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No need for a secondary validation if the new Ultras are monolithic Hidra chips, unless Apple is stitching two together for an Extreme variant...! ;^p

That's speculation at this point; based on the past 2 ultras, that would be the reasoning as to why they were late.

However -
If they're doing a monolithic die for the next one - even more reason its taking time:

  • new design, not re-using the max die - no max production is any use for ultras, they need to start a new production line.
  • absolutely massive die (max is already large) = lower yields, will take longer to get an amount to launch with and likely more expensive.
I suspect they are not doing a monolithic die, but they may be doing a different thing for the ultras - maybe like AMD are doing with thread ripper - a control die, and multiple GPU/CPU dies on the same package. AMD did similar to what apple did with m1/M2 Ultra (joining smaller dies together effectively) before moving to a seperate control die.

Doing it all monolithic will be far to expensive and less ability to scale to high core counts and huge ram capacities - which is really what the first two ultras are missing: ram capacities above 256 GB. The intel pro can do 1.5TB, and until Apple can scale to that level they're going to be limited on what ML models, etc. they can fit into their cloud servers - which run on M series parts.

Maybe the cloud server parts used internally will give apple enough economy of scale to justify building monolithic ultras but I just don't buy it. Intel and AMD are both doing tiles or chiplets; Apple doesn't have any fundamental magic technology to avoid the need to do so to solve the exact same problems with scaling as intel and AMD.

Big dies just don't make sense from a cost/performance perspective beyond a certain point unless your budget is unlimited and your required number of units is low.
 
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Timing is money. It would make no sense for Apple to produce and release the M4 Studio at a moment that the M4 Mini is selling like hot cakes. The M4 Mini and iPhone have been heavily advertised, not only by Apple, but on YouTube by users and others who benefit from what they show and tell the viewers. As any other company, Apple is not going to care but to increase its margins. Nothing else.

Meanwhile, if you have a Mac Studio and want to replace the SSD with one that has a lot more room, here is an option:
 
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Timing is money. It would make no sense for Apple to produce and release the M4 Studio at a moment that the M4 Mini is selling like hot cakes. The M4 Mini and iPhone have been heavily advertised, not only by Apple, but on YouTube by users and others who benefit from what they show and tell the viewers. As any other company, Apple is not going to care but to increase its margins. Nothing else.
I think there is a very minuscule overlap between Mac mini buyers and Mac Studio buyers.

At the $1,999 price point the Mac mini just doesn't make sense when configuring it as the base Mac Studio. It will have less connectivity, no 10Gbps ethernet, terrible cooling, higher noise levels, worse GPU and media engine performance (to name some).

The only data point I have access to seems to support this with the Mac mini with the M4 outselling the M4 Pro version by over 4 to 1 (1.71% vs 0.41%) according to the Steam Hardware Survey for November 2024.
 
I think there is a very minuscule overlap between Mac mini buyers and Mac Studio buyers.

At the $1,999 price point the Mac mini just doesn't make sense when configuring it as the base Mac Studio. It will have less connectivity, no 10Gbps ethernet, terrible cooling, higher noise levels, worse GPU and media engine performance (to name some).

The only data point I have access to seems to support this with the Mac mini with the M4 outselling the M4 Pro version by over 4 to 1 (1.71% vs 0.41%) according to the Steam Hardware Survey for November 2024.
Yes, I imagine that the small case of the M4 Mini would make the fans work harder.
 
The simple answer is that 'pro' users that use mac pros and mac studios are the tiniest fraction of sales within the already small part of all 'computer' sales at apple. Also, these users also tend to be pretty conservative on the upgrade cycles as well.
 
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Honestly, Apple has a 'Mac habit' of introducing new product lines and not knowing what to do with them, which goes back to the early 1990s.

Historically, some of the blame can be attributed to Motorola/IBM/Intel and their own roadmaps, but this is clearly no longer the case. Apple's destiny is largely in its own hands... and the production line capacities.

The Studio was introduced because enough people asked for it - a Mac Pro without internal expansion. Great! But I believe Apple has designed itself into a corner almost unintentionally, by designing base-line chips that are now so capable.

