘slight redesigns’ so that Apple can iron out all the little problems that they don’t think of/notice pre-release.

I remember when I got the 6 plus (worst iPhone ever) I was disappointed in the seemingly lack of ram and/or processor it had thatwas maybe partly due to the increased screen size. I ditched that phone as soon as the 6s plus came out and have kept it for nearly 3 years now without any experiencing any of the frustration I would get using the 6 plus.

The only thing (if I remember correctly) that the 6 plus impressed me with was the much faster Touch ID it has compared to my previous 5. I can’t remember when the ‘2nd gen’ Touch ID came out that was way faster/more accurate, but it must have been after at least the first year anyway (obviously). I know for some people Face ID hasn’t been as great for them as for others (maybe they are too ugly for it to work properly), but hopefully this years iPhones have improved Face ID.

I know this will just be an easy software fix, but I also hope they get rid of the swipe to unlock gesture and then bottom edge bar. I don’t really think they are needed. So maybe now people have been doing that for a year Apple will decide to remove it.

 

[bpeeps]

Pretty sure iPhone 6 owners thought the same thing until iPhone 6s came out with more memory. Apple has used 3GB RAM since iPhone 7 Plus. If you don't do heavy multi-tasking or run AR apps, you won't notice a difference.



Pencil isn't available yet so most people don't know if they're missing out or not.
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Why does it need a re-design when the internal components still have room for improvement? For example, A11 overheats and throttles even before it can complete a single run of 3DMark.

You might not feel RAM, 4x4 MIMO, fast charging, or thermal throttling are important. But many people who are informed and pay close attention feel otherwise.

iPhone 6 memory problems were a joke though. The phone had zero longevity.

 

[eoblaed]

That's was I've been thinking too. I mean I'm using the iPhone X. Best phone ever. By far. I mean we really are living in the future.

And then when I heard the rumors about the next iPhone X, and it seems like it's going to be similar in many ways, I was perplexed why it got heat from a lot of folks who said avoid it because it's a first gen.

And from what I've heard on youtube, iOS 12 is only going to make it better. I've heard that it will not slow it down, but I suppose we'll see. Let's hope that's true.

I've been running beta builds of 12 on my X for quite a while. The last couple (betas 8 and 9) have been spectacular.

 

[joeblow7777]

My point was this

Why do first gen Apple products get criticized, specifically the iPhone X?

ESPECIALLY, if the next iPhone X isn’t allegedly going to be that much different? Like a re-design or something.

Like avoiding this iPhone X solely bc it’s a first gen seems unnecessary.

If the next was was a significantly different redesign, then it would essentially be a 1st gen. I don't necessarily agree with the rationale, but the idea is that the second iteration of the same design (ie. this year's model) will have all the kinks worked out. If it was radically different people would be worried about new kinks. For instance, some people were worried about OLED burn-in or problems with FaceID because Apple hadn't done them before, but now they know that Apple has had practice at it.
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iPhone 6 memory problems were a joke though. The phone had zero longevity.

I used an iPhone 6 for over three years. Zero longevity my eye!