Why do you have such lack of faith in apple?

[bluesman87]

I see all these angry people on these boards and i ponder why does everyone here not trust this revolutionary company to fully maximize its almost 3 year project? Has anyone thought that possibly the lack of information from either company and the seemingly false rumor after false rumor are being placed by apple so when time comes everyone is plainly blown away? This company has been working on this i believe even longer than the original iMac and first gen iPod. I really don't think that when the 29th rolls around, a lack of flash or what have you is going to be the final word. Maybe I'm just crazy, but didn't Steve also say that the phone market would not be in apple's best interests to enter into ?

Have a little faith people...

 

[Gonzlobo]

...Has anyone thought that possibly the lack of information from either company and the seemingly false rumor after false rumor are being placed by apple so when time comes everyone is plainly blown away?

Rumors are flying because these guys aren't releasing details. My second choice in phones has online pdf manuals, clear pricing for their data plans and flash animations.

I just want to know how much a data plan is going to cost for our (wifey and mine) new iphones. Is it too much to ask?

 

[cjandnw]

what, praytell is your 2nd choice in phones?

 

[pr5owner]

i guess hes pointing me out soley LOL

faith in apple? do i have to list all the flaws again?

battery, edge (you are forced into a data plan with a ****** phone that can only do edge speeds when phones 1.5 years ago have 3.6HSDPA? LOL), lack of SDK, etc, etc, etc

you know what the flaws are, if the phone isnt good on paper, what makes you think its going to be in real life?

IE if a phone doesnt have HSDPA, IT DOESNT HAVE HSDPA, theres no way around it, hence, LACKING a feature

 

[bluesman87]

no dude i am not pointing you out at all. Your post or whatever may have been the last thing i read before i typed this thread, but i was not singling you out. What i mean to say is that perhaps those official specs aren't 'official.' I remember reading recently that in a training manual or whatever that the product could very well be subject to change come release date. I am just being devil's advocate.

i guess hes pointing me out soley LOL

faith in apple? do i have to list all the flaws again?

battery, edge (you are forced into a data plan with a ****** phone that can only do edge speeds when phones 1.5 years ago have 3.6HSDPA? LOL), lack of SDK, etc, etc, etc

you know what the flaws are, if the phone isnt good on paper, what makes you think its going to be in real life?

IE if a phone doesnt have HSDPA, IT DOESNT HAVE HSDPA, theres no way around it, hence, LACKING a feature

 

[darwen]

I have faith it is going to be a great product and I am sick of trying to convince other Apple loyalists that this is a good product. They will come around. It might take a couple revisions but this will take off. I am getting mine at the start and will enjoy it for some time as other people complain about missing features.

 

[meagain]

faith in apple? do i have to list all the flaws again?

battery, edge (you are forced into a data plan with a ****** phone that can only do edge speeds when

What ABOUT the battery? What do you know about the battery? Just speculation that it's not removable? Or ???

 

[illegalprelude]

i have faith in Apple but i feel like its mising alot of things im looking tha its not offering me while cheaper phones are.

Example. Texing. Pics and Vids.
Ringtones.Setting whatever you want instead of downloading.

Those 2 right there are deal breakers for me while im with Verizon, i was considering getting the iPhone as a side phone with a Data plan but i doubt it anymore

 

[himansk]

i have faith in Apple but i feel like its mising alot of things im looking tha its not offering me while cheaper phones are.

OK so when u bought a mac, didnt u see that similar and/or better feature list can be found on a dell/HP PC also? why do the people in these forums buy a mac when there are cheaper alternatives available? I guess its because of the wow factor or the simpler user interface or the build quality or the support staff or the etc etc... of the macs or in this case the iPhone. this phone has lots of features that you might be ignoring like the multi touch and a wide screen ipod and a stable OS that are revolutionary in itself and not offered by the cheaper alternatives you are talking about. if somebody wants the features missing from the iphone then they are free to look elsewhere, its a matter of compromise for them. for the rest its a clear choice, either it fills their needs or it doesnt. apple cant please everybody, or they will end up offering 10 versions of the iphone (similar to vista editions) with different feature sets and confusing the heck out of the customers.

 

[darwen]

OK so when u bought a mac, didnt u see that similar and/or better feature list can be found on a dell/HP PC also?

Thank You! Excellent argument! I dont know why I didnt think of that!

 

[killerrobot]

I It might take a couple revisions but this will take off. I am getting mine at the start and will enjoy it for some time as other people complain about missing features.

Why buy it if it has missing features that you need or want? And it thanks to the people that will complain that it is missing features that during the next few revisions it will catch up to other phones in the market (I'm not talking about the touchpad - that is really awesome, but all the ones everyone keeps complaining about. For me in Europe, 3G and MMS) Hopefully those revisions will have been made by the 4th quarter release.