Years ago it was always the case that you needed 'powerful' (non-consumer) hardware to achieve specific tasks, such as video rendering, audio production, coding, even graphic design to a certain extent. I remember the days of an iMac G3 crawling with just Photoshop!

But now, the M-series chips have reached a point with M4 that they will handle virtually everything you can throw at them within a reasonable amount of time or little compromise. We're doing things now like 4K video editing, ray-tracing, high-end music production, coding, hi-res photography and graphics art which years ago would have been unthinkable from a base-line chip. The new Mini is, for all intents and purposes, the Mac that Apple has always dreamt of.

So Apple's problem is that it has become more difficult to upsell customers, because the CPU and GPU requirements of many professional workflows have reached a point of tolerance; that is, you no longer need to get up and make a cup of coffee whilst you hear an aircraft taking off. The technology has been democratised to smaller, thinner, lower cost devices. Workflows of greater demand - 8K video/spatial, science, 3D - are a tiny market for Apple, and most are on Windows.

The Mac Pro is becoming more and more of a niche since internal expansion and modularity have become less of a necessity. Yes, it's still required for some workflows, but external solutions have improved in pricing, speed, and choice since the days of the trashcan Mac Pro, where this would more of a genuine concern. Apple made the mistake of replacing their tower rather than adding the trashcan to the line-up, and it was this single move (plus, poor software updates) that may have finished off many of Apple's most loyal pro-hardware customers.

The Studio fulfils the promise of the trashcan, albeit with a less ambitious aesthetic, and was released at the correct time. It takes Apple's most powerful hardware and puts it into a supremely compact form-factor, which is what people were asking for for years.

Yet there is a new problem, which is that because Apple want's the device to be available in both Max and Ultra configs, they have to wait for the Ultra to be released even if the Max is ready. This is a problem of their creation.

Where do they go from here? Typically, Apple just lets products linger until the figure out what the market wants, which is quite bone-headed as they don't adjust the pricing over time accordingly.

I'll take a bet that we'll see one last Mac Pro design before the tower is retired. Their priority is reducing costs, so the device would be shrunk down to 4-6 PCIE slots - perhaps one being double-height - and with a smaller power supply. The lattice 'honeycomb' ventilation, clearly a costly manufacturing process, would be replaced with the simpler cheese grater design as per the Mac Pro 5,1 (or the rear design of the Studio). It could literally be a smaller version of 5,1.

As for the Studio, it exists purely because the Mini is too small to cool a Max/Ultra chip, so I see it existing for the foreseeable future with a redesign soon to shrink it a little.

But in short, I don't believe Apple has any hate towards its professional users, I just feel that they've not been the priority due to a multitude of misreadings, including a lack of investment in the actual driver (their professional software), a lack of co-operation with outside parties who supply professional hardware and software, and the continued importance of growing Mac marketshare at the entry-level.
 
The Studio was introduced because enough people asked for it - a Mac Pro without internal expansion. Great! But I believe Apple has designed itself into a corner almost unintentionally, by designing base-line chips that are now so capable.

Actually (and I was one of them), I think what people were actually asking for was a slightly bigger box Mac than the mini without the same level of expansion as a Mac Pro. We didn't want no expansion, we just wanted maybe one slot or a couple of slots for a GPU upgrade, and a consumer grade CPU.

Sure, that's all gone out the window with Apple Silicon, but I really don't think the studio was what many people were actually asking for. I think the studio is purely Apple being apple and trying to (artificially) "prove" that you don't want or need a Mac Pro (irrespective of reality) because you can get a studio which does almost the exact same things in much less space and cost).

For the three of four users who actually need a machine with >256 GB of RAM, Apple probably are willing to let you go, or sit on the Intel Mac Pro until their SOC capacity catches up on the studio.
 
Actually (and I was one of them), I think what people were actually asking for was a slightly bigger box Mac than the mini without the same level of expansion as a Mac Pro. We didn't want no expansion, we just wanted maybe one slot or a couple of slots for a GPU upgrade, and a consumer grade CPU.

Sounds like the mythical xMac...
 
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