Why do you have such lack of faith in apple?

[pr5owner]

OK so when u bought a mac, didnt u see that similar and/or better feature list can be found on a dell/HP PC also? why do the people in these forums buy a mac when there are cheaper alternatives available? I guess its because of the wow factor or the simpler user interface or the build quality or the support staff or the etc etc... of the macs or in this case the iPhone. this phone has lots of features that you might be ignoring like the multi touch and a wide screen ipod and a stable OS that are revolutionary in itself and not offered by the cheaper alternatives you are talking about. if somebody wants the features missing from the iphone then they are free to look elsewhere, its a matter of compromise for them. for the rest its a clear choice, either it fills their needs or it doesnt. apple cant please everybody, or they will end up offering 10 versions of the iphone (similar to vista editions) with different feature sets and confusing the heck out of the customers.

dell, hp/compaq? LMFAO all their stuff is garbage, if you want a REAL laptop, you get an Asus or you get a barebones laptop and build you own with the parts YOU want. (or get a Sager)
PC? why the hell would you let some mexican assemble your PC? you build it yourself!!!

the iphone is not wide screen, its not even close to wide screen, its a 3:2 ratio, widescreen is 16:10/16:9, movies are like 2.35:1

apple the most cutting edge? where the hell did you hear this from? how long did it take them to integrate C2D cpu's into their laptops?

apple is still using ****** BT2.0 standards, #1, BT 2.1EDR is out, #2 BT 3.0 UWB will be out later this year, yet they are still manufacturing NEW products with BT2.0?

the edge thing you already know about, its almost 3 generations behind since 3.6Mbit HSDPA is the standard in highspeed right now, my TyTN had support for it 1.5 years ago. 14.4Mbit HSDPA is going to appear VERY soon over seas.

there is nothing cutting edge about apple, they dont even manufacture their own products let alone develop NEW technology (the multi touch was done by another company), apple is mostly just software with everything else made by othe people.

 

[meagain]

Am I the only one around here anymore that thinks the iPhone is awesome? Sounds like there'll be more to go around for those that do since so many here seem to think it s*cks and apparently won't be buying one.

 

[Island Dog]

Have a little faith people...

Oh please. The iPhone might be a hit, it might not. With it's lack of features and its deal with AT&T I am a bit wary.

What's most annoying is how people are just "assuming" the iPhone will be the next "wonder" just because it's made by Apple.

 

[kevinliu4]

I think the product itself is very cool and extremely desirable.

But I think it is a huge mistake to exclude Asia in the launch. You are shutting the door on people who switch their cell phones on average every 6 months, are crazy about gadgets (they will buy it as long as it's the latest thing and looks cool) and are not tied down by service contracts giving them the freedom to choose whatever phone they want.

By releasing the iphone to Asia a year later, it will be considered 'old' and the technology (unless it is upgraded at that time), will be outdated and surpassed by something greater. Of course people will still buy it, but Apple have also lost a lot of potential buyers.

 

[SRSound]

I think it needs to be said that people on this forum arent expecting an incredible device just because it's from apple; they are expecting an incredible device because of the somewhat insane hype apple has built around it! By announcing the iphone as a "revolutionary" phone and a "breakthrough" internet communications device, they have set up the expectations that the iPhone WILL be more advanced than smart phones and PDAs already on the market. Charging $600 for it also leads us to believe we are getting something far superior. So, while it may be more user friendly and have a far better interface than any other phone or PDA out there, their marketing and price point have essentially created a very high (false) expectation for us in terms of what it is TECHNICALLY capable of.

Now, if Apple had been less aggressive with its marketing claims and priced the phone around 300, all of this would be a non-issue!

I, for one, love apple and its products. But if I'm expected to pay $600 for a cutting-edge device that will revolutionize my communication, i want it to ACTUALLY revolutionize my communications!

 

[kamiboy]

iPhone is not a geek phone that you can mod, write and install hundreds of useless software on and for. I say useless because mostly only tech geeks find and install apps to meet their nieche needs on their devices and are such offended when a closed system is released. Geeks and their niche needs for special software and mods on every electronic they own only represent a fraction of the ordinary phone buying populace. It might be hard to understand that there is a whole world of consumers beyond the tech walls of the various internet forums.

