I think the thread is pointing out that the prices in the US store don’t include VAT. You can’t exactly leave that out when comparing prices.
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iPhone 14 Pro Max Why do Europeans complain about non-existent price increases?
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I don't disagree with a lot of your post, but the above is not accurate in my experience. I am not just talking about recently, but every time there is an article about Apple price changes abroad.
Many people post things about Apple being greedy (which I think Apple can be, just not about exchange rates), and post price comparisons without taking in account exchange rates, VAT, and other things that led to the price differences.
The same thing applies for places local consumer protection laws. I vividly remember a post from someone saying that Apple shouldn't increase pricing when their country started forcing Apple to honor three year warranties inline their the local consumer protection laws.
That said, I understand that price increases from Apple when everything else is increasing sucks. Maybe if enough people on your side of the pond skips this year, Apple might consider lowering the price for future models.
Those laws have been in place since the 1970’s though and ensure consumers are not sold £1k products designed to start failing after just 12 months of use. If anything in that situation it should be countries like the US forcing companies to abide by the same rules as it’s only positive for the general consumer.
Sure, though it varies by state.
In GA it used to be you paid sales tax even on private used vehicle purchases because it was collected when the new owner went to transfer title. Then the owner paid an annual ad valorem tax based on the estimated value. A few years ago it changed to no sales tax on selling a used vehicle and no annual ad valorem, but instead a flat (statewide) 7% ad valorem tax when transferring title. So they still collect tax every time a vehicle changes hands, but they don't double tax it.
Seems a bit over the top to expect normal people to be macroeconomists whenever they're a bit bummed that their new phone has gone up by £100...
We can argue if a mandatory three year warranty is good for the consumer or not, but the point was there is a cost to that warranty that is passed down to the consumer. Places that have consumer protection laws that force longer warranty periods will have their Apple products priced accordingly.
As for whether warranties on Apple devices should be mandated to be longer than a year, I personally like the option of buying an extended warranty if I want. I rarely ever get Apple Care, and I rarely ever have a problem with my Apple devices.
I would rather spend less overall on my Apple devices, deal with the smaller warranty, and occasionally get Apple Care on devices that I suspect might have problems.
I love the freedom of choice.
in France also the price has increased sharply 1259 € iPhone 13 Pro Max last year the 14 pro Max 1479 € there is an increase of more than 200 € it's huge. But Apple fans are bleeding to be able to have the latest Apple phone customers are there the money too APPLE is rubbing its hands Always wanting the latest technologies the latest watches the latest fashions clothes have become an exclave of this company at all beautiful, very cute They care more about appearance than knowing if their neighbors have enough to eat
The price in dollar is non-relevant.
The price is local currency has increased a lot. Due to dollar being very strong recently. Therefore Apple has increased the price a lot in local currency. Which makes customers angry since no one likes paying more than they did last year.
The price is local currency has increased a lot. Due to dollar being very strong recently. Therefore Apple has increased the price a lot in local currency. Which makes customers angry since no one likes paying more than they did last year.
Spin what? I stated facts, not opinion.
My usage of "double taxed" in reference to paying both sales tax *and* annual ad valorum tax for as long as you owned the vehicle.
Both still "double dip" in that tax is collected every time the vehicle changes hands; though through ad valorem rather than sales tax.
You may be angry, but aiming it at Apple is misplaced. Apple doesn’t control the value of your currency.
Apple bases their prices on US dollars. If the exchange rate ups it oveerseas, that's not on Apple, that's on the economy. I don't blame Apple for not eating the loss. Plus, of course, tax rates and VAT fluctuate prices, even within different parts of the same country.
Not really hard to understand.
Not really hard to understand.
Because people’s wages didn’t increase due to the currency conversion thus they are paying more.
Why should consumers care about things completely outside of their control? It’s ok to complain about prices increasing lol.
Not really, they are buying iPhones for their domestic market, they aren't importing American versions of the iPhone from the US.
