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why doesnt Apple use thosse antiglare screens?
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generik- exactly. As of right now, there are alot of better screens on cheaper notebooks than apples. Apple is a great computer, but they need to update those screen more.
Yes, they added more brightness, but maybe better viewing angle? As in side to side? I swear, if your head isnt right in the middle, the sides are getting dim on ya.
"junk" was a bit harsh. Well..."nowhere near the best" hows that? This whole thread was just me wanting to find out if apple was gonna stick on a better screen.
eva01- relax. If youre medical condition is the reason why you can use a apple screen and I can't, then you cant comment here.
Yes, they added more brightness, but maybe better viewing angle? As in side to side? I swear, if your head isnt right in the middle, the sides are getting dim on ya.
"junk" was a bit harsh. Well..."nowhere near the best" hows that? This whole thread was just me wanting to find out if apple was gonna stick on a better screen.
eva01- relax. If youre medical condition is the reason why you can use a apple screen and I can't, then you cant comment here.
I'm not sure if "anti glare" is what you would exactly call those shiny screens, but I personally don't mind them. If I move my head more than an inch in almost any direction, the colors on my PowerBook's screen "change", and this is the last rev. PowerBook before the MBPs, so it's got a decent screen (after replacement for the stupid horizontal lines...) Also, the sides and corners seem to "fade" out on this screen. Even looking at my mobile phone, which seems to have one of these shiny screens, it seems almost brighter than my PowerBook, and with no fading in the corners at all.
Those shiny screens seem to have better contrast and brightness to regular, "matte finish" LCDs. Side by side, the colors are more vibrant, and the regular LCDs seem flat and dull. Sure there's the shiny coating, but in a desktop environment, where I could control the light, I don't imagine it's too much of a problem. My father has a Sony X-brite display right next to a 20" Apple Cinema Display, and honestly, they are both very good displays. The Sony's image just seems to "pop" more than the Cinema Display's.
On a laptop, I could see how it'd be a hassle, using it in different and uncontrollable lighting conditions.
Those shiny screens seem to have better contrast and brightness to regular, "matte finish" LCDs. Side by side, the colors are more vibrant, and the regular LCDs seem flat and dull. Sure there's the shiny coating, but in a desktop environment, where I could control the light, I don't imagine it's too much of a problem. My father has a Sony X-brite display right next to a 20" Apple Cinema Display, and honestly, they are both very good displays. The Sony's image just seems to "pop" more than the Cinema Display's.
On a laptop, I could see how it'd be a hassle, using it in different and uncontrollable lighting conditions.
Calibrate your display by going to System Preferences, Display, choose the Colors Tab, and select calibrate. That will let you calibrate you monitor just the way you want it.Josias said:Uuuh, how do you calibrate it? Please don't say you have to buy something!
No matter what people say, it is a fact that Apple screens have won many prices, much more than Acer, LG, Phillips, Smell and anyother company. The 30" competition between 30" ACD and Dell showed the Apple won. Apple screens are not only considered, but are professional quality. I believe they might be blurry sometimes, but I believe exeterbohemian that they are better at any point when calibrated!
I rememebr when I first saw the shiny screens on Xbrite, I thought they were pretty cool. But, after taking a step back not not being able to see the screen because of the flourecent tube that was reflecting, I realized that I hated it. While I think that there are better screens out there than mine (PB/1.25), I don't have any major problems with it. Do I think that the lighting can be a bit uneven at times? Yes. But that is about it. Do I think that my parents iMac G5 (Rev B) looks better than most screens I see on a regular basis? Yes. Pictures are clearer and display better there than most other monitors I look at.
Josias- I'm not compairing it to the home screens. Those don't have the glossy coating on them.
And I dunno, while it has no bearing to what I'm talking about here, the apple lcd screens have good competition now. The Dell 24in has even beat the Apples 23in. I don't know about the 30in. but its a whole different animal compaired to LCD that the laptop uses.
