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I guess "power user" can be interpreted different ways by different people. I find it very powerful to be able to use less steps with my iPP in my real estate work. Using a device that takes less steps to accomplish the work I need to do is not only powerful but also enlightening. I consider myself a power user in my business and the work I do, as I do a ton of work daily, and the iPP just makes that work quicker and more fun. The fact that it's a different user experience(OS) and hardware interface (tablet computer) that a lot of people haven't discovered how to use to its full potential yet, doesn't negate the fact that to many people it is a powerful device that can make a powerful difference in their daily lives and the way they do their work. To me the laptop was cumbersome for my work and took power away from me that the iPad gave back.
Semantically, there is a very clear-cut definition, but people tend to get semantics and semiotics mixed up nowadays.

The amount of raw compute power that now lives at our fingertips baffles me and truthfully, I love working and taking notes on my iPad, I'm simply not blessed with a workflow that could be executed *solely* on a tablet. Neither will I ever expect it to be.

The OP's initial line of inquiry pertained to the allegedly lackluster quality of ipadOS (which is debatable) and the in-existence of a sizable amount of "good" third-party software (which is down-right wrong) adding the inane notion of simply porting macOS.

This is an age old debate that will always pit people willing and able to make the sacrifices needed to run their work on an offshot of a very restrictive smartphone operating system and people that will happily tailor their use of the device to what it can do for them within reason and without compromising their core (and mostly incompatible) workflow.

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Although I still have problems with various aspects of iPadOS, one thing that I can't really sell myself into is lack of multi-tasking.
It makes ipad sucks so much so that I feel really overpaying for ipad pro even though I'm accustomed to apple tax already.
 
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Although I still have problems with various aspects of iPadOS, one thing that I can't really sell myself into is lack of multi-tasking.
It makes ipad sucks so much so that I feel really overpaying for ipad pro even though I'm accustomed to apple tax already.
The more they improve multitasking (for instance with windowed apps or even more with external display support / desktop mode) the more the limited amount of RAM of most iPads still supported will be a serious issue. I think that if we see a serious cut in support of previous models with iPadOS 16 (mini 4, air 2, iPad 5 and maybe even first gen pro) it's a sign that Apple is ready to step things up. Also they will certainly need to limit the the features to for less powerful models.
There are currently even rumors of a new windowed system that would be exclusive for M1 devices (because of 8GB RAM).
 
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The more they improve multitasking (for instance with windowed apps or even more with external display support / desktop mode) the more the limited amount of RAM of most iPads still supported will be a serious issue. I think that if we see a serious cut in support of previous models with iPadOS 16 (mini 4, air 2, iPad 5 and maybe even first gen pro) it's a sign that Apple is ready to step things up. Also they will certainly need to limit the the features to for less powerful models.
There are currently even rumors of a new windowed system that would be exclusive for M1 devices (because of 8GB RAM).
Interesting - do you have a source for this rumour ?

I’m sure there would be a lot of complaining if this happens from older iPad (pro) users but personally I think they just need to make that step
 
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Yes https://www.imore.com/rumor-claims-apple-working-new-ipad-app-window-management-feature

I saw this published is several (non English) websites too with some angry comments by 2018/2020 iPad pro users.

The 4GB RAM iPads can barely handle multitasking in iOS 15. Dunno how they expect it to deal with even greater multitasking while demanding apps be allowed to use more RAM.

The DTK Mac mini running macOS may have featured the A12Z but it also had a couple major features the 2018 and 2020 Pro didn't have: 16GB RAM and swap file.
 

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The 4GB RAM iPads can barely handle multitasking in iOS 15. Dunno how they expect it to deal with even greater multitasking while demanding apps be allowed to use more RAM.

The DTK Mac mini running macOS may have featured the A12Z but it also had a couple major features the 2018 and 2020 Pro didn't have: 16GB RAM and swap file.
Yeah, people tend to say iPads don't need as much RAM as laptops, but that's just because they cannot do as much. As soon as you make them (almost) as capable as laptops they start to need just as much (and even more actually if you don't allow them to swap to disk).
 

