Why Isn't iphone OS Licensed?

[pellets007]

You don't seem like you're so content with you iPhone considering you said it had "horrible specs." Whether you like it or not, the iPhone is going to rank highly in nearly every hardware category. Sure, a handful of phones beat it in some aspects, but never all. The biggest issue always has been and will continue to be AT&T. Not that everybody has a problem with AT&T, but a lot of iPhone owners do.

I did not buy it for what the hardware offered.

 

[sushi]

On the computer side of the house:

- Apple business model is to make money on hardware sales.

- Software such as the OS is an enabler for sales.

Why would we expect the iPod line up or the iPhone line up be any different?

 

[-aggie-]

Because this is the internet and it's far easier than writing about ISOs, shutter, autofocus, optical zooms, and flash.

I do not believe so. Like I said, I own an iPhone and am content with it. But I am aware that there are devices in the market, available to me at this moment, that offer better hardware-based features. The selling point for me and many others are the limitless features that the software can provide. But I suppose before the App store someone would call me crazy for wishing a phone had tens of thousands of different capabilities all written and sold by the users of the phone. Alas how times have changed.

Phones are no longer just phones. If the previous statement were false then we would not have a need for the expensive phones on the market.

I'm not really following how you are content with the iPhone with all that you are saying in this thread. Why don't you go get one of the phones you keep touting? You say you aren't a troll, but you sure sound like one.

 

[pellets007]

I'm not really following how you are content with the iPhone with all that you are saying in this thread. Why don't you go get one of the phones you keep touting? You say you aren't a troll, but you sure sound like one.

Are you aware of a phone that offers me an App store that trumps the one built for the iPod Touch/iPhone? I was trying to answer the OP's question in that software is the driving point of this phone. I'm truly unsure how it was misconstrued otherwise.

I'm not trying to come across as rude here, but; what exactly does that have to do with what I wrote?

I did not take it as such. While megapixels don't give an accurate representation of the quality pictures a phone can take, it shows the true purpose or highlight of that individual phone. I purposely did not fit in the word "camera" in the previous statement because all cameras have the same function, as do all phones-the rest is simply feature.

 

[thelatinist]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not here to troll...

Sadly, accidental trolling happens far too often. Best to say nothing at all.

 

[str1f3]

Would you like me to begin listing devices with 8 megapixel cameras? How about stereo speakers and larger screens? Physical keyboards? The iPhone never received video capabilities until the third generation and phones have come a long way since then.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not here to troll the iPhone (as I do own an 8GB 3G) but the specs simply don't stack up with other phones that are available on the market.


Indeed, these are the parts, including the flash drive, that iPhone excels in. The form factor is of good repute judging by all of the similar modeled phones that have emerged.

This is utter nonsense. You count MP and in a following post linking to the android forums showing pics. The extra MP the Droid has is useless. MP only relate to the size of the photo and not the quality. If you actually sit back and compare the quality, they are both the same and the 3GS actually shows better color accuracy. If anything the most important part of a camera is the lens and phone lens, no matter how high the MP count, will always pale in comparison. It is why you see lens cost as much or more than the actual camera itself.

As to stereo speakers, who cares? Are you hosting a house party with your cell as the sound system? LOL, you linked to the N81 which has almost everything going against it except the stereo speakers.

Why would anyone want a larger screen? Do you want a cellphone you need to two hands to use or does the .2" bigger screen the Droid gives you really float your boat? As to the soft keyboard, comically enough, users requested that this be built into the Android OS even when they had a physical keyboard on the G1. I type faster on virtual keyboard than on the traditional one.


Lastly you mention video capabilities but what most people consider the best phones now did not come out with video until after the iPhone. Even the Pre doesn't have video. Windows Mobile and Nokia phones may have had video before even the first iPhone but no one uses them now. You also shouldn't be talking about the past. We are ultimately comparing the 3GS against other phones out right now.

Did you notice through your posts that you did not mention one phone that was superior to the iPhone specwise but pieced together 5 or 6 different phones across at least 3 OSs?

