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Why is Android app optimisation still so poor?
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If it had been left at that so be it, but to go further and say that I am spewing nonsense is what pushed it. Remember my original post was not directed at anyone in particular, just based on what I have experienced with Android. What makes his nonsense more valid than mine? Was it necessary or couldn't he have just disagreed?
Your post was based on misinformation, intentionally designed to mislead the reader. So yes, your post was indeed nonsense. Android has its flaws, but stability is not one of them....then you resorted to name calling...
Fail. I said that it is the same unstable resource hog its always been, from that I would gather that this person has used the OS enough to determine how it was and is at its present state. I understand that you are having difficulty with this. There are plenty of Android forums for you to go to and pet fellow happy Android users. I didn't call you anything, what I said was that you are committing untruth to yourself is all.
So basically what you're saying is, you have nothing intelligent to say. Since that has been established, I will act accordingly. Have a nice day.
Yes i am familiar with the fact that there are management tools available.
However, with iOS we don't need them as badly. The device is locked down by default. There's far less need to actually "deploy" anything. As soon as they connect to our exchange server we get remote wipe, and the user can't install third party un-vetted garbage software by default.
And, don't you think that google may just have a little bias with regards to the platform they run? You may as well ask why tim cook isn't running an android phone
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You clearly have no idea how running multiple platforms with different applications and different vendor support for OS upgrades affects real world support costs.
Anyone who actually has to make decisions regarding enterprise platforms will get what I'm talking about.
I don't need to be dealing with stuff like this, when there are other platforms that are less exposed to third party malware out of the box:
http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/news/2240167459/Google-no-longer-playing-with-Android-malware
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2018...n-u-s-face-more-malware-attacks-than-pcs.html
There is NO BUSINESS CASE for any of the stuff android can do vs. iOS to justify supporting it as an enterprise phone platform for us.
Waiting until "perceived theoretical issues" become real world problems AFTER deployment costs money. Risk vs reward, there is no reward and additional risk. It's a no brainer.
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Do you honestly think this "bias" would have them risk data security? I don't think you understand how seriously Google takes data security, and the types of measures that are taken to make sure data remains secure.
Most apps seem to be okay, if a little sluggish every now and again, but some are just awful.. Tapatalk comes to mind. On my old S3 and the Nexus 7 it's just so slow, always getting stuck whilst scrolling, takes a long time to load threads, navigate, etc.
I'd be interested to know if it's actually smooth on any Android device!
I'd be interested to know if it's actually smooth on any Android device!
Strange, Tapatalk performs fine for me on both my Nexus 7 and S2. And now they've released Tapatalk HD for tablets it makes much better use of the screen size. Certainly don't have any issues with scrolling or page loads on either device for me.
Just tried it on the N7 and it seems to be smoother now, maybe one of the recent updates has improved it. About a month ago it was really choppy.
Were you using Tapatalk (original that came out years ago) or Tapatalk 2? I have only used Tapatalk 2 for the last 8 months on an S3, Note2 and a 16gb and 32gb Nexus 7, and have never had issues. This is using any ROM as well, regardless if it was stock 4.0.x, 4.1.x or now custom 4.2.1. The program is so lite of features and strips away all the garbage you would normally get on a web page that it is always going to be fluid. Sounds like there was something else causing your issue a month ago, not the app?
I agree with this, until recently Tapatalk 2 has been sort of choppy for me also (Nexus 4 and SGS3) It must have been a recent update that has rectifies it because after trying it just now there is no lag.
I have no problems with any of the other apps I use.It looked similar the one I've got now, so I guess Tapatalk 2.
In fact, somebody said to turn off background updating in Google Currents as that caused some lag. Maybe that actually helped
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I agree with this, until recently Tapatalk 2 has been sort of choppy for me also (Nexus 4 and SGS3) It must have been a recent update that has rectifies it because after trying it just now there is no lag.
Maybe it actually was Tapatalk after all then! It definitely seems quicker now anyway.
Everything you have said in this post is completely reasonable except to linking to that article. If Android isn't suitable for your particular enterprise that is completely understandable.
You then went and ruined the credibility of your post by linking to this article. If you actually believe those malware statistics from an Antivirus company then you're sillier than your previously logical and well reasoned post led me to believe.
Edit: 1/4 of all the "malware" Sophos claimed to have found on Android devices is "Andr/DrSheep-A" which is similar to the desktop tool Firesheep. This is a tool used to sniff facebook cookies on the local network and is a tool that the phone user would have intentionally installed for that purpose.