The iPhone is going to be a mass consumer device, not a linux phone designed for people who think playing with tech is cool. The need of the few will not outweigh the needs of the many in this particular case. Since the iPhone is designed to be a i(nternet)phone and so is expected to be always connected then a great deal of concerns would be raised if it also was open, which would potentially mean that it would be vulnerable to viruses and exploits via the web.

The iPhone is a very cool phone but lets face it, if you are a power user with a long list of unusual things you want to do on your phone via specialised software then you are out of luck, because the iPhone is not for you. Stick to phones designed with you in mind like high-end S60 and WM phones.

Apple will no doubt update the software on the iPhone in the future with new apps and functionalities that they will write themselves, and know the average user will want and find useful. The iPhone is a sleek, easy to use and cool phone for the average mass market users, not the newest toy that tech users can pick up, play with for a few months then loose interest with as they move on to the next cool new gadget.

 

[himansk]

dell, hp/compaq? LMFAO all their stuff is garbage, if you want a REAL laptop, you get an Asus or you get a barebones laptop and build you own with the parts YOU want. (or get a Sager)
PC? why the hell would you let some mexican assemble your PC? you build it yourself!!!

the iphone is not wide screen, its not even close to wide screen, its a 3:2 ratio, widescreen is 16:10/16:9, movies are like 2.35:1

apple the most cutting edge? where the hell did you hear this from? how long did it take them to integrate C2D cpu's into their laptops?

apple is still using ****** BT2.0 standards, #1, BT 2.1EDR is out, #2 BT 3.0 UWB will be out later this year, yet they are still manufacturing NEW products with BT2.0?

the edge thing you already know about, its almost 3 generations behind since 3.6Mbit HSDPA is the standard in highspeed right now, my TyTN had support for it 1.5 years ago. 14.4Mbit HSDPA is going to appear VERY soon over seas.

there is nothing cutting edge about apple, they dont even manufacture their own products let alone develop NEW technology (the multi touch was done by another company), apple is mostly just software with everything else made by othe people.

The point i was making was the fact that there are always cheaper alternatives to apple products with better specs, if somebody wants to go for the specs then they can always do so for both computers and for the phones. apple products have different features that appeal to a lot of customers, simpler to use than the other alternatives, better look and feel, integration to other products, etc. the product range offered by apple is far simpler than what others offer, for eg they have a total of 5 laptop models offered to the customer, customers who would rather not go and configure their own computers will be happy with the options available. since apple offers only a few options, the power users can either buy one of the options or choose to go to a company that lets them configure the computers with features they need. if the features offered by apple is not your cup of tea, then go to the other alternatives (dell/hp were just the first things to come to mind).

ok the iphone is not exactly widescreen, but its almost wide screen, or at least wider screen than the normal ipods.

about the other points you made, i never said apple was cutting edge, i was also disappointed with the delay in the releasing a C2D model, as well as a SR model recently, and in todays world hardly any major company manufactures/develops all the components themselves, components/companies are bought and sold frequently, coverflow was acquired like that, OSX is built with experience from the neXT platform which was not apple, so its hardly an argument. all i said was that they offer new revolutionary things that are not common in at least the main stream products, eg- camera built in the laptops (copied by dell within a week), 1 inch thin laptops, magsafe on laptops, multi touch in iphone (how many other phones are available with this before apple's announcement?). i agree apple is slow sometimes but they are also revolutionary in their own way, most of the items listed above are taken for granted today, how many discussions today talk about the multi touch displays, but there are numerous talking about the features absent from the iphone. i have already agreed that there are some important/not so important features missing from the iphone (at least until we know the full feature list on release date), and if somebody is not happy with what is offered then they can buy other alternative phones from the established companies in the phone market. you cant please everybody, there will always be complainers.

