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flyinmac

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I bought some sand today, a 60lb bag which equals 27.2 KG. That's messed up, I prefer the nice round number, lol. ;)

Just tell them you want them to bring it up to 30 KG and you'll pay them in pounds.
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That's a bit like giving or receiving directions in a small town or in the country. "Go up yonder a ways and make a right turn at the road right at the corner where Farmer Smith's barn burned down 20 years ago and keep going until you pass by where Farmer Johnson use to live."

Another random thought along those lines...

If you travel in or around major cities, one of the things you go to appreciate are the 30 second traffic reports that you catch on your car radio. Most of these are pretty short and reference things like exit names, road names and landmarks rather than mileposts or exit numbers. For example, in Louisville you might hear "65 north is backed up from hospital curve into the junction." Many of these can be complete gibberish if you don't travel into the area regularly, but are a nice, short way of phrasing things that's useful to locals if they're deciding on a route to or from work(or whatever point A to B destination you're trying to travel). This sort of falls into the "when in Rome" discussion that could sum up a good part of this thread.


Driving along listening to the radio.... There's a 20 car pile up on I-35.... Looking frantically for signs, where's I-35... Wait what's that sign?.... Crash... Oh, I think I found I-35.... Radio announcer now says there's a 21-car pile up on I-35.
 

TEWest

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Back in the 70's there was push to go metric in the USA. It went over with a tremendous thud. It is what WE are used and will continue to use.
I remember this, as a child of the 70's. Didn't PBS try to indoctrinate us?
 

JeffyTheQuik

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I remember this, as a child of the 70's. Didn't PBS try to indoctrinate us?
Notwithstanding the OP, I do think we'd have no problem if the US woke up tomorrow and everything is metric. We (Americans) are much more resilient than people give us credit for. Everyone expects up to riot when things change, but that says more about them than it does us.

Of course, had the sports team lost (or won) the championship, that's a different story.
 
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flyinmac

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That was a joke. :rolleyes:

Yes, as was mine. Hence the reference to paying in pounds.
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Notwithstanding the OP, I do think we'd have no problem if the US woke up tomorrow and everything is metric. We (Americans) are much more resilient than people give us credit for. Everyone expects up to riot when things change, but that says more about them than it does us.

Of course, had the sports team lost (or won) the championship, that's a different story.

Imagines the confusion as they approach the 45.72 meter line. Lol
 

fedup flyer

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A few rebuttals...


What fascinates me is the mixing of the two in flying...
For every 1000 feet you go up, the temperature drops by 2° C.
Standard Pressure is 15° C and 29.92" Hg
SA reports that have temperature in Fahrenheit, pressure in millibars and " Hg, visibility in statute miles, and windspeed in knots. Weather reports, probably the most critical for flying VFR, are a hodgepodge of whatever the person that originally put them together felt like using, or whatever gauge they had at the time.

Prior to about 1996, all US Aviation Weather was in empirical units.
For some odd reason, we went to the French system of Metars and TAFs (and airspace reclassification), even though North America has my flying than the rest of the world combined.
The younger guys get confused when I ask for a sequence report and I have to correct my self and ask for a Metar.
 
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samiwas

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Okay, first off, temperature. We all know what the three useful temperature measurements are. Only one is used in daily use, it's Celsius, and across the entire world. It is the most logical of the three, 0° is water's freezing point, 100° is its boiling point, every semi-educated person knows that. Only THREE countries use Fahrenheit exclusively, and surprise surprise, the United States is one of them. Why? Why is that necessary? Why use a system that is absolutely outdated, makes no sense whatsoever (water freezes at 32° and melts at 212°? yeah, totally makes sense), that is used by basically no one else? Even, excuse me for this term, stubborn countries like the United Kingdom now use Celsius exclusively and primarily. Even Canada, and its influence of the country did not force it to keep Fahrenheit. It annoys me because every time someone says "it's 60° outside!" I have to google and convert it because that means nothing for me, and I don't communicate enough with Americans to bother learning it. I could get away with it if it was something that was used interchangeably in multiple countries, but it isn't, it's outdated.

If you want to use Celsius for science, cooking, body temperature...I don't care. Great, let's do it. But for weather temperature outside or building temperature? Fahrenheit. 0 is freaking cold, and 100 is freaking hot. 50 feels nice. It feels silly and dumb to say, "Oh my God it's so hot outside! It's like, 35 degrees!!!!" or "Man, it's pretty chilly outside...it's negative five." No. I refuse to use Celsius for the temperature feeling.

Second, measurement units. On one hand, you have the most logical system on the planet, the metric system. Simple, each unit correlates with each other, and there are basic prefixes which simply divide or multiply the numbers by multiples of 10. And I will be blunt here, the imperial units are more intuitive and are still somewhat logical. However, once you want to do anything slightly more complex, it becomes annoying.

Metric is, by far, much more logical. Our units are stupid. Especially when you get into things like "Okay, I need this to be four times 17 19/32 inches long", instead of "Okay, I need this to be four times 446.9mm long". Or, "How many gallons do I need to fill 20 cups?"

Finally, this one pisses me off so much I just want to die. The date system. The entire world uses one or the other, either a DD/MM/YYYY system (common in European countries), either a YYYY/MM/DD system (common in East-Asian countries and some other places). Both are perfectly fine, as they represent a proper level of importance. What is NOT fine is when a single country just comes to troll everybody and bring a MM/DD/YYYY system, which completely messes up the order of the dates. The month, then a small part of the month, and then the year which the month takes place in? WHAT? How does that make any sense? WHY IS THAT NECESSARY? WHY THE ILLOGICALITY? I can bear with a January 1st, 2016 date system because it is closer to being a feature of the language, but not when it's a purely written form! At least use YYYY/MM/DD if you want to keep the M/D part! Seriously!