If you are talking about limitations and specs you could also talk about the Droid (along with every other Android handset) only having the ability to install 256MB worth of apps. That is the worst spec of all.

 

[pellets007]

Sadly, accidental trolling happens far too often. Best to say nothing at all.

I'm embarrassed to say that I looked up the definition of trolling and agreed. Showing the slightest bit of dissatisfaction towards the iPhone-without purposeful intent-ended unfavorably.

You count MP and in a following post linking to the android forums showing pics.

It was sarcasm.

MP only relate to the size of the photo and not the quality.

Indeed, I mentioned that earlier.

As to stereo speakers, who cares?

Perhaps you should gander down a few threads about the defective speaker in one user's iPhone. It's not defective, it's just not all that hot. Plenty of users care.

Why would anyone want a larger screen?

A larger screen in a smaller form is usually appreciated. In fact, it's one of the only things people here agree with me about.

Lastly you mention video capabilities but what most people consider the best phones did not come out with video until after the iPhone. Even the Pre doesn't have video.

The point was not to belittle the video capabilities of the iPhone but rather show that Apple chose to omit key features in their phone from the get-go. You saw with the original iPhone the lack of 3G while plenty of standard phones already had this capability. Then user's were complaining about the lack of video. The purpose of that statement was to show that Apple has not always been good about keeping up with modern features despite showcasing them as such. It was only recently that user's complaints were quelled. So where do we go from here? People are obviously content with the screen, speakers, camera, and video.

Did you notice through your posts that you did not mention one phone that was superior to the iPhone specwise but pieced together 5 or 6 different phones across at least 3 OSs?

I believe it was already mentioned that several phones best the iPhone in certain categories but fall flat in others. This would also happen to be the reason for consumer differentiation and why each person buys a phone that fits his or her needs. I never said that there is one phone superior (and never did I say that one phone has all of these features) to all, and I am unsure why you are taking so much out of that.

For what it's worth, OP, I'm sorry that I turned your thread into a debate about superior functionality in modern smart phones.

 

[Consultant]

Windows, the only area Microsoft's licensing is considered a success is:
- acquired using anti-competitive practices
- not replicable in other markets, for example, MS failed with their music player platform (play for sure) & MS failed with Windows Mobile.

Licensing, aka Windows Mobile surely went well.
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q1.07/50755EA6-A759-42FD-84ED-EBB5A060AF16.html

Why Android licensed platform will not out perform iPhone.
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/...roid-and-apples-iphone-os-as-business-models/


Specs do not equal to usability.

iPhone is rated the best consumer and business smart phone.
http://obamapacman.com/2009/10/stud...ction-for-consumer-business-smartphone-users/

 

[robanga]

Yeah...I see no business reason for Apple to pursue this course. While it would be nice as a user to get the OS on some whacky or niche type products, there would be no advantage and potentially lots of headaches for Apple to do this. Apple controls the user experience, Steve Jobs killed the last Apple clones on his return. Don't see it happening.

 

[str1f3]

Then you should have mentioned and I also mentioned others reasons as to what makes a camera actually perform better beyond MP.

Perhaps you should gander down a few threads about the defective speaker in one user's iPhone. It's not defective, it's just not all that hot.

That was not your point. You wanted the iPhone to have stereo speakers which is essentially pointless in such small speakers. Most would actually argue the speakers aren't loud enough (a la BB) and not about the audio quality.

A larger screen in a smaller form is usually appreciated. In fact, it's one of the only things people here agree with me about.

Whether others disagree doesn't mean anything to me. I'd argue the same point with them. At some point a cellphones' screen is way too big. I have big hands and still have to situate my hand to reach the opposing side of the screen. How do you think women, who tend to have small hands, would handle a screen size increase when the phone is already large for them?

The point was not to belittle the video capabilities that the iPhone has but rather show that Apple has chose to omit key features in phone from the get-go. You saw with the original iPhone the lack of 3G while plenty of standard phones already had this capability. Then user's were complaining about the lack of video. The purpose of that statement was to show that Apple has not always been good about keeping up with modern features despite showcasing them as such. It was only recently that user's complaints were quelled. So where do we go from here? People are obviously content with the screen, speakers, camera, and video.