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As others have said, there is really no "iPad Pro software", just iPad software, and I take exception to the blanket statement that it all sucks. It doesn't. LumaTouch, Serif, and many others are making professional caliber software for the iPad, all optimized for touch-first, large screen UIs. I've done some pretty complicated creative projects on iPad Pro using those apps and they're all incredibly powerful and gave me great results. No Mac needed. Things have come a long way on iPadOS.

I think what you're really wondering is why isn't there more of that, and why aren't some of the ones you like on Mac on iPad yet? I believe when you look at the entire pie of Mac/PC/tablet/phone users throughout the world, only a small sliver of them need professional-grade, power hungry software. Of that small sliver, only a small sliver of that wants to try to use that software on a tablet. (None of this is based on hard numbers, just my own assumptions, which could be dead wrong.)

It's hard for any software developer to justify costs of bringing a full blown pro app to a market that small without making it a subscription model or selling it for peanuts. Let's also not forget that until recently, the iPad has also been severely RAM limited for apps like that.
 

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The more they improve multitasking (for instance with windowed apps or even more with external display support / desktop mode) the more the limited amount of RAM of most iPads still supported will be a serious issue. I think that if we see a serious cut in support of previous models with iPadOS 16 (mini 4, air 2, iPad 5 and maybe even first gen pro) it's a sign that Apple is ready to step things up. Also they will certainly need to limit the the features to for less powerful models.
There are currently even rumors of a new windowed system that would be exclusive for M1 devices (because of 8GB RAM).
Yes https://www.imore.com/rumor-claims-apple-working-new-ipad-app-window-management-feature

I saw this published is several (non English) websites too with some angry comments by 2018/2020 iPad pro users.
Yeah, people tend to say iPads don't need as much RAM as laptops, but that's just because they cannot do as much. As soon as you make them (almost) as capable as laptops they start to need just as much (and even more actually if you don't allow them to swap to disk).
This has me excited! As much as I like my current working experience with my iPP, I would love this if it ever comes to fruition. The ability to use it as a desktop with external monitor support, full multitasking (floating windows), and maybe even a real files app like Finder or Explorer would imo make the iPad Pro a truly pro device. These changes might even give developers more incentive make more desktop level apps. One can only hope.
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This has me excited! As much as I like my current working experience with my iPP, I would love this if it ever comes to fruition. The ability to use it as a desktop with external monitor support, full multitasking (floating windows), and maybe even a real files app like Finder would imo make the iPad Pro a truly pro device.
I think that windowed apps and a desktop mode for external monitors are 2 things that may be linked or may not be (it depends on how Apple might implement this).
As someone who uses both the iPad pro and Samsung flagship tablet, I already have those options on the Samsung, but I never use dex in the tablet itself, even if the screen is 14.6in. Instead I find extremely useful the possibility of having it on an external monitor (that was Dex was originally meant for, only later is was made available on the tablet too) and have basically 2 different devices at the same time, one more like Windows/Mac on the monitor and the tablet on the device (and that's the kind of external monitor support I am hoping for iPad)
Also I have always been a fan of having the possibility to have a proper file apps which is file-centric and not app-centric, where you can set the default app for each type of file (like you can do on a desktop OS or on Android).
 

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I would argue that I am in the 'professional' bracket of iPad Pro users. I have the 2020 Pro model. This is a list of the things I use it for together with the app:

- LiDAR Scanning and Photogrammetry (Scaniverse)
- Point Cloud Scanning (Capture by StandardCyborg)
- CAD (Shapr3D)
- Artwork (Procreate)
- Photo Manipulation (Pixelmator)
- Pixel Art (Sprite Creator)
- Whiteboarding (Concepts)
- Document Creation (Pages)
- Spreadsheet Work (Numbers, Excel)
- Video Capture and Editing (iMovie)
- Geolocationary (ArcGIS)
- Diary (Planner)

All of these apps are brilliant at what they do and I find the direct screen manipulation of the Pencil infinitely more precise than a Mouse. Now whilst there are apps I wish did have an iPad equivalent (Meshlab, Fusion 360) because they offer abilities the iPad does not, these are about 10% of my requirements. Crucially there is little of my workflow that can be achieved on OSX.