If you go to Best Buy to pickup the latest Spider-Man movie on Blu-ray, you don't really consider that to be an "import" item, even though Sony is a Japanese company. It is an item for the domestic US market - regardless of where it was manufactured or where the corporate headquarters of the company is located.
Now if you go to Amazon.jp to buy that Spider-Man Blu-ray and have it shipped directly from Japan, than ya, you consider that an "import" item.
I’d rather Apple factor in that an iPhone should last 3 years without the need for European consumers to need to replace them. I don’t agree we should pay more just because Apple might have to lose a bit more money replacing unreliable devices. I never buy AppleCare because we have decent consumer laws and I own my own home with contents insurance already. I don’t need an additional Apple insurance policy. I love freedom of choice too which is why I support laws that protect us against greedy companies in general that might design to warranty time periods. We also have the choice to cover ourselves further too or buy fewer devices than we used to. The consumer isn’t the loser with the latter though.
iPhone 13 Pro was £949 - iPhone 14 Pro is £1099 here in the UK. Increase of £150 which is an increase of almost 16%.
iPhone 14 gone up by £70.
So there's your price hike.
iPhone 14 gone up by £70.
So there's your price hike.
Well, the thing is, when the € was nearly 30% stronger than the $, the iPhone wasn't nearly 30% cheaper.
Now that the Euro became weaker and nearly 1:1, the iPhone became more expensive, this makes them feel milked.
Furthermore, there is still this wanna - wanna - wanna" feeling they all get, but the iPhone glided into a painful pay zone, and this makes them pissed off because they "have" to buy it.
Now that the Euro became weaker and nearly 1:1, the iPhone became more expensive, this makes them feel milked.
Furthermore, there is still this wanna - wanna - wanna" feeling they all get, but the iPhone glided into a painful pay zone, and this makes them pissed off because they "have" to buy it.
You may not agree with it, but that is just how accounting in business works. Many things goes into the cost of the product, and warranties is one of them.
The longer the warranty, the higher the price. If consumers in your country had the option to pay less for the latest iPhone at the cost of a shorter warranty, I wonder how many would opt to, especially as everything else increases.
That is fine, but expect for that to be added to the cost of the product.
Easy Apple is all too happy to increase cost versus exchange rates, but barely reduces them. Nor will they do so unless they see a trail off in sales. Couple of years on a diet Apple will change its tune, but that's down to you...
If Apple only wants to serve & discount its home market. Fine plenty of other alternatives, just consumer grade electronics.
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If Apple only wants to serve & discount its home market. Fine plenty of other alternatives, just consumer grade electronics.
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We can agree to disagree then. We have always paid a bit more for iPhones but warranties have nothing to do with £150 being added onto the retail price of devices this year. If the prices remain high or increase further, the likes of Android will ultimately extend their already healthy dominance in a market Apple has made grounds in over the past 5 years.
People will keep buying iPhone, iPad, Watch rolled up with year on year on contracts and Apple will keep banking money Ultimately all will pay through the nose one way or the other if you want an Apple device.
Me I just do Mac's and when they make no sense I'll just move on. When they don't cut it financially...
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The OP is basically asking "why do Europeans complain about price increases when I, here, in the US pay the same price as before?"
I am typing this on an M1/8/8/8GB/1TB which I bought for €1499 in June 2021. You can't get 8/8 anymore, so the nearest comparable product is the slightly worse M1/8/7/8GB/1TB costing €1679. I bought an iPhone 12/128 GB in June 2021 for €789. Apple sells it for €859 now, a model that's two generations behind. I intend to keep both the laptop and the phone for at least three more years, because Apple effectively priced itself out of my range. My monthly earnings are not adjusted monthly depending on the USD vs EUR exchange rate.
So, yes, I think that apart from Ye Faithful – with Apple that might be, let's be generous, 50% of users – there might be quite a drop in EU/UK sales with the "updated" prices – of phones, laptops, food, energy, etc.
There was about a 10% increase in price in Sweden (Kronor not Euro).
Strong dollar, weak krona is why.
Strong dollar, weak krona is why.