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lordofthereef

macrumors G5
Nov 29, 2011
13,161
3,721
Boston, MA
What was the thing that Apple do, and everything else copy it:

1- Switch to touch screen from keyboards & other inputs Apple certainly made touch screens much more popular, but they didn't do it first...
2- The integrated solution (extreme case: MS) I don't know what this means
3- The App store We had Installer doing very well (now replaced by Cydia) which likely caused Apple to open their eyes. There is no real evidence showing Apple had plans for the AppStor before this.
4- Open the development to large pool of devs (before apple, was almost impossible that a person like me develop for phones) For phones, perhaps that's true, but this isn't a new concept. Look at any desktop OS. You could develop for it decades ago. My friends were writing text based games for DOS and Windows in middle school.
4a - A decent cut of 30%. Back them, you lucky if get 10% I am not sure what you mean here either. Apple takes a 30% cut and the dev gets 70%. Who get's 10% of what and when? :confused:
5- Provide decent toolset for devs (the MS toolset - Windows mobile- was the best back them. And was terrible) How was Apple copied here? By your own admission a toolset for another OS existed. Apple's was better. Someone else made their own toolset better and they are copying Apple now?
6- Push for consumers, instead of business (ie: RIM) This I can get on board with 100%
7- Delivery tablet not like a desktop half-attempt at tablet, but with specialized software (7a: Specific api for touch enabled apps, 7b: Native development!) I can agree with this too
8- Have a single OS across plataforms (extreme case: MS!) Personally I would really call iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad as cross platforming. If we are going to call it that, then we might as well call desktop PCs, laptops, and home built kits with windows all cross platforming.
9- ARM Are we talking about the cpu/gpu? Nobody is copying anything here. They are licensing it. Maybe I am misunderstanding you?
10- Powerfull hardware (State of art? Windows Mobile like 64 RAM for disk+memory. When I know that the first iphone was 128 I can't believe it. Then the graphic card....) This is another point where I don;t understand how Apple is being copied. Apple added more powerful hardware than their predecessor. Others continue to add more powerful hardware still. That's the nature of upgrades and tech over time. I can drop 4 gigs of ram into my next phone design but that wouldn't mean I was copying Apple because somehow they were "first" to give us more...
11- Free, constant updates of the OS (barely matched) This I can get on board with for sure, but devices are limited. If you have an iPhone you are pretty safe. What about iPod touch and iPad? The first gen iPad has been left in the dust. Various iPod touch models required a paid update model (which Apple seems to have dropped in favor of just stopping support all together).

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Tarzanman

macrumors 65816
Jul 16, 2010
1,304
15
In what moment I say Apple invent completely something? The old-excuse "before exist" but before (almost) nobody want it? Do you not remember how was that tablets & smartphone before the iPhone/iPad?



What was the thing that Apple do, and everything else copy it:

1- Switch to touch screen from keyboards & other inputs
2- The integrated solution (extreme case: MS)
3- The App store
4- Open the development to large pool of devs (before apple, was almost impossible that a person like me develop for phones)
4a - A decent cut of 30%. Back them, you lucky if get 10%
5- Provide decent toolset for devs (the MS toolset - Windows mobile- was the best back them. And was terrible)
6- Push for consumers, instead of business (ie: RIM)
7- Delivery tablet not like a desktop half-attempt at tablet, but with specialized software (7a: Specific api for touch enabled apps, 7b: Native development!)
8- Have a single OS across plataforms (extreme case: MS!)
9- ARM
10- Powerfull hardware (State of art? Windows Mobile like 64 RAM for disk+memory. When I know that the first iphone was 128 I can't believe it. Then the graphic card....)
11- Free, constant updates of the OS (barely matched)

And other things that I forgot. In the mean time, the ENTERY industry was put downside-up, MS lost it, but still have a last try, RIM/Nokia fall, Samsung rise from nothing, Google enter new batlefields and Apple rise to top.

YEP,

That was TOTALLY the innovation provided for others...

Lol. LOL. Where are you from? Latvia? You have such a skewed, incorrect perspective of computing that I literally do not know where to start.

Apple didn't do *any* of the things that you list first. They didn't even do them second.

LOL
 

trouble747

macrumors 6502
Jul 30, 2011
328
14
I love the internet. Everyone's a legal expert!

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Sorry. Law Degrees from a Cracker Jack box don't count.

It is kind of funny. They don't understand the law at issue, so they assume the "patent system" is "flawed," or "broken," that Apple is the only company that seeks to protect its innovations, or that Google or Motorola or whoever is being picked on, like it's a personal affront.

It's not personal; it's business. It's not as if Apple hasn't been on the losing end before, nor is Google an unsophisticated or poverty-stricken business that can't take care of itself.
 

nuckinfutz

macrumors 603
Jul 3, 2002
5,542
406
Middle Earth
I love the internet. Everyone's a legal expert!

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It is kind of funny. They don't understand the law at issue, so they assume the "patent system" is "flawed," or "broken," that Apple is the only company that seeks to protect its innovations, or that Google or Motorola or whoever is being picked on, like it's a personal affront.

It's not personal; it's business. It's not as if Apple hasn't been on the losing end before, nor is Google an unsophisticated or poverty-stricken business that can't take care of itself.

Just don't bill me!

:D
 
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