This is a pretty good indicator of their almost non-existent criteria for calling something "malware". That software isn't to the detriment of the phone owner and I wonder what other examples like this are making up the bulk of their 10 percent claim.
Their whole business model involves scaring the consumer into installing their software.
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don't know how many times this has to be said but the only thing that is smooth about Jellybean is the UI. That's right ppl the UI not the apps. It's up to the devs to make their apps not laggy and this is a fact and a lot of the devs don't care. This has been talked about on XDA a lot but ppl seem to not let it soak in. Scrolling through Netflix on Jellybean is so laggy it hurts my eyes just to find a movie. I sold my tablet so I don't know if they fixed it but highly unlikely since Netflix scrolling has always been laggy on Android. To say Jellybean is smooth is utter ******** and ppl need to stop lying because like I said it's Google's UI that is smooth.
Strange....i recall studying C++ during my first and second year eng courses at U of T and the guy who taught us (mind you, he is the research chair and award winner from both US and Canadian institutions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parham_Aarabi), told us how it was vital for us as developers of efficient code to know our memory footprint and do the memory handling ourselves.
I must say though, during my somewhat love and hate tenure with Java, C++, Python and Perl, i do not see why Java was favored by Google. It is bloated and inefficient to C coding (and its variants) and a pain for many things. If google ever did an android re-write in another "better" langauge suited for mobile resources, may be the apps and OS would not still be second class to iOS (or dare i say it, WP8).
It is this sad state of apps that everytime i have to go back to the iPhone even though i hate iTunes with a passion. The note 2 is one of the greatest devices ever IMO, but it annoyed me to the extent that i had to go back to an iPhone (funny enough, the iPhone now annoys me somewhat so much that i want the note 2 again, but then after using one of the apps on it i realize i have to wait another year or so
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Wow, you did some software development courses at university and you honestly can't work out why Google chose Java as the development framework for Android?
Hint: Have a think about how many different hardware variants (in particular CPU variants) Android gets installed on and then consider how the hardware abstraction offered by Dalvik VM might be a massive benefit in that endeavour.
After you've done that, then have a read about the Android Native Development Kit (NDK), which does allow you to use C/C++ code in your Android applications:
http://developer.android.com/tools/sdk/ndk/index.html
This bit is uninformed opinion being carefully slotted into your post as if it were generally accepted fact. I don't believe that they are second class.
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The UI isn't even smooth on one of Google's current flagship tablets. I'm not sure what the N10 is like, but the N7 is horrible. Plus what you said is right, it's even worse within a lot of apps. Try scrolling through results or transitioning between pages in Billabong Live- yuck. You're also right about devs not really caring, a lot of apps I use on a regular basis simply aren't on Android, the ones that were available were mostly horrible iPhone ports with reused iOS assets and awful performance. Some were ok, but lacked a few of the features the iOS versions had, or simply weren't as smooth.
I've had my SGS3 for 6 months and it seems as fast the day I got it. When I got the JB update last month, it improved the smoothness of the phone.
With my older phone (HTC Desire Z) I did notice it slowed down after setting up my home screen with various widgets and installing some more apps. The DZ is an older and slower device, so once I made it do more work with the stuff on my home screens, it was noticeably slower than brand new. However, I did not notice it getting slower over time once I installed most of the apps that I have used over the year and a half that I have owned it.
My only experience with iOS is my wife's, and in-laws' iPhones. I'm pretty much their first line tech support for their phones. They pretty much uses it as a phone only, so they do not really push the limits of their devices in terms of processing power.
In general, people I know who own older devices (2 years or more) for much more than calling and texting have told me that they experience slow downs after some time. Users of both older Android and iOS have experienced these slow downs.
Stability wise, I would say the SGS3 is much more stable than my DZ. I have not use an iPhone enough to give a proper assessment of it. My father-in-law have had some issues with stability on his iPhone 4 for the first few months. He ended up getting it replaced with a new one and hasn't complained to me about stability issues since.
I'm sure you did. I love how everyone on here is either a developer or knows a developer. Also amusing how all the developers dont like coding for Android
Why don't you give MacTalk podcast a listen and you can here straight from the developers mouth why Android is such a hassle.
Whats wrong with you?
Let me get this straight, a developer on Apple orientated podcast telling me that he prefers to develop for ios?
Guess what, check out AndroidTalk podcasts and listed to why developers prefer to develop for Android.
Sheesh, whats wrong with you?!