 

[killerrobot]

all i said was that they offer new revolutionary things that are not common in at least the main stream products, eg- camera built in the laptops (copied by dell within a week), 1 inch thin laptops, magsafe on laptops,

Wasn't the IBM thinkpad the first 1 inch thick laptop back in the 90's? But they didn't have the rounded corners of course that the macbooks have now which is where the real style and cutting edge design comes from.

Sorry to be facetious, but just because Apple has good taste in design doesn't make it the leader in the tech world. Also, announcing the multi-touch screen (in January) is not the same as being the first one to put out on the Market. The HTC TOUCH also comes out at the end of the month. Not that I'm pro for either one. I'm pro buying something because you need it, and not because the marketing hype tells you you need it.

 

[chicagdan]

I, for one, love apple and its products. But if I'm expected to pay $600 for a cutting-edge device that will revolutionize my communication, i want it to ACTUALLY revolutionize my communications!

I don't buy the hype that lines will be around the block for the iPhone. I'll believe it when I see it. From reading apple fan websites and talking to people who I think would be prime buyers, I've come across surprisingly few people who say that they are buying on day one. Just because someone gives their e-mail address to AT&T wanting more information doesn't mean they'll buy ... it means they want more information and Apple has been annoyingly mute about this product, other than bullsh-t TV ads that lie about the Internet features (it will only work that well with wi-fi and who the hell's going to surf the web on an iPhone at home ... or bring it to a coffee shop instead of a MacBook?

 

[Blue Velvet]

Because everyone on this board is an outstanding polymath and ultra-genius, far surpassing Leonardo da Vinci in their versatility, talent and education.

Without breaking sweat, each one of us is simultaneously a CEO of a multi-billion dollar company, a beknighted and awarded industrial designer, a programmer of supernatural ability, an engineer of incredible scope and vision, and also an incredibly talented marketing executive of award-winning global marketing campaigns.

We also have the ability to penetrate the minds of millions of consumers while accurately predicting years worth in advance of industry-wide conditions and trends at the snap of our fingers.

We also share the humanity of Nelson Mandela, the taste of Karl Lagerfeld and the modesty of Donald Trump.

 

[TenaciousPZ]

I see all these angry people on these boards and i ponder why does everyone here not trust this revolutionary company to fully maximize its almost 3 year project? Has anyone thought that possibly the lack of information from either company and the seemingly false rumor after false rumor are being placed by apple so when time comes everyone is plainly blown away? This company has been working on this i believe even longer than the original iMac and first gen iPod. I really don't think that when the 29th rolls around, a lack of flash or what have you is going to be the final word. Maybe I'm just crazy, but didn't Steve also say that the phone market would not be in apple's best interests to enter into ?

Have a little faith people...

are you out of your mind?

Do you think Apple does things for people out of the goodness of their heart? Grow up.

The lack of details surrounding certain aspects MEANS the details themselves lack anything that can positively contribute to interest in the product.

There willbe many revelations on the 29th and none will be good at all, sorry to say. Everything that is good about the phone is already being stuffed down our throats to make us want one. The trick to marketing is that on the day of, we won't care about the details as much because our WANT will exceed our rationale.

I repeat, grow up.

 

[quagmire]

i have faith in Apple but i feel like its mising alot of things im looking tha its not offering me while cheaper phones are.

Example. Texing. Pics and Vids.
Ringtones.Setting whatever you want instead of downloading.

The iPhone has texting. http://www.apple.com/iphone/ See the SMS button with text on the bottom on top left. How do you know that the only way you will get ring tones is to download them? Show me where Jobs said, " Only way to put ring tones is downloading them," ?

 

[Eric1285]

I have complete faith in the fact that Apple is a business, and their number one priority is to make money. I won't be surprised if a second generation iPhone is released by the end of the year or early next year with all the features that the current one is lacking (3G, MMS, 3rd party application support, etc). Apple knows its customer base *very* well, and they know exactly how to exploit them to get the most money out of their pockets.

 

[Gonzlobo]

What's most annoying is how people are just "assuming" the iPhone will be the next "wonder" just because it's made by Apple.

I'm not buying the iphone because it's an apple (in fact I could be considered anti-apple since I'm not a fan of closed-os, closed hardware systems. I call it a socialist computer).