 

[Chaszmyr]

Palm said just before the iPhone was announced that they had been working on cell phones for years and were just now starting to get it right, so Apple wouldn't be able to just waltz into the phone market. They were wrong, but not completely wrong. Yes, Apple is a heck of a lot better than Palm, so they really were able to just waltz into the phone market even though Palm struggled a lot. However, it is a new market for them and they are inexperienced at building phones. They seem to have built a great first generation device, but that doesn't mean they got everything perfect. I'd be willing to bet when the 2nd generation iPhone rolls around it will have pretty much everything that any other phone on the market does, in addition to all of the stuff unique to the iPhone.

 

[Evangelion]

Well, the thing with iPhone is that it's success does not rest on Apple's shoulders (like success of any other Apple-product does). It rests on Apple's and AT&T's shoulders. Should either of the two fail at the task, iPhone would suffer. While I'm pretty confident that Apple with pass the test, AT&T is a frigging cell-phone operator. Those gues seem to constantly come up with ways to screw their customers over. Cell-phone business is basically only business in the world where the companies don't get their money from providing better service, they get their money from holding a gun to their customers head, and threatening to pull the trigger if they don't pay up.

That said, this whole thing is an excellent demonstration to the dysfunctionality of the US cell-phone business. How would it work in Finland? Well, you would buy the iPhone from retail (just like you would buy an iPod), and then you would shop around for the best possible cell-phone service for the device. Unhappy with the service? Switch to some other operator. But that's not how it works in USA. You have "subsidized" phones (that are not really subsidized at all) and multi-year contracts with zero possibility to switch operators.

 

[earnjam]

It's really very simply: If you don't like what it offers...don't buy it.

I don't know any other phone that had this much buildup prior to its release. If you want details, wait till it comes out, learn what they are, then decide if you want one. No one says you are required to buy it on Day 1 or you can't have one at all.

For someone like me, it has more features than I will probably use. I'm still using a plain old cell phone. I might as well be using the Zach Morris special. I text message every now and again, but that's about it. Having a full browser, video ipod, multi-touch screen, and email will be incredible.

I'm not fretting over lack of flash support or slow download speeds (I didnt have ANY download speed before). Plus, the great thing about the iPhone is that it runs a version of OS X. It may not look much like the desktop and finder we know and love, but the idea that it is based on the same code means that we can get new features through software updates. I would bet that flash support is one of those things that will come. In the meantime, I'll be happy playing with the multi-touch display and the other great features we already know are included.

 

[iBlue]

because we don't all suffer from chronic fanboyism.
I'll give credit when it's due. All the secrecy and little details I have heard (thus far) aren't really blowing up my dress with excitement, so I'll just keep my knickers on until I see the goods myself. It's anyone's guess up till that point.

 

[surferfromuk]

It's the nature of the beast I'm afraid.

Apple is, ( arguably), the most cutting edge tech company in the world and posters and visitors on this site are the 'cutting edge' of that cutting edge and as such have extraordinarily high expectations. They represent the most extreme, dedicated, knowledgable and devoted technology users on the planet and as such tolerate failure or the prospect of it very badly.

For good or for bad they represent only about 1% of Apple's users.

What this means is when 'ordinary folk' visit an AT&T or Apple shop and 'see an iphone' they will be experiencing it for the first time and without all the background information that's been debated about on here. In fact most people buying an iphone won't know what Safari, Flash and perhaps even what Google Maps are.

 

[Gonzlobo]

It's the nature of the beast I'm afraid.

Apple is, ( arguably), the most cutting edge tech company in the world and posters and visitors on this site are the 'cutting edge' of that cutting edge and as such have extraordinarily high expectations. They represent the most extreme, dedicated, knowledgable and devoted technology users on the planet and as such tolerate failure or the prospect of it very badly.

For good or for bad they represent only about 1% of Apple's users.

What this means is when 'ordinary folk' visit an AT&T or Apple shop and 'see an iphone' they will be experiencing it for the first time and without all the background information that's been debated about on here. In fact most people buying an iphone won't know what Safari, Flash and perhaps even what Google Maps are.

So, Apple always teases their customers into a lather. Doesn't sound like I'll expand my possessions after the iphone (not that I ever intended to buy a mac...).

 

[DavidLeblond]

Ok, from a developers perspective...

Heh I just have to mention, while I for the most part enjoyed the Keynote, I had to chuckle when he said that their idea for developing apps for the iPhone was "sweet." Basically you have a device that supports the new Core Animation, multi touch, and an assortment of other goodies... and your idea of third party software support is "an AJAX website." That deserved not even a mention in a Steve Jobs Keynote.

Pretty freakin' disappointed .

 

[applehero]

I, for one, think AT&T has an excellent opportunity to jump forward in the market with the iPhone as it relates to what they're doing with Uverse. They have been pushing very hard to link everything together via the internet and with iPhone having full browser functionality with Safari, this will allow Uverse subscribers to access the complete online functionality of Uverse through iPhone. Of course AT&T can't drop the ball here by out pricing all things iPhone, but I don't see that happening. AT&T (largest telco in the country) is fully aware that mobile technology is taking over and this partnership with Apple is going to give them the opportunity to take it to the next level. AT&T has struggled with keeping their network technology up to par with, let's say Sprint and Verizon on the data front, but that's what happens when you have the largest network in the country.