The iPad Pro is capable of on-device Photogrammetry, thanks to the Lidar scanner. This is normally an incredibly intensive process for a high-end desktop and thus most people resort to server-side processing. The iPad Pro is capable of doing this in the field without an internet connection. The mesh detail from it is staggering in quality.
 

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I think that windowed apps and a desktop mode for external monitors are 2 things that may be linked or may not be (it depends on how Apple might implement this).
As someone who uses both the iPad pro and Samsung flagship tablet, I already have those options on the Samsung, but I never use dex in the tablet itself, even if the screen is 14.6in. Instead I find extremely useful the possibility of having it on an external monitor (that was Dex was originally meant for, only later is was made available on the tablet too) and have basically 2 different devices at the same time, one more like Windows/Mac on the monitor and the tablet on the device (and that's the kind of external monitor support I am hoping for iPad)
Also I have always been a fan of having the possibility to have a proper file apps which is file-centric and not app-centric, where you can set the default app for each type of file (like you can do on a desktop OS or on Android).
Can you imagine a world where one device covers all your computing needs? I do like my SP6, but don't quite like the tablet implementation. If iPad OS could just have the features to turn it truly in to a desktop when needed, that would be the bees knees.:p I remember when MS was working on this with Windows mobile, but it never panned out. I understand that would trash the laptop and desktop market but so what. It would create a new market that I believe would surpass both of them. A device that could be a tablet, laptop, and desktop would be invaluable and end the need for multiple devices. I know the technology exists and could be implemented well if only Apple or MS really wanted to.
 

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Can you imagine a world where one device covers all your computing needs? I do like my SP6, but don't quite like the tablet implementation. If iPad OS could just have the features to turn it truly in to a desktop when needed, that would be the bees knees.:p I remember when MS was working on this with Windows mobile, but it never panned out. I understand that would trash the laptop and desktop market but so what. It would create a new market that I believe would surpass both of them. A device that could be a tablet, laptop, and desktop would be invaluable and end the need for multiple devices. I know the technology exists and could be implemented well if only Apple or MS really wanted to.
At present Apple is the only company that could give us a true only device that could absolutely run iPadOS and MacOS and the same time. iPadOS on the tablet and MacOS on a external display or even on the tablet instead of iPadOS, just like Samsung does with Dex. That's absolutely possible and would in no way hinder the experience of those that just want iPadOS other than taking some more storage if not used (but the storage would start at 256GB anyway, like for the Mac, which leaves plenty for the iPad).

Having said that, I am not one of those who believe it would be more profitable than selling Apple Silicon Macs + iPads (pro) to the same clients, so I don't think it will ever happen, especially with little push from the competition, but we can always dream....

There is maybe one hope, that at some point Qualcomm manages to (kind of) catch up with Apple Silicon thanks to Nuvia and allows Samsung to do an Android tablet that can run Windows on Arm at the same time, instead of Dex. That would be a very compelling offer (I can already see the ads "get the best of both worlds, now your Galaxy Tab S10 can run Windows too") that could push Apple to rethink their strategy.
 

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At present Apple is the only company that could give us a true only device that could absolutely run iPadOS and MacOS and the same time. iPadOS on the tablet and MacOS on a external display or even on the tablet instead of iPadOS, just like Samsung does with Dex. That's absolutely possible and would in no way hinder the experience of those that just want iPadOS other than taking some more storage if not used (but the storage would start at 256GB anyway, like for the Mac, which leaves plenty for the iPad).

Having said that, I am not one of those who believe it would be more profitable than selling Apple Silicon Macs + iPads (pro) to the same clients, so I don't think it will ever happen, especially with little push from the competition, but we can always dream....

