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Loyalty4Life

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Aug 28, 2006
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Do I mean to start a big debate? No. I have build up a fairly good list of reasons why I believe the iPhone is superior over any other phone. But my reasons don't mean absolute fact, so don't worry, I'm not an Apple fanboy. I would have easily joined Android if it was a superior product in my eyes.

I have used many high end Android phones over the past year: Galaxy Note II, Galaxy IV, HTC One and the Moto X to name a few. I did like their "style" and presentation, but there were always some things that made me realize the iPhone is superior.

To name a few:

Security

Have there been a couple security problems with iOS lately? Yes, but Apple patched them up soon after. I'm not saying iOS is perfect. Far from it. But really, Android's OS security should be compared to Windows on a PC. I believe one of the main problems is the ability for any low-end developer to make an "app" for Android and publish it to the Play Store when it's really spyware, malware, or worse. I know people that use anti-virus software for their Android. Huh? It's sad. Those programs only drain the battery of the phone, and again, it's very similar to Windows on a PC. To make matters worse for Android, since all these different Android phones can hardly ever update to the latest OS, they're even more vulnerable.

iOS, on the other hand, has quite a stringent app process (highly publicized at times, especially at first), but in the end, it's benefited all iOS users. I don't have to worry if an app on the App Store is going to give me a virus, etc. There's no need for AV software for the iPhone. Big peace of mind.


Software Upgradability

It's well known that Android phones can't upgrade to the latest OS with any easy at all. And yet when some do, there's already a newer version released. That creates big security problems (as mentioned above), a fractured OS ecosystem that makes it a nightmare for developers to work with, and people don't get the new features when an upgrade comes out, yet they just shelled out $650 for this new phone seven months ago. And by the time a company makes a new version of the phone, they're even more sluggish and reluctant to care enough to update the previous phone that was touted new some months back.

On the other hand, a relative of mine is still using an iPhone 4. Running iOS 7. This is a phone that was made almost four years ago, summer 2010. A similar phone released around that time, the Galaxy S, still can only run 2.3 Gingerbread! Yikes. That's just a sample. Apple even cared enough for iPhone 4 owners to make 7.1, which made the phone OS work faster for that phone, as I can attest with testing my relative's iPhone 4.

File/Music Management

First off, I understand that a lot of people like the ability to manage a file/folder structure. I like the ability on my computer, of course. I see the benefits. But I don't really see it for a phone. Android has a Windows-like folder system--one that has so many folders, including ones that seemingly users should never be allowed to access. You can't neglect the fact that a strong majority of Android users are people that have NO IDEA how to manage files, where to put things, etc. Android makes it very difficult for them. And each maker of Android phones has their own little transfer program to manage files, and some even try to sync your iTunes content. For those that do the latter, they do just an absolutely horrible job. After so much messing around with it for an hour, I still found no use for it at all.

And for music and other files, the majority of users want to use a third party app. I have tried a lot of them, and I never used one that made sense or was well designed. And many of them have ads nagging at you constantly.

The iPhone is way more streamlined. It doesn't show you the entire file structure of the phone that would confuse many people. It's build in music app is very well done. The use of iTunes makes syncing is incredibly easy. Some people don't like iTunes, but for those that appreciate it, it's extremely valuable and a perfect compliment for the iPhone. And for users that want file management, there's an option to enable that. You could even download a third party app also.

PDF / ePub Readability, Speed

This one is a big one for me. I do a lot of studying and reading with PDF and ePub files. If Android could do it better, or just do it fairly well, I might have given them stronger consideration. Here's the main problem: Android just does a terrible, terrible job with managing and reading these files. The third party apps are atrocious-looking, way too confusing, and can't even format ePub files well. And naturally, ads are always a click away. I've tried almost all the popular reading apps, and none were even half way decent. You would think that Google's built in app, Google Play Books, could do a decent job? It reads PDF's, and now ePub, I believe also. Has anyone else noticed that PDF's always render so slow, that it's it virtually unusable?? It's beyond words to me. Every app for Android is like that!

Apple does a KILLER job with iBooks. PDF's load extremely quick, and it's very fluid. Studying with ePub files is a DREAM with iBooks. Annotating is amazing. And the app is free. And there's no ads, etc. Managing the files are easy and well thought out. Thank you, Apple, for this necessary and valuable app.



