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belvdr

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Gruber

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So is it "quite an ok laptop", or a fashion accessory?

Both. The specs are ok, and it is well-built. I think that the design is overdone and sacrifices functionality. But this does not make the Air a bad laptop, hm?

Please take my gruff remarks in good humor. I am really fed up with people that tell me that the Air should be perfect for me, or that I should buy something even more bulky instead.
 

GoCubsGo

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Quite frankly I don't need to explain why I love what I love and I certainly don't need to explain my purchase (or defend it) to a bunch of 12-year olds, or people who think like a 12-year old (you know who you are).
The Air appeals to a market outside the obvious demographic. I was weary of the Air up until I purchased it and now that I have it, I cannot see myself moving away from it. Sure, I think about selling for a new unibody MBP (13") but then again I'm traveling this week and I couldn't be happier with my lightweight bag and even lighter Air. It does what I need it to do and I come home to my MP for the heavy lifting.
 

haoqfu

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But it doesn't cost $1. The problem with that question is that for $1, anything seems like a good value these days _and_ the fact the machine doesn't cost $1.

I know what you're trying to say, but given the current cost is at least $1,500 USD for the base Air, they can choose whether or not this machine is worth their money.

:handshake: agree, just want to make my point understood, no harsh feeling here. i was simply tired of these ppl bashing air just b/c of the price label.

Rolling your eyes doesn't make your point any better.

So, if you needed a car to haul a family of four, _and_ you had 3 billion dollars, _and_ your budget was $30,000, you would buy this?

https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/2009fleetshowroom/2009-f350cc.asp

Likely not.

well, is air that ugly to you? if it is, i will just shut up then.
 

belvdr

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just b/c of the price label.

It's not the price, it is the perceived value (which is determined by each individual and people will disagree on this). There is a very distinct difference.

No harsh feelings here either.

well, is air that ugly to you? if it is, i will just shut up then.

Ha ha, not really, but now you're getting it. That vehicle is ugly indeed, so you're seeing the perceived value (aesthetics, features, etc), not just the price label. So if you had 3 billion dollars, you wouldn't buy the first thing you see. You would shop and see what fits your requirements, not just any old vehicle.
 

yoppie

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well, is air that ugly to you? if it is, i will just shut up then.

Haoqfu, we're not saying the Air is ugly or that it isn't a nice machine. We're just saying not all Air bashers are out there counting their pennies. :p Everything isn't for everybody. Why can't people see that?

If you like it, great. If you don't, find something that suits you better. Why all the hostility (on both sides)?

Ha ha, not really, but now you're getting it. That vehicle is ugly indeed, so you're seeing the perceived value (aesthetics, features, etc), not just the price label. So if you had 3 billion dollars, you wouldn't buy the first thing you see. You would shop and see what fits your requirements, not just any old vehicle.

Bingo. Even with his 3 billion dollars, he didn't care enough to throw money at it.
 

haoqfu

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Haoqfu, we're not saying the Air is ugly or that it isn't a nice machine. We're just saying not all Air bashers are out there counting their pennies. :p Everything isn't for everybody. Why can't people see that?

that's right. i'm not saying all air bashers are counting their pennies either. :)
 

Veinticinco

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I guess school really is out for the summer judging by this thread - what a waste of bandwidth. Text-speak and affected misspelling ("enuff"? cringeworthy...) only make you look even stupider than the argument you're presenting.

For the record, I love the MBA, have owned both revisions (the last one but for a couple of weeks during which time I had THREE all unacceptable due to screen issues).

But I'd gladly buy another one tomorrow if it had just a couple of decent realistic hardware upgrades. Price is immaterial to me, and I'd have gladly sacrificed less of a price drop or none at all if it meant I could have those features.

How does that fit into your 8th grade theory then?
 

hodgeheg

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no need to open a thread for those bashers. they are bashing simple b/c they can not afford it and unaware of this fact.

Is pointing out a problem "bashing" ?

For everyone who is happy with their Air and thinks it will do what they want, wonderful- go buy one. I adored mine, for the three months before its hinges became so wobbly that it couldn't be used on the train, and I wouldn't have even minded that if Apple hadn't told me that it was intentional thus they wouldn't fix it.

None of these problems detract from the fact that if you get a perfect or near-perfect Air then you have a sublimely portable computer that is a joy to use and carry around, and super elegant, surprisingly powerful etc - if it meets your hardware needs (which it easily does mine). Noone I've seen, excepting the occasional troll, is disputing that for many people the Air is a great computing product/experience.

To assume that anyone who doesn't have or doesn't like the Air simply can't afford one is spectacular arrogance, but I shall end that particular bit of my troll feeding here.

It *is* a very nice computer, but that doesn't mean it's perfect. And just because some (or even many or even most) owners are overjoyed doesn't mean everyone else has to be. Plus there are some issues that are less to do with the Air than with Apple's attitude. I wonder if you'd be as blindly dismissive if you'd spent £1000-£2000 on a laptop that had one of the really bad screens, or wobbly hinges, or warped base, or poorly fitting body shell etc and someone came along and told you you were just 'bashing' and Apple is perfect.

I suspect some of the people you refer to as bashers are people who would really like to like the Air because on paper it looks perfect but have been bitterly disappointed with the experience - like me. If however you're talking about the occasional person who still pops up and says it's underpowered and not a proper computer (and disregards the needs of particular users), then I'd have to agree with you!

i'm just telling the truth, just not everyone is realizing it. if mba was $500, nobody will be bashing it.