And I dunno, while it has no bearing to what I'm talking about here, the apple lcd screens have good competition now. The Dell 24in has even beat the Apples 23in. I don't know about the 30in. but its a whole different animal compaired to LCD that the laptop uses.
first you come here complaining that apple's notebook displays lack some anti-glare thing that ends up making other displays worse. then when everyone calls you on it, you say forget about the anti-glare stuff and continue complaining about apple's displays, first calling them "junk", then receding to "nowhere near the best". Apples displays are generally regarded as among the best in the industry. the only common complaints are brightness issues and the dead pixel policy (and also the line problem on the latest model 15" PB)
look man, this display i'm looking at (and no, i'm not being biased here) is the best looking lcd i have ever used (and yes, i actually have used quite a few). as with anything, there's room for interpretation and everyones personal opinions, but how on earth can you really think they are junk?
look man, this display i'm looking at (and no, i'm not being biased here) is the best looking lcd i have ever used (and yes, i actually have used quite a few). as with anything, there's room for interpretation and everyones personal opinions, but how on earth can you really think they are junk?
In my very first post I said "not so much for the antiglare but for the clarity. I noticed that compaired to all the new notebooks coming out, that while apple screens have the higher resolution, the text and "details" are washed out."
Time and time again, I said I wasnt really talking about the antiglare but on how well those other screens look. IGNORING the antiglare. They seemed sharper and brighter without the blurryness(sp) I used the words antiglare because normally thats what the manufactures are calling those kinds of screens. Hows this: Xbrite, Hi-clarity, Brightview, etc, etc. Is that better?
I've changed my wording from "junk" to "nowhere near the best" Just because of apple lovers complain. As others stated it was MY view on how I thought the screen looked. I THEN asked if anybody else knew if they were going to change the screens. (I better mention that part before you start saying something else)
Time and time again, I said I wasnt really talking about the antiglare but on how well those other screens look. IGNORING the antiglare. They seemed sharper and brighter without the blurryness(sp) I used the words antiglare because normally thats what the manufactures are calling those kinds of screens. Hows this: Xbrite, Hi-clarity, Brightview, etc, etc. Is that better?
I've changed my wording from "junk" to "nowhere near the best" Just because of apple lovers complain. As others stated it was MY view on how I thought the screen looked. I THEN asked if anybody else knew if they were going to change the screens. (I better mention that part before you start saying something else)
Yeah, those things are awful IMO. I usually have the windows closed and stuff but I'm sure they're good if you got some major sun shining in.
i don't think that apples...
notebook display are necessarily "prettier" to look at, but you try doing some print with one of those xBrite dealies and you're gonna be hating it...
deep black is good for watching movies...
true black is a different story.
contrasting the hell out of something isn't the way you really see things in the world around you... shadows and such are never "Black".
notebook display are necessarily "prettier" to look at, but you try doing some print with one of those xBrite dealies and you're gonna be hating it...
deep black is good for watching movies...
true black is a different story.
contrasting the hell out of something isn't the way you really see things in the world around you... shadows and such are never "Black".
plinkoman said:first you come here complaining that apple's notebook displays lack some anti-glare thing that ends up making other displays worse. then when everyone calls you on it, you say forget about the anti-glare stuff and continue complaining about apple's displays, first calling them "junk", then receding to "nowhere near the best". Apples displays are generally regarded as among the best in the industry. the only common complaints are brightness issues and the dead pixel policy (and also the line problem on the latest model 15" PB)
i smell a troll...
look man, this display i'm looking at (and no, i'm not being biased here) is the best looking lcd i have ever used (and yes, i actually have used quite a few). as with anything, there's room for interpretation and everyones personal opinions, but how on earth can you really think they are junk?
He's not a troll, he only seems like it. He's only rejected every argument because he's right. It has nothing to do with being a troll. No one else's opinion really seems to matter but he's not a troll.
bousozoku- No.. Not rejected. What did I reject? That antiglare screens have glare? No, I agreed. That people love apple screens and they think its better than those with xbrite or whatever? No, to each their own. I never called anybody dumb for their thoughts. All I said was I didn't like the apple screens. And wanted to know if apple was releasing anything new.
Now, I asked that. Did ANYBODY answer my question on if apple was going to change the screen? NO. Did I get a bunch of people saying they loved the apple screen? YES. But that didn't answer my question, so I never really responded to it. 95% of those responding was responding to the words "antiglare" and I really wasnt talking about that.
But it seems when people missread the initial post, they start responding without reading anything else, so people just continue to post about how apple screens are so great because it doesnt have the glossy coating. And how the glosy coating makes everything bad. Ok fine. That's your thoughts. But that wasnt answering my question now is it?
Now, some people say its because its not "calibrated" thats why when you make the apple screen brighter it looks washed out and the words are not as clear. Ok fine. I need to goto Apple store and ask them to calibrate one of the macbooks. Just so I can see how much better it looks.