I don't take it as you belittling anyone or anything. It is an argument is the most gentleman sense of the word. If you insulted people, I'll take it a different way. Yes, the iPhone left out video and some other features as well. My suggestion to you is to read the Wired column of how the iPhone came to be in the leading up to it Macworld showing. They were rushing to get this OS stable and ready. Jobs was switching between 3 different iPhones through the keynote. Now while the original iPhone did not have all the features everyone wanted it was the first model of the product and it's a little unfair. Even while it may not have as many features as others, it is still considered by respectable tech people a being the best all around smart phone. Remember also that other iPhone killers like the G1 or Pre did not have these features as well.

I believe it was already mentioned that several phones best the iPhone is certain categories but fall flat in others. This would also happen to be the reason for consumer differentiation and why each person buys a phone that fits her or her needs.

This is not the argument you made. You said in almost a matter-of-fact way that the specs were better on other products. I disagree. No I did not read every single post in the thread cause it's Saturaday night on the holiday weekend and I've got other things to do. I thought it best to just respond because I disagreed.

 

[mrochester]

Then you should have mentioned and I also mentioned others reasons as to what makes a camera actually perform better beyond MP.



That was not your point. You wanted the iPhone to have stereo speakers which is essentially pointless in such small speakers. Most would actually argue the speakers aren't loud enough (a la BB) and not about the audio quality.



Whether others disagree doesn't mean anything to me. I'd argue the same point with them. At some point a cellphones' screen is way too big. I have big hands and still have to situate my hand to reach the opposing side of the screen. How do you think women, who tend to have small hands, would handle a screen size increase when the phone is already large for them?




I don't take it as you belittling anyone or anything. It is an argument is the most gentleman sense of the word. If you insulted people, I'll take it a different way. Yes, the iPhone left out video and some other features as well. My suggestion to you is to read the Wired column of how the iPhone came to be in the leading up to it Macworld showing. They were rushing to get this OS stable and ready. Jobs was switching between 3 different iPhones through the keynote. Now while the original iPhone did not have all the features everyone wanted it was the first model of the product and it's a little unfair. Even while it may not have as many features as others, it is still considered by respectable tech people a being the best all around smart phone. Remember also that other iPhone killers like the G1 or Pre did not have these features as well.



This is not the argument you made. You said in almost a matter-of-fact way that the specs were better on other products. I disagree. No I did not read every single post in the thread cause it's Saturaday night on the holiday weekend and I've got other things to do. I thought it best to just respond because I disagreed.

Please stop trolling, you've done nothing but attack every single word this poster has typed.

 

[thelatinist]

Please stop trolling, you've done nothing but attack every single word this poster has typed.

Disagreeing != trolling

 

[mrochester]

Disagreeing != trolling

It's the manner in which it is done that's the problem. The person stating that the iPhone specs have never been the best has done so in a polite and constructive manner, only to be ripped to shreds by someone who has come in all guns blazing. Unfortunately, I doubt anything will be done about it since the all guns blazing person is fiercly pro Apple in this debate, and it seems to be OK around here for pro Apple people to post aggressively in a troll like manner.

 

[rhett7660]

It's the manner in which it is done that's the problem. The person stating that the iPhone specs have never been the best has done so in a polite and constructive manner, only to be ripped to shreds by someone who has come in all guns blazing. Unfortunately, I doubt anything will be done about it since the all guns blazing person is fiercly pro Apple in this debate, and it seems to be OK around here for pro Apple people to post aggressively in a troll like manner.

Did you even care to read the entire thread before you decided to jump on your high horse about people who are fiercly pro apple?

 

[mrochester]

Did you even care to read the entire thread before you decided to jump on your high horse about people who are fiercly pro apple?

I did indeed, and it was immediately apparent that the pro Apple person has responded very aggressively, in a troll like manner, to a person who has been courteous and polite throughout. But like I said, that'll probably be deemed OK simply because of which side of the debate they are on.