I have every bit of confidence in Apple and AT&T to dominate the market with this opportunity. AT&T wants to succeed just as much, if not more than Apple here. The first release may not be perfect, but it's a heck of a foundation to build from.

 

[iShak]

look at the other side as well ..

iPhone isn't out yet, none of you have ever touched one, nor has the devs, yet you want to convince the doubt holders that its brilliant and they are keeping reservations for no reason at all? how do you back this? at the moment (I am an apple fan just for the record but a very honest apple fan and not a fanboy) iPhone has impressed me over its tochscreen, ipod functionality and that apple logo on the bacl, I am very worried about on-screen keyboard, lack of flash support (windows media support? mms? real media? rtsp?) and very trivial apps made in web 2.0 and AJAX ..

the battery, lack of 3G support is nothing to worry about, you dont run out battery life every week, nor would waiting extra 3 seconds to check your email will make any lasting . you-know-what ..

criticism is important but when you've noticed so much 'lack of faith' on this board you should also speak for the absolutely horrible fanboy'ism that has plagued this board in recent months ..


iPhone is an experiment, almost a risk, apple is jumping in with the big boys this time .. so hopeful yet a little scared that maybe iPhone is not enough to stir this huge market as it stands.

[EDIT] ^ and by that I mean, iPhone might sell to the apple fans and those who are using ipods, but how do you plan to attract people who have never used mac/ipod before? non-apple fans? huge hugee market share? they have been using c+ apps, J2ME apps, symbian apps even linux on their phones, over EDGE or 3G for years and years? how will we get them?! selling couple of million iPhones to the fanboy's and a few to curious folks with big cards won't break the market

 

[Evangelion]

Ok, from a developers perspective...

Heh I just have to mention, while I for the most part enjoyed the Keynote, I had to chuckle when he said that their idea for developing apps for the iPhone was "sweet." Basically you have a device that supports the new Core Animation, multi touch, and an assortment of other goodies... and your idea of third party software support is "an AJAX website." That deserved not even a mention in a Steve Jobs Keynote.

Pretty freakin' disappointed .

How about offline-AJAX? It could actually work. And there's quite a bit you could do here. Hell, Google Apps, Google Maps etc., they are all basically "websites".

Apple might be on to something here. No, iPhone-apps would not be traditional apps like we have had so far. But what about thinking outside the box here? Think Google Gears.

 

[yg17]

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I, for one, think AT&T has an excellent opportunity to jump forward in the market with the iPhone as it relates to what they're doing with Uverse. They have been pushing very hard to link everything together via the internet and with iPhone having full browser functionality with Safari, this will allow Uverse subscribers to access the complete online functionality of Uverse through iPhone. Of course AT&T can't drop the ball here by out pricing all things iPhone, but I don't see that happening. AT&T (largest telco in the country) is fully aware that mobile technology is taking over and this partnership with Apple is going to give them the opportunity to take it to the next level. AT&T has struggled with keeping their network technology up to par with, let's say Sprint and Verizon on the data front, but that's what happens when you have the largest network in the country.

I have every bit of confidence in Apple and AT&T to dominate the market with this opportunity. AT&T wants to succeed just as much, if not more than Apple here. The first release may not be perfect, but it's a heck of a foundation to build from.

its not full browser functionality w/out flash and java...

 

[applehero]

So everyone keeps saying, but until I have one in hand and start using it, I'm not dismissing anything. While they say it is not supported, they still have 2 weeks before release, anything can happen.

 

[wongulous]

Think how much the iPod sucked when it first came out. Mono screen, text-only, MP3-only, NO features except for music playing, limited playlist abilities, horrible push buttons, moving parts, Mac-only, FireWire 400-only, $400. Now look, several years later, at a product with almost twice the internal development time PLUS all of the learning and experience from the #1 marketshare MP3 player and the world's best consumer hardware maker... sure, the first generation is not going to be everything to everyone, but it is ONE product, the FIRST iteration, and a LOT more complicated than a music player alone.

Personally, I think it'll never convert some Blackberry and Treo users, but if they would simply make a small effort to change their habits, it could free them from what is simply a subpar experience in a world of unusually awful wireless phone/PDA experiences.

 

[DavidLeblond]

How about offline-AJAX? It could actually work. And there's quite a bit you could do here. Hell, Google Apps, Google Maps etc., they are all basically "websites".

Apple might be on to something here. No, iPhone-apps would not be traditional apps like we have had so far. But what about thinking outside the box here? Think Google Gears.

Offline AJAX (otherwise known as Dashboard widgets) would be better... but thats not what Steve Jobs was offering in the keynote. So thats a non-issue. Yes it could "actually work" if thats what Apple was offering. They aren't.

And I'm not saying that AJAX websites are useless. I'm saying this did NOT deserve a mention in the keynote, and it is especially not "sweet" as Jobs said it is.

Google Gears requires you to download an application (read Application not "website") so I'm not really sure where you are going there.