Actually, I'd still consider the screen issues I've seen and the hinge issues I've seen unacceptable at $500, since I've never seen a $500 computer with those problems. Anyway, the Air *isn't* $500 is it? Is your point actually relevant at all? Your logic is like saying "Someone bought a $1000000 house and the windows don't fit properly. They shouldn't complain because if the house had been $500 they wouldn't be complaining."

I don't in anyway disgree with the original post, for the record. Just your comments.

I agree that there are a lot of price bashers but I'm not so sure it's because they can't afford an Air, more so they think it's not worth the value it's priced at - they can get a "better" mac for a little less or a little more.

There are bashers for every mac computer out there, if it's not price, it's graphics card, screen size, screen quality, weight, etc. Heck, just being a mac is enough to be bashed. I say get what you want and be happy with it, everyone is not going to like everything so stop looking for that to happen.

I have no problem with the Air's price, even before it got reduced. I have a problem with the build quality and service that I got, at any feasible price (i.e. not $1, obviously).
 

belvdr

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Hodgeheg, FYI, there's a multi-quote option. Click the double quote symbol next to each post you wish to reply to, then click the Quote button.
 

uberamd

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I am with the OP on this one. Lots of people bash the Air for a variety of reasons, but I personally love mine. I have the Rev A 1.6GHz 80GB model, and it is plenty snappy. Sure, its not as quick as my Macbook Pro 2.4GHz 4GB RAM, but it holds its own just fine. The screen? Pristine. The display on this thing is amazing. I get no lines, its instant on, bright, and looks fantastic.

Its light enough for me to bring to and from work without hardly noticing it is there, its light enough to have on my lap without noticing it is even on it, and its thin enough to turn heads when I use it. Overall, its a great machine. Mine does get very hot when doing video things such as Skype, but thats the only complaint I have.
 

Balthezor

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What is the point of this thread? Seems like everyone here is just angry and insulting each other.
 

haoqfu

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Actually, I'd still consider the screen issues I've seen and the hinge issues I've seen unacceptable at $500, since I've never seen a $500 computer with those problems. Anyway, the Air *isn't* $500 is it? Is your point actually relevant at all? Your logic is like saying "Someone bought a $1000000 house and the windows don't fit properly. They shouldn't complain because if the house had been $500 they wouldn't be complaining."
obviously you are not getting my point, besides i have never had any problem with display nor the hinge. the display on my rev B was perfect, actually it was the best display i've ever got on a mac.

my point is lots of ppl bashing here are not b/c of the building quality of mba, but they thought it's overpriced for minor problems like lower spec, only one usb, slow charging.
 

macjay

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i agree. it's not b/c they can't afford, it's b/c they think it's not worth the value. and sadly, it goes back to the fact that they are not rich enuff. if sb. is truly rich, he won't complain abt if sth. is worth of the price or not, right?

Not right.

Looking for value is not dependent on one's personal wealth.

Currently, the richest person in the world is Warren Buffett. He is a strict VALUE investor.

John Templeton, another billionaire and value investor, drove a Kia in the last few years of his life as he felt it was a great VALUE.
 

haoqfu

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Not right.

Looking for value is not dependent on one's personal wealth.

Currently, the richest person in the world is Warren Buffett. He is a strict VALUE investor.

John Templeton, another billionaire and value investor, drove a Kia in the last few years of his life as he felt it was a great VALUE.

well. if you had the amount of Buffett's fortune, would you still be so picky about the mba's lower spec for $1499? meanwhile complaining that other similar products are $200 cheaper and they have 1GB more RAM, 200HZ faster cpus?

come on, let's be honest.
 

Fizzoid

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well. if you had the amount of Buffett's fortune, would you still be so picky about the mba's lower spec for $1499?

come on, let's be honest.
Peoples' problem with the MBA isn't just the low spec though, is it?
 

haoqfu

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Peoples' problem with the MBA isn't just the low spec though, is it?

right, but i've seen enough ppl complaining about the spec when it first came out. needless to say, not many of them even need a fast computer, they simply like everything to be best, fastest cpus, ssd blah blah

for those who suffer quality issues, they have every reason to complain.
 

macjay

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well. if you had the amount of Buffett's fortune, would you still be so picky about the mba's lower spec for $1499? meanwhile complaining that other similar products are $200 cheaper and they have 1GB more RAM, 200HZ faster cpus?

come on, let's be honest.

Evidently, you'd like to believe that great personal wealth and value-seeking are inversely correlated.

You are free to believe whatever you wish, however I have already given two examples that disprove that assertion.
 

haoqfu

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Evidently, you'd like to believe that great personal wealth and value-seeking are inversely correlated.

You are free to believe whatever you wish, however I have already given two examples that disprove that assertion.

ya, and u r missing at least another 80% of millionaires who wouldn't care about several hundred dollar of difference between mba and similar products.
 

Mattie Num Nums

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my problem with the Air is I just don't get it. I mean are you really sacrificing THAT much carrying around a MBP 13" or 15".

Probably not.

I think the 13" MBP is absolutely perfect. Everyone wanted the 12" back but instead they got more than they could have asked for. The netbook would be the perfect compliment to Apple's arsenal currently, however the Air just stands out to me as out of place.
 

Fizzoid

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ya, and u r missing at least another 80% of millionaires who wouldn't care about several hundred dollar of difference between mba and similar products.
I presume you've asked this other 80% you're on about?
 
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