I like the iphone because it seems to be pretty cool. At least it is when stevo demos it.

 

[TenaciousPZ]

I have complete faith in the fact that Apple is a business, and their number one priority is to make money. I won't be surprised if a second generation iPhone is released by the end of the year or early next year with all the features that the current one is lacking (3G, MMS, 3rd party application support, etc). Apple knows its customer base *very* well, and they know exactly how to exploit them to get the most money out of their pockets.

This is actually the exact business model for every company in existence with the goal of making lots of money.

Most children are not aware of this, or anything close to this concept, yet.

 

[joeconvert]

Thank You! Excellent argument! I dont know why I didnt think of that!

B/c it is a horrible argument.

To equalize the terms it would be like current Apple laptops only having 802.11b, no firewire,a non-upgradeable fixed amount of memory and would only allow you to run iLife(B/c it came pre-installed - all other Apps would have to run in Safari).

Certain things like GPS will be a non-issue if they at least let you use a bluetooth module.

 

[feelthefire]

iPhone is not a geek phone that you can mod, write and install hundreds of useless software on and for. I say useless because mostly only tech geeks find and install apps to meet their nieche needs on their devices and are such offended when a closed system is released. Geeks and their niche needs for special software and mods on every electronic they own only represent a fraction of the ordinary phone buying populace. It might be hard to understand that there is a whole world of consumers beyond the tech walls of the various internet forums.

The iPhone is going to be a mass consumer device, not a linux phone designed for people who think playing with tech is cool. The need of the few will not outweigh the needs of the many in this particular case. Since the iPhone is designed to be a i(nternet)phone and so is expected to be always connected then a great deal of concerns would be raised if it also was open, which would potentially mean that it would be vulnerable to viruses and exploits via the web.

The iPhone is a very cool phone but lets face it, if you are a power user with a long list of unusual things you want to do on your phone via specialised software then you are out of luck, because the iPhone is not for you. Stick to phones designed with you in mind like high-end S60 and WM phones.

Apple will no doubt update the software on the iPhone in the future with new apps and functionalities that they will write themselves, and know the average user will want and find useful. The iPhone is a sleek, easy to use and cool phone for the average mass market users, not the newest toy that tech users can pick up, play with for a few months then loose interest with as they move on to the next cool new gadget.

Actually what's great about the blackberry is there are a jillion free or low cost apps that allow you to customize the phone to make your everyday tasks easier. I was able to add an IM client that manages multiple chat clients in one window, add an app for gmail so I can check an account I don't want pushed to the phone, add a "visual voicemail" app so I can read my voicemails as text and sort through them to listen without using airtime, and I didn't pay for any of them. The apps were super easy to install and now I have a phone that better meets my needs.

not just tech geeks do this. I know a lot of blackberry users who have custom applications on their devices.

 

[chicagdan]

Because everyone on this board is an outstanding polymath and ultra-genius, far surpassing Leonardo da Vinci in their versatility, talent and education.

Without breaking sweat, each one of us is simultaneously a CEO of a multi-billion dollar company, a beknighted and awarded industrial designer, a programmer of supernatural ability, an engineer of incredible scope and vision, and also an incredibly talented marketing executive of award-winning global marketing campaigns.

We also have the ability to penetrate the minds of millions of consumers while accurately predicting years worth in advance of industry-wide conditions and trends at the snap of our fingers.

We also share the humanity of Nelson Mandela, the taste of Karl Lagerfeld and the modesty of Donald Trump.

Nice rant, but the true idiocy of thread begins with the headline. Lack of faith in Apple? I'm sorry, but I left the Catholic Church when I was 15 ... I didn't know I was required to follow the Catechism of Infinite Loop when I buy consumer products. Refresh my memory, is it a mortal or venial sin to not have an AppleTV?

 

[yg17]

Wirelessly posted (HTCP4350-Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; PPC))

I think the most important part of being a devoted fan of apple (or anything for that matter) is being able to admit that they aren't perfect and have made a mistake. theres a difference between being a fan and being a fanboy