Those are my main reasons. I do have more, but not as big as the ones above. Again, I do not wish to incite a riotous debate. Just expressing my thoughts in a respectful manner.
 

T5BRICK

macrumors G3
Aug 3, 2006
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I'm using iOS currently, but I've used and enjoyed Android devices recently. Your points on security and upgradeability are very exaggerated. Apps like the browser and email client are updated independently from the operating system, so even if the OS isn't completely up to date, the more vulnerable apps are. Additionally, the Galaxy S hasn't been updated because Samsung never released an update. The Nearly identical Nexus S was updated to 4.1.2 in 2012.

iOS is a great mobile OS, but it doesn't have anywhere near the flexibility of Android.
 

boast

macrumors 65816
Nov 12, 2007
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Just for my own curiosity. Do you like having the government play a role in your life choices or do you prefer to take charge on your own?

(I guess thats just an iOS vs Android question restructured)
 

Loyalty4Life

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Aug 28, 2006
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I'm using iOS currently, but I've used and enjoyed Android devices recently. Your points on security and upgradeability are very exaggerated. Apps like the browser and email client are updated independently from the operating system, so even if the OS isn't completely up to date, the more vulnerable apps are. Additionally, the Galaxy S hasn't been updated because Samsung never released an update. The Nearly identical Nexus S was updated to 4.1.2 in 2012.

iOS is a great mobile OS, but it doesn't have anywhere near the flexibility of Android.

The Android OS is fragmented, which creates various problems, both for users and devs. And you are right--it is Samsung's responsibility, and fault, for not caring enough to update the user past Gingerbread. Even though we're at KitKat, things haven't changed since 2010 for Samsung.

And I believe the flexibility you are referring to is useful for power users, and not the majority of it's user base.
 

haruhiko

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Just for my own curiosity. Do you like having the government play a role in your life choices or do you prefer to take charge on your own?

(I guess thats just an iOS vs Android question restructured)

The government dictates that you must receive vaccines when you were a kid. And you'd prefer the freedom to try the feeling of getting those diseases.

Anyway, I don't think the choice of OS has anything to do with politics or the government.
 

Bacong

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Mar 7, 2009
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I prefer iOS over Android for none of the reasons you posted here, really. I prefer the consistency of the OS more than anything, and how it does each function the same way every single time. The apps are also far better. It's just so rare to encounter a problem or lag with iOS.

Android is great too, but the niggling lag and terrible 3rd party apps drove me away. I think most of your reasons are exaggerated or even false. On one breath you mention how Android users don't need a file management app, but neglect to realize most of them don't even care what OS their phone is using. Most people I know weren't even aware that 7.1 was out, and that's a substantial upgrade. I eagerly anticipate updates, most others I know aren't even aware they exist. Sure, it's better that iOS is so global device wise, but most people don't know enough to care.

Also, I think "power user" is a polite way to say "picky". You could call me an Android power user if you want. I rooted, flashed new roms, dabbled in development, etc. I too once championed the features and flexibility of Android over iOS, but once you do enough flashing and rooting you realize that you're merely doing it because you can. I was always looking for a better rom, a more stable rom, a better icon pack, a tweak to fix a visual error, etc. Not only are these things irrelevant on iOS, the problems that I wanted to fix on Android don't exist on iOS. For example, the Moto X had a glitched wifi icon in the top bar that was too far apart from the signal bar:
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Yes, that bugged me. I rooted and went through all that trouble just to fix it (and to remove the carrier label, but that's beside the point)

Apple rarely makes mistakes like that. The Moto X didn't get that fixed until Kit Kat btw, several months after release. I don't know how that gets past testing, but that's just me.

Anyway there are genuine reasons to choose either OS. Mine was based on feel and responsiveness, and stellar 3rd party apps on iOS. I still do want a Nexus 5 to play around with, though :p
 

Robster3

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Dec 13, 2012
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Do I mean to start a big debate?

Guess we will all just agree with you then:) Shame its only a 4 inch screen:(

One more thing a cheaper android and a 4g iPad air is more useful and better value than just a iPhone.
iPhone is way overpriced for what you get and what you can do with the screen. A good camera phone is what you are paying for and when compared to a real camera its crap anyway.
 
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Msail30bay

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Jan 4, 2014
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A nice read and you hit some very good points with iOS vs. Android. It's interesting, people who use Android phone vs. the iPhone users, reminds me of those Mac vs. PC ads. The smart classy Mac guy and the tired dull boring PC guy.
 