There is maybe one hope, that at some point Qualcomm manages to (kind of) catch up with Apple Silicon thanks to Nuvia and allows Samsung to do an Android tablet that can run Windows on Arm at the same time, instead of Dex. That would be a very compelling offer (I can already see the ads "get the best of both worlds, now your Galaxy Tab S10 can run Windows too") that could push Apple to rethink their strategy.
You are right. We can always dream. Is not what we have today, the dreams of yesterday? If anyone can do it and do it well, it is Apple. On the other hand, I don't have much confidence in Qualcomm and MS. I was reading this PC Mag article about what you were talking about and that future doesn't look too rosy unfortunately. You remember this from a few years ago? I was really rooting for this and then it just died and disappeared. In this day of technology somebody has got to be able make a mobile device that can also hook up to a keyboard, mouse and monitor and become a full fledged desktop. I am hoping for Apple but would also be happy if Samsung or MS could do it.
 

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You are right. We can always dream. Is not what we have today, the dreams of yesterday? If anyone can do it and do it well, it is Apple. On the other hand, I don't have much confidence in Qualcomm and MS. I was reading this PC Mag article about what you were talking about and that future doesn't look too rosy unfortunately. You remember this from a few years ago? I was really rooting for this and then it just died and disappeared. In this day of technology somebody has got to be able make a mobile device that can also hook up to a keyboard, mouse and monitor and become a full fledged desktop. I am hoping for Apple but would also be happy if Samsung or MS could do it.
I don't have much confidence in Samsung replacing Dex with WoA, but I think WoA devices will improve a lot. That PC Mag article is pretty poor and jumps to conclusions based on experience with the worst WoA chip.
And as to the second link, I remember very well, it was the first test of Windows on Arm. It didn't die, far from it, it's still here, it went on with the poor phone chip SD835, then the not so much better 850 (a sort of improved version of the 845) and then with the 8CX, a dedicated version of the 855 with 3 times the TDP that was put in the Surface pro X, much better than the previous ones but still relatively weak for Windows, especially because it was handicapped by emulation. And they also made some pointless 7c and 8c chips. The second gen of 8CX was only marginally better, but the 3rd gen that just came out this year? Well that thing is almost twice as fast. Not on par with M1, but on par with Intel 10gen core chips. And Nuvia promises to outperform the M1 and be competitive with its successors.
The process has been slow and painful because Qualcomm didn't care. They were too busy selling phone chips and just repurposed them for Windows and sold them at outrageous prices. Apple meanwhile was decoupling phones and tablet chips to the point where the tablet chips became faster than Intel. But M1 was a big wake-up moment for Qualcomm and they quickly bought Nuvia and have been working hard in 2021 (and 8CX gen 3 is proof of that).

Sure emulation will be an handicap, but things like the browser or Office and of course the OS are native and if you have tried WoA on M1 it runs pretty well, despite a double layer of virtualization and emulation. And honestly they don't need to have M1 max performance. There is Intel and AMD for that. They need to be fast enough to provide great battery life in some form factors, like tablets, where battery life and low weight are important.
And I know that many people here, and maybe you too, hate Windows, especially on a tablet. But many don't outside the Apple world. And personally, if MS came with a surface pro that was as light as a the iPad pro, as fast, fanless and had similar battery life I'd buy it in a heart-bit...(I would happily trade the not so perfect touch experience for the added capabilities). But with Intel we are far from it and we'll probably never get there.
Now granted, Microsoft hasn't been nowhere near Apple in terms of quality for their tablets, but they are improving (and Surface pro 8 is a sign of that, even just looking at things like speaker quality).
And they have been slow with Windows on Arm, but they are making a lot of progress lately with Windows 11 on Arm, which has also been improved for touch.
And even for those that hate Windows, if WoA brings competition in the tablet world, by solving its real issues (which are heat, noise, weight, poor battery life, etc, not so much Windows in my opinion), that may push Apple to consider giving a "MacOS mode" to iPad pro/air.
 

