And not only by computer programmers, basically by anyone who wants to have a nicely ordered archive of dates. It just works, and works well.
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Why the heck does America still use outdated measurement and date units?
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Yet, how would you actually pronounce the date? It makes perfect sense to name versioned documents "yyyymmdd_document.docx", but "today's 2024, February, 3" sounds like you're having a stroke.
It trips me up every so often when i go to other countries and read the currency lol. But it is generally common sense like you said.
You literally proved my point. It is common for you to say it that way in UK thus you write your day as such. It is uncommon for an American like myself to say 15th March. I'd say March 15th.
If i see 1/2/2024 i am going to assume January 2nd because that is how i'd say it.
You do realize different regions have different dialects and spellings lol. It's not quite odd at all
1. Maths= Math
2. Colour= Color
etc etc. Even the pronunciation of the same word spelled the same way is different.
You pronounce the word Leisure LESHUR while American say LEE SHUR
Niche is Neesh in UK and Nitch in America
Privacy is Priv-UH-See in UK and PRY-VA-SEE in America.
So yes it makes sens that both regions would do the date how the speak the date.
You will never hear an American say today is the 18th of December. Because that sounds way too old english. Sure, we would know what you mean but it sounds weird.
Just like OLDER americans and more new/millenial americans tell time differently.
it's presently 5:45 am.
If i ask my mom what time it is "She'd say A quarter to 6" aka 5:45
If she asked me what time it was I'd say 5:45
Both mean the same thing but the way she says it is indicative of how people back in the older generation used to speak.
ii think they literally say it how they write it lol.
the eighteenth of December 2023
At least that's how my british ex says it. British people and their way of English sounds incredibly proper to Americans so it is weird hearing it like this for me.
But the problem isn't when the month is a word - it is when it is a number!
And I have often heard USA things on the radio where they say March 15 - not fifteenth. Indeed, I thought it was usual to avoid the ordinals?
And March 15th is also pretty common in the UK. Just, I suggest, not as common as 15th March. If someone even switched dates round mid-sentence, it would pass by almost unnoticed.
But since we say Month first then date then year
It makes sens that when we see 3/5/2024 we automatically know it as March 5, 2024
I have lived here all my life and i dont think i have ever heard this but if i did it probably sounds close enough to fifteenth that I simply heard the th part even if it was not said since i'd expect it.
Those people probably speak with poor grammar/slang on radio.
I certainly do not want your date nor your time format (I hated dating a military guy because our time was always military lol).
But i have stolen quite a bit of British (and other European) slang. I use Mate/M8 quite often in the place of dude and I even more so use my favorite 4 letter C word in place of my favorite B word in swearing
We do (I’m German), sans the “of”, but I specifically meant yyyymmdd. Impractical for common use.
That's because English is actually from England. So naturally, we speak it 'properly'. US 'English' has become bastardised as a result of other languages and cultures finding home in the US, so many words and forms of grammar have become simplified. And many early European settlers in the US weren't so well educated, so mispelling was common. For eg; things like 'colour' and 'favour' lost letters to become 'color' and favor'. And then there's the thing with the Z's. Initialise - Initialize. Etc. Thats more about the sound; it seems more logical perhaps to substitute a z for an s in such cases.
For balance; we English think US Americans often speak incorrectly. Because they do.
It makes sense if you grew up with it... but it lacks logic because the units aren't in size order.
Well it’s the “Merry Christmas comment, with 26 replies in a few hours to a thread 4 1/2 months dormant.
Btw, my 390 cubic inch FE engine is in imperial units
Unlike the wider English speaking world, as others noted... Chicken and egg.
I really hope you are not in the science or medical fields in America. You'll kill us all.
I wouldn't say it is bastardized. It evolved. You don't see British people speaking the same way Geoffrey Chaucer or Shakespeare would speak. UK english too has evolved (one could use bastardized there lol). I don't think british people speak or spell proper. It's just a variation. Similar to how even in America, there are different words that mean the same thing.That's because English is actually from England. So naturally, we speak it 'properly'. US 'English' has become bastardised as a result of other languages and cultures finding home in the US, so many words and forms of grammar have become simplified. And many early European settlers in the US weren't so well educated, so mispelling was common. For eg; things like 'colour' and 'favour' lost letters to become 'color' and favor'. And then there's the thing with the Z's. Initialise - Initialize. Etc. Thats more about the sound; it seems more logical perhaps to substitute a z for an s in such cases.
For balance; we English think US Americans often speak incorrectly. Because they do.
Pop means Soda in the Mid west US but you will never hear someone from my sate of North carolina call it a Pop. They'll say Soda. Or you'll hear someone say "Frying pan vs skillet" depending on where in the states you are.
Or the ever so funny stereotype. People elsewhere say you guys but in the south we say Y'all (you all) lol.
I do find it funny anytime I am using a software or website that is based in another English speaking country, my words will come up as incorrect even though I am in fact spelling them correctly (the American way).
Now what i will say about British people is your accent makes the most heinous of things sound so pleasant. I watch a lot of true crime documentaries and listen to 999 calls from the UK(and 911 from the us).
THey can be talking about a gruesome murder or just found out about a terrible massacre.
The narrator or operator just sounds like they are reading you a bedtime story
lmaoI'm not referring to vox pops - but to properly produced programs often directly quoting written words such as diaries. And with otherwise impeccable credentials. Produced both in the USA and in the UK.
One example, from memory, was a diary of Thoreau. The printed text shows no ordinals.
April 30. What is a chamber to which the sun does
not rise in the morning?
But whether he would himself have said "thirty" or "thirtieth", I rely on the program makers.
It's not a chicken and egg thing as proven that the other parts of the world also write it as they would speak it.
So me reading this in my mind, i already subconsciously read it as April 30th even without the th at the end just because it is what i am used to lol
It would sound weird for me to say April 30. Also that sentence does not sound like a typical American way of speaking.Even in the most proper of American ways lol. If someone spoke like that to me, I'd think they were being a bit uppity lol.
I wouldn't either. I'd say 'bastardised'.
I wouldn't say US English has 'evolved'. Devolved, perhaps.
Well, we do. It's our language. It's not a 'variation', it's the original. US English is a variation.
😅 how do you know if Americans wrote it or said it that way first? That's what we all mean by chicken and egg.
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Actually some US English elements are actually closer to the original English roots and it's UK English that has evolved ( or devolved if you prefer)I wouldn't either. I'd say 'bastardised'.
I wouldn't say US English has 'evolved'. Devolved, perhaps.
Well, we do. It's our language. It's not a 'variation', it's the original. US English is a variation.
I hate to bust your bubble but the English you speak today is in fact a variation of OLD ENGLISH lmao. So yes it is a variation and American English is a variation of a Variation. You certainly do not speak anywhere close to what someone from the 1200s spoke. And you may have similarities with some of Middle English but still it is not the same.
So actually...British english is a variation/evolution of another Variation (Middle English) that evolved from the original English (Old English)
So yes, you do speak a variation of English. But you are right US English is a variation of British which can be argued is a bastardization of the original Old English it derived from
Maybe we should have mentioned the egg and chicken to make it clearer
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hush lolMaybe we should have mentioned the egg and chicken to make it clearer
It's an evolution of English. In England. The language we speak is of this land. The language you speak is a version of ours.
Of course I'm right. I'm English.
LMAO the english did not create the language. It is what was originally German LMAO. Your lanuage is a variation of a Germanic language (old English) that evolved to what you use as Modern English. You can't rewrite history, Mate lol
Actually from my experience, the british are quite a stubborn peopleNah, if you were then you'd apologised first