Bacong

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that's stupid. an iPad Air with LTE costs 629.99, 20 dollars cheaper than a 16gb iPhone 5s. iPad Air cannot send SMS or make calls. Your logic is that a cheap android phone and an iPad is better than an iPhone. Wow. So, you're pairing a device that is exactly like an iPhone with a bigger screen with a cheap android phone to make calls. Hmm. I don't see the value in spending 900 dollars to carry two devices around rather than spending 649 to carry one (and I could spend even less if I signed a two year contract or financed it)

In one breath you say the iPhone is overpriced for what it gives you. In the next, you suggest spending nearly as
much for a far less portable and less functional tablet (cheaper, larger screen tablets exist) and pairing that with a cheap android phone. Why? Why is the iphone overpriced but the iPad isn't? and why not just get a 10 dollar flip phone if you're going to go that route?
 

easy-peasy

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Here are some of the reasons why I prefer the 5s over any android phone ATM :

1. Touch ID. No other Android comes close to the security & convenience of this. Being able to keep my phone secured with a complex password but also not have to input it every time to unlock my phone is amazing. The fact that you can unlock your iPhone with a single thumb press makes it ultra convenient.

2. Very bright IPS screen. I like keeping my phones a long time so AMOLED doesn't appeal to me as much since the blue pixels tend to burn out over time.

3. Super compact design. The iPhone is the smallest flagship device, something I prefer over the 5"+ android devices for ease of one-handed use.

4. Camera. It's hard to find an Android phone with a better camera. The LG G2 comes close but the phone can't match a lot of the other points listed here.

5. Support. If my phone ever breaks I can make an Apple Store appointment and get a new phone the same day. Good luck getting that with an Android phone.

6. Vertical integration. When updating my phone to the latest OS version I can feel more confident that it will work with minimal bugs knowing that both hardware and software are made by the same company.

7. No carrier interference. US carriers are notorious for delaying the latest Android updates. With the iPhone you don't have to worry as Apple lets you update directly from them the same day they make it available.

8. Company motives. Apple is a company based mostly on hardware sales to make profits which I prefer over Googles method of using their customers personal data to sell targeted ads.

While you might find an android phone that fulfills 1 - 2 of the above the fact is that no android phone accomplishes all of the above like the iPhone does. For example: the Moto X has an OUTSTANDING price a very compact design for one handed use...but the camera isn't as impressive, it has an AMOLED screen, and lacks the same day support if needed.

Of course though my preferences could easily change over time. I don't like the high prices Apple charges compared to hungry competitors like LG or Motorola, I don't like some of the limitations of iOS, and I don't like how Apple doesn't allow gaming emulators the way Android does. If the Moto X2 improves the camera and has a $300 no contract sale like the Moto X did, I could see myself picking one up.
 
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cracksoup

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Mar 26, 2014
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I have an iPhone 5 and a Note 3 today. I finally wanted to try android and I love some certain things with it. However, I can't just accept the amount of unoptimized apps.. This is a problem which will always be present on android due to so many different manufacturers and phone internals. I love to play heavy games on my phone and I've always been able to do that on my iPhones and I was certain that I would be able to keep doing that on a Note 3. After all, it is a mental power house in the phone world. It appears though that my old iPhone 5 runs circles around it in games like dead trigger 2 and real racing 3. It stutters on my Note 3 and the graphics are not even on par with my iPhone 5 from 2012..

As long as this is a problem, I can't see myself buying another android phone and that's just sad. There are so many great things about android but I must have a smooth experience and I can't get that on even the latest hardware while I can get it on old apple hardware.
 

cynics

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Jan 8, 2012
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I also prefer iOS however I never really had an issue with the things you listed.

Never got malware or anything. I feel that's exaggerated problem.

Software upgrades. My Android products have gotten most (not all) OS upgrades. And devices even older then the 3GS are still getting core app updates unlike the 3GS. The different method android uses makes that a wash for me.

I preferred PDF's in Android if only due to a user accessible file system. And the ability to email multiple PDF files in a single email.

Like anything else, different strokes for different folks. I prefer iOS for FaceTime, iMessage, and Airplay plus a couple other things.
 