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I love the ipad. I bought the original 10.5 pro for Affinity Photo and I updated to the 11 to continue to run it.

I have a 2016 15s" Pro.
A new M1 Mac Mini
A 2020 Work issued 2020 16" i9 Macbook Pro
and I just ordered a new 16" M1 Max 64GB, 32 core GPU.

And I still love the ipad for what it does for me. It is the most used device and I can reasonably justify spending on it because of the hours per day I use it for. It is not a laptop replacement.

I use it for my social media stuff. I have a day job as a developer engineer but I do a lot of Instagram stuff where I make money. So I am always editing IG Stories using LumaFusion, editing and compositing images with Affinity. Part of my "schtick" is I use the iPad for all the content creation.

And I can occassionally use it for work projects - SSH into my web apps I create on the side, manage DBS, even control my Docker Swarm/Kubernetes cluster. Even write occasional Python and nodeJS code with full git versioning.
But those are just nice to have as doing real coding on a laptop is better but it is nice to have now that iPad OS file works pretty seamless with external storage and there are apps where I can mount SFTP volumes or AWS S3 buckets. Pull,copy, edit code, do git commit. So yes, it is real and works pretty good these days versus my 10.5 that did not have Thunderbolt USB-C.

And I just prefer using my iPad for all sorts of tasks. If I a 3D printing, I can copy the STLs to a icloud and just connect a sdcard dongle and manage my printing. Every day, there is something I can do with it.

If a client asked me to develop a $20k web app, I can do it on the iPad no problemo and get *PAID* for it. So if that isn't pro work, I don't know what is.

I also believe the mantra analogy that the best Photograph is the camera you have with you. So the best creative tool is the one you have with you. So if I am at the Swim Meet watching my kid do water polo compeition, pulling out an iPad with long life battery at 6pm is just that. By 6pm, my regular macbook's battery is already dead. Same as the photography-best-camera analogy. Just having that level of portability and long enduring battery life makes it pro.
 

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I don't have much confidence in Samsung replacing Dex with WoA, but I think WoA devices will improve a lot. That PC Mag article is pretty poor and jumps to conclusions based on experience with the worst WoA chip.
And as to the second link, I remember very well, it was the first test of Windows on Arm. It didn't die, far from it, it's still here, it went on with the poor phone chip SD835, then the not so much better 850 (a sort of improved version of the 845) and then with the 8CX, a dedicated version of the 855 with 3 times the TDP that was put in the Surface pro X, much better than the previous ones but still relatively weak for Windows, especially because it was handicapped by emulation. And they also made some pointless 7c and 8c chips. The second gen of 8CX was only marginally better, but the 3rd gen that just came out this year? Well that thing is almost twice as fast. Not on par with M1, but on par with Intel 10gen core chips. And Nuvia promises to outperform the M1 and be competitive with its successors.
The process has been slow and painful because Qualcomm didn't care. They were too busy selling phone chips and just repurposed them for Windows and sold them at outrageous prices. Apple meanwhile was decoupling phones and tablet chips to the point where the tablet chips became faster than Intel. But M1 was a big wake-up moment for Qualcomm and they quickly bought Nuvia and have been working hard in 2021 (and 8CX gen 3 is proof of that).

