i have a pearl with tmo as well, and i notice approximately a 2 to 5 minute delay on my emails appearing on the pearl. i am using the Blackberry Internet Service email to tie into my POP3 accounts, not the Enterprise server.
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Why is push email so important?
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i have a pearl with tmo as well, and i notice approximately a 2 to 5 minute delay on my emails appearing on the pearl. i am using the Blackberry Internet Service email to tie into my POP3 accounts, not the Enterprise server.
Perhaps it doesn't mean that much vs POP3 pickup if you're getting the el cheapo non corporate push services which deal purely with incoming email into one account.
For me, it means access to my entire Exchange inbox(es, as I have my own push server and multiple handsets) in a current state as well as my calendar and contacts. My assistant can update the calendar/contacts / email invitations to meetings, etc and it appears right there on my phones. Any changes I make are reflected back to the Exchange server.
For me, it means access to my entire Exchange inbox(es, as I have my own push server and multiple handsets) in a current state as well as my calendar and contacts. My assistant can update the calendar/contacts / email invitations to meetings, etc and it appears right there on my phones. Any changes I make are reflected back to the Exchange server.
You make a good point that different usage patterns will drive different efficiencies, but there is a key difference that you left out. It's not the auth, but the UIDL map that generates a lot of network traffic. If you leave your email on the server, then that UIDL map can get quite long. If you use a Blackberry Server, It's more efficient to have that wired server check the UIDL map on your POP3 accounts and then push just the changes over the wireless network.
IMAP is more efficient, but push with IMAP isn't standardized yet either.
I'm confused. It's been 6 years or since I had a Blackberry, but my understanding is that Blackberry *is* push email. The Blackberry server polls your POP3 accounts and then uses a proprietary protocol to push the changes out to the mobile client.
This seems to go back to your thought that 'less emails = more quality relationships', which I think is a fairly broad and ignorant assumption.
Well, I suppose if a 2 to 5 minute delay is an issue a phone call might be appropriate.
T-Mobile offers up to 10 incoming accounts. I use 3. Two POP3 and one IMAP. All for $19.99/month.
I stand corrected regarding my comment in the post above. I should have done some more research before spouting off. If your company uses Microsoft Exchange Server or Lotus Notes/Domino I can see how Push would benefit you. For the rest of the world though, I can't see the justification for the additional expense - with T-Mobile it would be $29.99/month for the Enterprise package. With Cingular it's $34.99 for Personal unlimited and $49.99 for Enterprise unlimited. Quite a big difference in price there between the two carriers. I'll be interested to see how they whack the new iPhone users...
The reasoning for the delay is that BIS doesn't check POP3 and IMAP accounts constantly. It checks those every few minutes and then pushes those to your phone. I have an IMAP account setup on mine and the delay is usually a few minutes.
If you really need those e-mails pushed to you immediately, you could forward them to your phone's address (whatever@something.blackberry.net)
And i'm a student, hardly in the corporate world or anything, and I can't live without push e-mail. Being able to read and write e-mail anywhere I am is awesome.
If you really need those e-mails pushed to you immediately, you could forward them to your phone's address (whatever@something.blackberry.net)
And i'm a student, hardly in the corporate world or anything, and I can't live without push e-mail. Being able to read and write e-mail anywhere I am is awesome.
Well yes you can....but then you waste alot of battery power checking every ten minutes or so. Also the bandwidth of checking the servers every 10 minutes stacks up with phones.
Extra $20 a month on T-Mobile
And that 20 bucks isn't just e-mail, it's unlimited internet. So I can chat on AIM or MSN, browse the net, etc.
I have the same thing. That's not enterprise. And therefor not push.Extra $20 a month on T-Mobile
And that 20 bucks isn't just e-mail, it's unlimited internet. So I can chat on AIM or MSN, browse the net, etc.
The Blackberry Internet service is still push. The server polls your email accounts and then pushes email to the Blackberry based on your filters, etc. The Enterprise Server communicates the same way with the Blackberry, it just connects to your corporate email system natively, instead of using POP3 or IMAP.
I have a BlackBerry Pearl and Push is no longer necessary. With T-Mobile at least, I can use my pop3 e-mail accounts and they get picked up by my BlackBerry sooner than they hit my Mac.
Push is a thing of the past. But then again, corporate America is just realizing there's a new BlackBerry with a trackball in the middle instead of a scroll wheel on the side. The CEO's are going to have to re-learn BrickBreaker
Same thing on my Treo, every 5 mins. it goes and looks for my mail from two different accounts, thats very cool.
Though, everything else about the phone sucks.
all the best,
Sean
According to T-Mobile's CEO, Consumer "Push" is on the way. Apparently BIS is not it (at least according to their definition).
February 13, 2007 - After rolling out push e-mail service to its enterprise customers, T-Mobile International now plans to extend the offering to the consumer market, in addition to launching a number of new "community" services. The consumer push e-mail service was one of several announcements T-Mobile International CEO Hamid Akhavan made Tuesday during a news conference at the 3GSM World Congress in Barcelona.
"We plan a new service that will push e-mail to consumers; this could become a very huge market," Akhavan said.
I average ~50 emails a day during the slow half of the year; during the busy time that goes up to 100+ easy.
I have no blackberry or other cell service that allows me to access email. And frankly, I don't want it!
I have no blackberry or other cell service that allows me to access email. And frankly, I don't want it!
BIS is push. I think what that article is talking about is push services to other phones, not just BBs, since that article makes no mention of BBs which already are push.
There's 2 ways of getting e-mail on your phone, push and pull.
Pull is what every computer based mail client does. You set up your accounts, and every X minutes, it checks said accounts for new mail. I think many phones operate on the pull method.
BlackBerry is push. Rather than the phone checking every now and then, new e-mails get pushed to your phone via BIS. Just like SMS or even a phone call. Imagine if your cell phone had to check with the network every 5 minutes to see if there was a call waiting for you. When you get an e-mail, your provider locates your phone on the network (much like when someone calls your number) and sends the e-mail over. As mentioned before, this saves battery life and bandwidth.
Now, the BIS servers that monitor your mailbox pull, which is basically their only option for external mail servers (with the exception of GMail, @blackberry.net addresses, and possibly enterprise BES). But the method of getting e-mails to your device, which is all most are concerned about, is push.
I have a feeling that article is talking about other devices, so maybe if you have a basic non-smart phone, you'll be able to set up push through T-Mobile rather than configure a client on the phone.