SHirsch999

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Apr 19, 2011
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that's stupid. an iPad Air with LTE costs 629.99, 20 dollars cheaper than a 16gb iPhone 5s. iPad Air cannot send SMS or make calls. Your logic is that a cheap android phone and an iPad is better than an iPhone. Wow. So, you're pairing a device that is exactly like an iPhone with a bigger screen with a cheap android phone to make calls. Hmm. I don't see the value in spending 900 dollars to carry two devices around rather than spending 649 to carry one (and I could spend even less if I signed a two year contract or financed it)

Yes it can, but not natively. You need to use apps like Skype or Google Voice/Talkatone and have constant internet connectivity. I did it for 6 months prior to splurging on an iPhone, and if you read these forums you will find many examples of this. It's not easy and not for everyone but it definitely is possible.
 
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pedromcm.pm

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Mar 23, 2014
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I'm using iOS currently, but I've used and enjoyed Android devices recently. Your points on security and upgradeability are very exaggerated. Apps like the browser and email client are updated independently from the operating system, so even if the OS isn't completely up to date, the more vulnerable apps are. Additionally, the Galaxy S hasn't been updated because Samsung never released an update. The Nearly identical Nexus S was updated to 4.1.2 in 2012.

iOS is a great mobile OS, but it doesn't have anywhere near the flexibility of Android.

I'm using Android currently, but I've used and enjoyed iOS devices recently. Your points on flexibility are greatly exaggerated. Basic apps like the browser and any email client are way inferior, even if they provide more options. So even if the OS is more flexible (more options), the apps are still inferior. Additionally, nobody uses, cares or buys Nexus phones or use custom ROMs, so Samsung never releasing an update is a huge deal.

Android is a great mobile OS, but it doesn't provide anywhere near the same performance, support, coherent UI and great apps as iOS.
 

T5BRICK

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Aug 3, 2006
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The Android OS is fragmented, which creates various problems, both for users and devs. And you are right--it is Samsung's responsibility, and fault, for not caring enough to update the user past Gingerbread. Even though we're at KitKat, things haven't changed since 2010 for Samsung.

The fragmentation argument is exaggerated as well. Like another poster has already pointed out, there are Android phones out there released prior to the iPhone 3GS that are still receiving core app updates.

Additionally, using the 3GS as an example, it was last sold in 2011 as the low end iPhone. It was shipping with iOS 5.x at that point and missing many features of the iPhone 4 and 4s(fragmentation?). It also only ever received one major system update to iOS 6.x(again, isn't this fragmentation?). We'll probably see the same thing with the iPhone 4 next year. Folks are suspecting that iOS 7.1 may be the end of the line.

And I believe the flexibility you are referring to is useful for power users, and not the majority of it's user base.

You could say that, but at the same time there are non power users who want to do simple things like change the system font, use a 3rd party keyboard(Swiftkey is amazing) or replace the provided messaging app with a 3rd party one. You just can't do those things with iOS without jailbreaking.
 

jimbo1mcm

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I tried the new HTC one (M8 ) yesterday. It's a very nice phone. Most of my Iphone 5S apps work on it. I am returning it because it is ( to me ) HEAVY!!.
The 5S is 113 grams. The HTC one is 160 grams. Picky? Nuts? Maybe, but thats me. I like the feel of a light phone.
 

rui no onna

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While I do prefer the iPhone for a number of reasons (battery, IPS display, camera, no carrier bloat, etc), I disagree on some of your points particularly the File Management. Unless you purposely install an app for file management, users are unlikely to know file management is even possible on Android. Besides, unless you're rooted, you only have access to select folders (/sdcard) so users can't mess up the system files by accident.
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
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I'm using Android currently, but I've used and enjoyed iOS devices recently. Your points on flexibility are greatly exaggerated. Basic apps like the browser and any email client are way inferior, even if they provide more options. So even if the OS is more flexible (more options), the apps are still inferior. Additionally, nobody uses, cares or buys Nexus phones or use custom ROMs, so Samsung never releasing an update is a huge deal.



Android is a great mobile OS, but it doesn't provide anywhere near the same performance, support, coherent UI and great apps as iOS.


I feel your app comments are subjective.

I find the email client in Android to be better if only for the "attachment" button. While I like the email client in iOS it's lacking in functionality. For example it can't send multiple random files. I get around this by using Dropbox on iOS. Not really necessary on Android. But again that's me being subjective because if you don't need to attach a couple PDF files and a zip file to an email then that obviously won't be important to you.

