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Hear hear! A DVD burner seems like an extra people should pay more for if they want it (or less if they don't, whichever works for you)

You're an extreme minority... Even my mother wants to burn DVDs! Make it standard!
 
If Apple made it standard I don't see them changing the price of the base Macbook. I mean if we are talking about htings people want, why can't I get a BD RW/ROM drive? Or why can't I get a slower processor (longer battery life)? I mean if it was all about choice then where are those options? If it was all about money then where are those option?
 
One could argue why do we need an iSight? most people probably never use it. i've never met anyone who has used video chats or anything more than a couple quick shots so why add that in? Take off $200 for the iSight. Oh wait why do I need an airport card? 90% of people connect via ethernet anyway. Why do we need bluetooth? an even smaller number even use that. I mean we can go on forever =)
 
Anyone who thinks it isn't ridiculous is absolutely an Apple apologist who needs to get over themselves. I wanted the ability to burn DVDs, so I went for the middle model. And that's exactly what they wanted. *sigh* But I wasn't going to have to get an external burner for my portable computer.
 
Anyone who thinks it isn't ridiculous is absolutely an Apple apologist who needs to get over themselves. I wanted the ability to burn DVDs, so I went for the middle model. And that's exactly what they wanted. *sigh* But I wasn't going to have to get an external burner for my portable computer.

OK, but you also got a faster processor and a bigger HD. You didn't pay extra $$$ just for the ability to burn DVDs. The Combo drive makes sense for a lot of people, at a lower cost.
 
OK, but you also got a faster processor and a bigger HD. You didn't pay extra $$$ just for the ability to burn DVDs. The Combo drive makes sense for a lot of people, at a lower cost.

It costs Apple almost nothing more to give you a superdrive, its an artificial cost...
 
You're an extreme minority... Even my mother wants to burn DVDs! Make it standard!

Are you listening? Who wants to pay for something they don't use?

If you want it, you have to pay more! That's how it is now and that's acceptable. If Apple wants to include DVDRW as standard, that forces everyone who doesn't want one to have one, paying an excess for something they never use - hell, I can't have used the disc drive period more than ten times, I'd get along fine if it wasn't there.

Haven't you told her about external HDs? Or the ubiquity of flash USB memory sticks? Come on, try to keep up.
 
Are you listening? Who wants to pay for something they don't use?

If you want it, you have to pay more! That's how it is now and that's acceptable. If Apple wants to include DVDRW as standard, that forces everyone who doesn't want one to have one, paying an excess for something they never use - hell, I can't have used the disc drive period more than ten times, I'd get along fine if it wasn't there.

Haven't you told her about external HDs? Or the ubiquity of flash USB memory sticks? Come on, try to keep up.

If Apple made it standard I don't see them changing the price of the base Macbook. I mean if we are talking about htings people want, why can't I get a BD RW/ROM drive? Or why can't I get a slower processor (longer battery life)? I mean if it was all about choice then where are those options? If it was all about money then where are those option?
One could argue why do we need an iSight? most people probably never use it. i've never met anyone who has used video chats or anything more than a couple quick shots so why add that in? Take off $200 for the iSight. Oh wait why do I need an airport card? 90% of people connect via ethernet anyway. Why do we need bluetooth? an even smaller number even use that. I mean we can go on forever =)



See that argument works for more than the DVD drive. I want a Mac Notebook that can last 7 hours like the ones that exist for Windows can. Where is my extended battery? Where is my SD card reader? So on and so on. You claim that Apple is offering choice, when in reality they are not. If they were then where are all the other choices I quoted?
 
It's laughable to imply Apple is offering "choice" by removing the ability to burn DVDs from their cheapest laptops. If there's anything you lose in working on OS X software and OS X hardware compared to Windows, it's choice. They're simply making Superdrives (things that come standard on $500 laptops) a premium package. It's like giving someone the "choice" of paying $11 for unleaded v. $13 for premium, while every other gas station is offering $5 flat. Some choice!
 
It's laughable to imply Apple is offering "choice" by removing the ability to burn DVDs from their cheapest laptops. If there's anything you lose in working on OS X software and OS X hardware compared to Windows, it's choice. They're simply making Superdrives (things that come standard on $500 laptops) a premium package. It's like giving someone the "choice" of paying $11 for unleaded v. $13 for premium, while every other gas station is offering $5 flat. Some choice!

Hey, if Apple really wanted to be bitches they could just drop the Combo Drive MacBook altogether! Then SuperDrive would be "standard" wouldn't it? Let's see what you'd have to say about choice in that scenario...

This whole topic is basically bitching about the price of a combo drive model, but if it wasn't there to distract you in the first place, there'd be no issue. You already know Apple stuff never costs the sum of its parts, so blah-blahing about how some other PC has DVD and HDMI and 9-in-1 and whatever else at the Combo Drive MacBook's price never flies very far.
 
I still really think that the cost of a 2.2 macbook is very comparible to any other manufacture offering a "T7500" with the same kind of options built on a Microsoft platform.

Apple has way way less people purchasing their laptops compared to a manufacture like Dell, where any laptop you can configure to have whatever option... Apple just can't afford to give you the choice.... otherwise all of their laptops would end up costing more, as they would have to make more versions of each model. Then that adds more info, and for the most part, people don't care about... Meaning, Apple just wants to make things simple.. and they've succeded.
 
Hey, if Apple really wanted to be bitches they could just drop the Combo Drive MacBook altogether! Then SuperDrive would be "standard" wouldn't it? Let's see what you'd have to say about choice in that scenario...

I think lots of people would be happy to have $1100 Macbooks that came with the ability to burn DVDs (the way virtually all other $1100 computers do).
 
I think lots of people would be happy to have $1100 Macbooks that came with the ability to burn DVDs (the way virtually all other $1100 computers do).

I didn't say anything about dropping prices. I meant what if there was only a SuperDrive MacBook at $1299, as it is now. There'd just be no Combo model. Who'd honestly like that? As I've said, this argument simply boils down to people wanting the mid-range's specs at the low range's price. They are basically griping that they have to pay more for more.
 
You could take this example to any extreme you wish (what if Apple only offered a 17" MBP notebook option? Who'd really like that?), but it doesn't change the fact that Apple is offering a standard component in laptops as a premium upgrade.
 
You could take this example to any extreme you wish (what if Apple only offered a 17" MBP notebook option? Who'd really like that?), but it doesn't change the fact that Apple is offering a standard component in laptops as a premium upgrade.

*sigh* Think of the Combo drive as a $200 downgrade, then. For all we know Apple are not prepared to have a SuperDrive model any cheaper than what is out now, however possible it is, so offer Combo at a reduced price. Does that make it easier for you to digest? Because I don't think I can break it down any more than that.

If Apple only offered the SD $1299 model, but with a -$149 Combo drive option, it'd almost be the same approach as what they have now. Just because there is a Combo model out, at a particular price, people feel gipped that the SuperDrive option costs more. Incredible.
 
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