Heck, I was looking at buying a macbook 15in. Untill I was in the store and looking at the screen. Besides not being as bright as the Sony (lets not get hung up on name bands here, I just had a sz120 that I was returning with me when I went in) screen rez was for the Sony was 1280x800(I think) and when I set it next to the 15in, I could see a difference in screen. I could move a bit more side to side (yeah,yeah mac lovers call it screen privacy. I'm JOKING) on the Sony without the sides getting dimmmer. And overall the colors stood out better with sharper detail. So I didn't buy the Apple YET. Not to mention I was going to be doing alot of PC work on the Apple still and people here on macrumors said I should hold off a bit more untill more bugs are worked ou on the PC side.
Now, I asked that. Did ANYBODY answer my question on if apple was going to change the screen? NO. Did I get a bunch of people saying they loved the apple screen? YES. But that didn't answer my question, so I never really responded to it. 95% of those responding was responding to the words "antiglare" and I really wasnt talking about that.
But it seems when people missread the initial post, they start responding without reading anything else, so people just continue to post about how apple screens are so great because it doesnt have the glossy coating. And how the glosy coating makes everything bad. Ok fine. That's your thoughts. But that wasnt answering my question now is it?
Now, some people say its because its not "calibrated" thats why when you make the apple screen brighter it looks washed out and the words are not as clear. Ok fine. I need to goto Apple store and ask them to calibrate one of the macbooks. Just so I can see how much better it looks.
Heck, I was looking at buying a macbook 15in. Untill I was in the store and looking at the screen. Besides not being as bright as the Sony (lets not get hung up on name bands here, I just had a sz120 that I was returning with me when I went in) screen rez was for the Sony was 1280x800(I think) and when I set it next to the 15in, I could see a difference in screen. I could move a bit more side to side (yeah,yeah mac lovers call it screen privacy. I'm JOKING) on the Sony without the sides getting dimmmer. And overall the colors stood out better with sharper detail. So I didn't buy the Apple YET. Not to mention I was going to be doing alot of PC work on the Apple still and people here on macrumors said I should hold off a bit more untill more bugs are worked ou on the PC side.
The shiny covers everyone is putting on their screens drive me nuts. I have an older 12" PB and wish the display was brighter, especially outside, but I'm certainly glad it doesn't have that super reflective cover on it. My friend had work had a nice new Dell with that shiny cover, and unless you pointed the monitor towards the floor it was like looking into a mirror. No good!
I do love my 20" Widescreen Dell though, oh yes I do.
I do love my 20" Widescreen Dell though, oh yes I do.
Fine I'll talk about the glossy coating since nobody seems to get past that and answer the original question.
I like the glossy coating. I dont use my laptop outdoors. I use it in office or in a building so direct sunlight wasnt an issue. Sure there is some glare, but it's not bad too me. I also don't need my screen at a really bad angle to remove the glare. Granted stick a lamp or a ceiling light behind me and it'll be bad. But to me, watching movies and working indoors looks better on those kinds of screens than the Apple screen. I already know people here like the apple screen. Thats fine. I just wanted to know if anybody knows if apple maybe chaning the screen.
I like the glossy coating. I dont use my laptop outdoors. I use it in office or in a building so direct sunlight wasnt an issue. Sure there is some glare, but it's not bad too me. I also don't need my screen at a really bad angle to remove the glare. Granted stick a lamp or a ceiling light behind me and it'll be bad. But to me, watching movies and working indoors looks better on those kinds of screens than the Apple screen. I already know people here like the apple screen. Thats fine. I just wanted to know if anybody knows if apple maybe chaning the screen.
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I have a solution to your problems..
Get some saran wrap and wrap your screen up with it. There, now it's shiney like the non-apple laptops.
Oh and if it's still not contrasty enough for you, command+option+control+. a couple times should do the trick..
My gf got a laptop with those shiney screens and i thought they were cool at first but then i realize, it's a gimmick.. it looks cool at first but if you had to use it on a regular basis, it would likely get on your nerves.
I have a solution to your problems..
Get some saran wrap and wrap your screen up with it. There, now it's shiney like the non-apple laptops.
Oh and if it's still not contrasty enough for you, command+option+control+. a couple times should do the trick..
My gf got a laptop with those shiney screens and i thought they were cool at first but then i realize, it's a gimmick.. it looks cool at first but if you had to use it on a regular basis, it would likely get on your nerves.