Same with a browser. You can still download the flash apk (albeit not supported any longer by adobe) and visit sites that still use flash (wish I wish would be totally dropped). And easily change your user string to only get desktop versions of web pages that don't have a desktop button.

Plenty of work arounds on iOS but it's easy to get spoiled with those kind of things on competing mobile Os's.
 

eyoungren

macrumors Penryn
Aug 31, 2011
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I am a happy iPhone 5 user and I prefer the iPhone. But a few negative points from me…

Locked down. Apple won't let you customize anything beyond apps, wallpaper and rearranging your icons on the Springboard. They actively fight jailbreaking at every turn and opportunity. I want the iPhone experience, but I want it my way, not the way Apple thinks I should have it. Apple says I can't make calls except from the phone app or respond to a text message except inside the messages app. Jailbreaking says I can make calls or quick reply anywhere, including the lockscreen. Just one example.

Roll back. So far in this thread most people seem to be upate oriented. That's fine, but Apple doesn't even give you the choice. If you're stock and you want to stay on one version and do not want to update you have to ignore the update badge. That's your choice of course and Apple cannot force you to upgrade or update, but neither will they allow you to roll back. Once you make that choice to update or upgrade - you're locked in.

Jailbreaking has managed to get around this until iOS 6 (unless you have an iPhone 4). But even then it has it's limitations. We can all roll back on our computers to the OS the computer came with or is capable of running. But Apple will never let you roll back if you upgraded.

Apple wants to control the user experience because they want you to have a positive experience. It's like a benevolent dictator. But in the end, it's the same. Ultimately, Apple tells you what you can and cannot put on your device. The only control you as a user have is what and when and even when is sometimes debatable.
 

T5BRICK

macrumors G3
Aug 3, 2006
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I'm using Android currently, but I've used and enjoyed iOS devices recently. Your points on flexibility are greatly exaggerated. Basic apps like the browser and any email client are way inferior, even if they provide more options.

You can replace the DEFAULT apps that you don't like with ones that you do. I agree that the default mail and browser apps are pretty poor, but you have the ability to choose a replacement that suits your needs and then tell your phone at a system level that the new app is now the default. You can get close on iOS, but you can't set the replacement apps to default.

As for things like system fonts and alternative keyboards? You just can't do that on iOS. Theses things may not be important to you, but they are to a lot of people.

Additionally, nobody uses, cares or buys Nexus phones or use custom ROMs, so Samsung never releasing an update is a huge deal.

Android is a great mobile OS, but it doesn't provide anywhere near the same performance, support, coherent UI and great apps as iOS.

Nobody huh? That's quite the exaggeration right there. Plenty of people use Nexus phones. Plenty of people use HTC and Motorola phones. Samsung may be the biggest player, but that doesn't rule everyone else out. Looking at global numbers Apple and Samsung make up about 50% of the smartphone sales. That means the other 50% is everyone else. I'm not talking about flashing custom ROMs, and I agree that is a minority, just like the jailbreakers.

Anyway, if Samsung doesn't update their phones, provides a terrible skin on top of the Android UI(TouchWiz...), and that skin is so resource intensive that it poor performance on phones with less than 3GB of RAM...that is a Samsung problem. If people keep buying Samsung devices even with those issues, it says that a large chunk of the market(About 33%...) doesn't care about performance, support, coherent UI or great apps.
 

The Game 161

macrumors Nehalem
Dec 15, 2010
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Obviously it depends on your own person needs but to me why android is better for me

No restrictions
SD card space
Removeable battery
Making it what you want
A screen size I want
Pen features
Multitasking

And thats just off the top of my head...apple works for alot but not for me. They make the phone how they want you to have it. With android you do what you like.
 

HiDEF

macrumors 68000
Jun 23, 2010
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Threads like these are lame and do noting but start a Fanboy war.

I was an iPhone user from 3g all the way to 4S until I got a Note II and I was impressed.

Android is great and those of you who say you've "experienced" Android and didn't like it, probably never experienced a pure Android experience. Sense, TouchWiz and whatever other skins these companies put over Android, suck--plain and simple.

I will admit, Apps on iOS are polished while Android is still catching up but it doesn't ruin the experience.

What I do miss from iOS is iMessage and FaceTIme. And the reason for that is because everyone close to me uses iOS, that's it.

And for the one poster who mentioned about "No Carrier Interference," try a Nexus device; Google pushes their updates directly to those devices.
 
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