why i'm leery of lion

[kuwisdelu]

Apple has just reduced a crowd of pro video editors at NAB to the point of teenage girl-like cheergasms. I think it's safe to say they won't be leaving the Pro market any time soon.

 

[ErikGrim]

Indeed. Has all the features talked about too, in fact touting that it's using Grand Central Dispatch for superior performance.

What I do want to know though is what is going to happen with the rest of the studio. I spend 90% of edit time in Motion, so FCP X isn't as exciting for me as I'd hoped it would be.

 

[maclaptop]

Yes, but that there is my beef exactly, always talking about "dumbing down" and how some people are evidently the "pro users" and whatnot. They sound to me like those dinosaurs who still lurk the internet, full of pride because they can handle pointers and full of disgust for those who prefer automatic garbage collection (not that the two are specifically related).
As far as I see it, Lion isn't even out yet. As far as I can tell, they have done no such thing as remove some critical OMFG feature which would make it impossible to navigate OS X through anything but Launchpad.
So what is all the fuss about? Why do some of those "pro users" need to distinguish themselves so from what they see is "consumer" market?
If I profile code and try to read IL-code, does that make me a pro user? If someone uses Photoshop for their job vis a vis their hobby, does that make that person a pro user?
It almost seems as if these "pro users" feel their technical prowess to be less relevant in an operating system which tries to make things simple, and they don't like it.
And as far as not knowing what they want: they may very well be the most intelligent engineers that have ever graced our planet, that does not make them visionaries. If you're stuck into doing things a certain way for too lang, you tend to loose sight of other ways to go about it. If what you were saying was actually generally true, there would be a lot more companies bringing out tech that shocks the market, instead of just one at the moment.

Your negative, verbose response to a post that simply shares some thoughts and experiences is very revealing.

 

[dethmaShine]

Apple has just reduced a crowd of pro video editors at NAB to the point of teenage girl-like cheergasms. I think it's safe to say they won't be leaving the Pro market any time soon.

 

[pcmxa]

Apple has just reduced a crowd of pro video editors at NAB to the point of teenage girl-like cheergasms. I think it's safe to say they won't be leaving the Pro market any time soon.

Ok, an aside, but can I ask exactly what they were cheergasming about? As far as I can tell it introduces a few features found in other editors in a slick looking package. And that is what bothers me. I seriously can't find out why most people using either Adobe's Premier or Apple's Final Cut Pro or Vegas, or Avid do so. What are the strengths and weaknesses of each platform? What are the advantages of one editor over another? Specifically, what are the advantages that someone trying to make something, say, thats going to be projected from a HD projector? What are the advantages for someone shooting a TV commercial? What are the advantages for someone filming a movie meant to sen by mass market audiences? In everyday professional usage, what makes one a better editor to use? Not specs and stats and obscure never used features, but if I want to achieve X, why should I use Y?

Or even better, why should I like Final Cut X more than Final Cut 7. How does it improve workflow? What new features does it bring? How do those relate to its competitors? Why should I stay in the family, rather than switching to someone else? I am not a consumer, but a user. When everyone is selling, why should I buy your product. How will it help me to make what I need to make?

Or to bring it back to Lion. Wouldn't it be interesting if on Apple's website, when they are listing the features (the Grid of Apps or Mission Control or whatever the hell they are calling it) they said something along the lines of " We are combining Expose with Spaces to give you four finger flick access to every application window in every space..." Instead they have a list of things that I am looking at going "well how the is launchpad different than the app folder in my dock set to grid view?" "How is Versions different than a per doc version of Time Machine (which can work that way now)?" How is autosave different than Lightroom or any of the other programs that automatically record everything you do as you do them? Instead I get corporate fluff. And poor fluff at that.

I love OS X's UI. And I love the care and design of the hardware. I hate that there seem to be otherwise competent people who go to Apple events and have cheergasms over what appears to me to be minor improvements to Final Cut Pro, especially in light of the competition's abilities. If people blindly cheer, if people aren't critical, there is no reason for Apple to continue to make the superior product that they have.

If you are going to ask for my money, and more importantly my time, please have the courtesy on you website to give me a couple of honest sentences about how Mission Control improves spaces and Expose, about how Launchpad improves the applications folder in the dock, about, well, anything.

And for god's sake, if you have actually improved anything besides UI, like say made a new attempt at Open CL (which I still am crossing my fingers for), or say, in how apps, particularly non-apple apps might engage the hardware, tell me about that too.

 

[ErikGrim]

tl;dr

FFS. Use, then make up your own mind. Don't rely on people to tell you what to do and like.

 

[pcmxa]

FFS. Use, then make up your own mind. Don't rely on people to tell you what to do and like.

I do. And that is why I am here . I would just like some basic information straight from the companies. Something more than PR and something unfiltered through other people's mistaken impressions. It would be nice is all.

Is there a trial version of Final Cut? I couldn't find it. Is it easily possible to try new a new OS and then change your mind? (I know you can and I do clone my boot drive before every major change).

Just some drunken ramblings anyway.

 

[Soliber]

Your negative, verbose response to a post that simply shares some thoughts and experiences is very revealing.

It reveals I'm utterly annoyed by e-snobs.
It's all very nice if you've mastered a complex piece of software, but if tomorrow that piece of software is transformed in a way that new people need not clear as much hurdles as you to attain the same results, that's a positive thing. Not something to be all up in arms about, or look down your nose about.
Besides, my post was a general rant born out of me reading certain comments here and elsewhere, not aimed at any one person here

 

[Hastings101]

Fullscreen and new app launchers are too aesthetically pleasing and geared toward the masses! This continuing evolution in the ease of mainstream computing is an insult to my hard-earned technical prowess! Why would they add these new finger gestures when these keyboard shortcuts have been working for me for years??? Rabble rabble and so forth and so on!

My complaint is not that they're too good looking or geared toward the masses, but that full screen on the Mac doesn't seem to fit with the current idea of multitasking on OS X and that we already have stacks to do the same thing as Launchpad

 

[satkin2]

I don't see how adding the new features to Lion can be a bad thing, sure they may take some time to be implemented by developers, but if the OS provides the framework to make these easier to introduce then it's good to see Apple doing it.

Sure we're not likely to see ssome wows straight out of the box such as Time Machine was with Leopard, but what features can they add like this?

What features like this would you want that can be built in to the OS and require no later development to make the useful?