Sure emulation will be an handicap, but things like the browser or Office and of course the OS are native and if you have tried WoA on M1 it runs pretty well, despite a double layer of virtualization and emulation. And honestly they don't need to have M1 max performance. There is Intel and AMD for that. They need to be fast enough to provide great battery life in some form factors, like tablets, where battery life and low weight are important.
And I know that many people here, and maybe you too, hate Windows, especially on a tablet. But many don't outside the Apple world. And personally, if MS came with a surface pro that was as light as a the iPad pro, as fast, fanless and had similar battery life I'd buy it in a heart-bit...(I would happily trade the not so perfect touch experience for the added capabilities). But with Intel we are far from it and we'll probably never get there.
Now granted, Microsoft hasn't been nowhere near Apple in terms of quality for their tablets, but they are improving (and Surface pro 8 is a sign of that, even just looking at things like speaker quality).
And they have been slow with Windows on Arm, but they are making a lot of progress lately with Windows 11 on Arm, which has also been improved for touch.
And even for those that hate Windows, if WoA brings competition in the tablet world, by solving its real issues (which are heat, noise, weight, poor battery life, etc, not so much Windows in my opinion), that may push Apple to consider giving a "MacOS mode" to iPad pro/air.
Keeping my fingers crossed and actually on the same page as you. I just like tech, no matter whos name is on it. I especially like it if it is done well. I do not hate Windows or MS at all. I have an SP2 that serves as the kitchen computer and still runs well. I also have an SP6 which has never given me a problem. I was actually trying to make a go of using it for my Real Estate businesses until I got my iPP a few months ago. I've just never been fond of Windows in tablet mode. Windows PC laptops and desktops I have no problem with. If MS had the eco system that Apple has, I'd be right in on it. I stick with Apple because I have had very little trouble with their products over the years, and imo the Apple eco system is the best. My wife and son both use Windows machines that I take care of for them, and I don't know if you remember, but my Avatar for this forum was "I Like Both", from the time I joined back in 2010 up until a just few months ago. I just like the idea of fewer devices and I think that one device that does it all is not very far off in our future. I believe we have the technology. Now we just need a company or three that can implement it.

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Keeping my fingers crossed and actually on the same page as you. I just like tech, no matter whos name is on it. I especially like it if it is done well. I do not hate Windows or MS at all. I have an SP2 that serves as the kitchen computer and still runs well. I also have an SP6 which has never given me a problem. I was actually trying to make a go of using it for my Real Estate businesses until I got my iPP a few months ago. I've just never been fond of Windows in tablet mode. Windows PC laptops and desktops I have no problem with. If MS had the eco system that Apple has, I'd be right in on it. I stick with Apple because I have had very little trouble with their products over the years, and imo the Apple eco system is the best. My wife and son both use Windows machines that I take care of for them, and I don't know if you remember, but my Avatar for this forum was "I Like Both", from the time I joined back in 2010 up until a just few months ago. I just like the idea of fewer devices and I think that that one device that does it all is not very far in our future. I believe we have the technology. Now we just need a company or three that can implement it.

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Keeping my fingers crossed and actually on the same page as you. I just like tech, no matter whos name is on it. I especially like it if it is done well. I do not hate Windows or MS at all. I have an SP2 that serves as the kitchen computer and still runs well. I also have an SP6 which has never given me a problem. I was actually trying to make a go of using it for my Real Estate businesses until I got my iPP a few months ago. I've just never been fond of Windows in tablet mode. Windows PC laptops and desktops I have no problem with. If MS had the eco system that Apple has, I'd be right in on it. I stick with Apple because I have had very little trouble with their products over the years, and imo the Apple eco system is the best. My wife and son both use Windows machines that I take care of for them, and I don't know if you remember, but my Avatar for this forum was "I Like Both", from the time I joined back in 2010 up until a just few months ago. I just like the idea of fewer devices and I think that one device that does it all is not very far in our future. I believe we have the technology. Now we just need a company or three that can implement it.

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Nice! that SP2 reminds me of my Surface 2, which was my main tablet for several years (I also had an iPad air but it was collecting dust back then)
We are on the same boat then. I am open to Apple, Microsoft and Samsung and until one does not the perfect machine, I am using them all....
 

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Nice! that SP2 reminds me of my Surface 2, which was my main tablet for several years (I also had an iPad air but it was collecting dust back then)
We are on the same boat then. I am open to Apple, Microsoft and Samsung and until one does not the perfect machine, I am using them all....
Forgot to say that I don't have anything against Samsung either. I just have never owned one of their phones, tablets, or PC's. I do however have a Samsung Chromebook, 2 big screen HD Samsung TV's, a Samsung refrigerator, and a Samsung washer and dryer set. The Chromebook works as advertised, the TV's I love, the major appliances...?.?

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