I hate the Euro date system. I say May 22, 2016, so I'm writing it 05/22/2016. Especially since the year is only used sometimes. So 22/05 looks really dumb. Since at that point, I'm wanting to look at the big unit first, then narrow it down. When I date files, it's always YYMMDD-HHMM.
 
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xtshabi

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If you want to use Celsius for science, cooking, body temperature...I don't care. Great, let's do it. But for weather temperature outside or building temperature? Fahrenheit. 0 is freaking cold, and 100 is freaking hot. 50 feels nice. It feels silly and dumb to say, "Oh my God it's so hot outside! It's like, 35 degrees!!!!" or "Man, it's pretty chilly outside...it's negative five." No. I refuse to use Celsius for the temperature feeling.



Metric is, by far, much more logical. Our units are stupid. Especially when you get into things like "Okay, I need this to be four times 17 19/32 inches long", instead of "Okay, I need this to be four times 446.9mm long". Or, "How many gallons do I need to fill 20 cups?"



I hate the Euro date system. I say May 22, 2016, so I'm writing it 05/22/2016. Especially since the year is only used sometimes, so 22/05 looks really dumb, since at that point, I'm wanting to look at the big unit first, then narrowing it down. When I date files, it's always YYMMDD-HHMM.

All good points.
 

samiwas

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You are overstating the problem, it's simpler than the English system and people would not lose their minds if they had to buy a liter of milk. Frankly it would not be difficult at all, just the expense of switching labels.

Well, only if they didn't change the containers and started selling it as 3.785L bottles. Otherwise, they'd be changing their machinery to make new litre milk bottles, and that would be difficult and expensive.
 
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Tradition.

That's my twopenneth. Ha. Ha.

No. I suspect that it is a kind of inertia, and they don't like to be told what to do by others.

Re the ordering and writing of dates, I think that there is a profound difference of opinion on that matter, on both sides of the Pond, and I doubt that either will change anytime soon.

Certainly, most Europeans always - even in conversation - start with the date of the day, and then add the month. To us, that seems more logical, day, followed by month, followed by year. (And yes, even when minuting meetings, or writing lectures, I will jot down all three).

As for the rest, I am equally fluent in both metric and imperial - because I grew up with both, and can use them interchangeably as needed.

Re the measurement of temperature, the metric is exceedingly logical, and using the freezing point and the boiling point of water as the two bookends mean that it makes intuitive sense; besides, any system derived from a base of 100 is always going to be easy to calculate, and remember.

Now, I'll grant that Fahrenheit allows for a greater degree of precision in the measurement of the taken temperature, but there, the usual debate between convenience and degrees of precision applies.

However, for anyone who has read the Harry Potter works of J K Rowling, I have long thought that she must have been giggling insanely to herself when she devised a completely wonky and utterly irrational system of currency for her wizarding world. It reads almost as though it is a send up. But it is still very funny.
 
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bunnspecial

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However, for anyone who has read the Harry Potter works of J K Rowling, I have long thought that she must have been giggling insanely to herself when she devised a completely wonky and utterly irrational system of currency for her wizarding world. It reads almost as though it is a send up. But it is still very funny.

I can't find the reference at the moment, but I have read somewhere along the way that Rowling was an imperial system advocate. I wish I could find the reference.

Aside from the wonky and backwards money system, you will find no references to metric units through the book and plenty of reference to imperial units and even more(somewhat obscure) measure of units. I recall one Unicorn being described as "nearly 17 hands."

In any case, I'm going to jump in my car afterwhile and make a trip that will probably involve me exceeding speeds of 2.07x10^14 fathoms/fortnight, or 207 terafathoms/fortnight
 
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I can't find the reference at the moment, but I have read somewhere along the way that Rowling was an imperial system advocate. I wish I could find the reference.

Aside from the wonky and backwards money system, you will find no references to metric units through the book and plenty of reference to imperial units and even more(somewhat obscure) measure of units. I recall one Unicorn being described as "nearly 17 hands."

In any case, I'm going to jump in my car afterwhile and make a trip that will probably involve me exceeding speeds of 2.07x10^14 fathoms/fortnight, or 207 terafathoms/fortnight

Ah, I hadn't spotted that, or, if I did, I passed over it as being an obvious way to describe this.

"Hands" are actually the unit of measurement for horses in the British Isles, so I'm not surprised to see that she used it for unicorns.

(You measure at the shoulder of the animal, - not above - using a specially designed measuring stick with a spirit level, which is placed at right angles (90 degrees) to the shoulder of the animal, the measurements marked off on the stick). For convenience, a 'hand' in this context is read and recorded as four inches, and obviously, in earlier times, it was - physically - a man's hand that was used. Inches are used to define - or delineate - the difference between two 'hands'.

A horse of 17 hands would be a pretty large animal.

Now, I hadn't realised that Rowling was a devotee of the Imperial system, but I'm not terribly surprised. However, her system is so gloriously illogical that it does read almost as a send up, or a hilarious and slightly bizarre alternative.
 
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bunnspecial

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"Hands" are actually the unit of measurement for horses in the British Isles, so I'm not surprised to see that she used it for unicorns.

Hands are also ubiquitous in the US and have the same definition(4"). I agree that it made sense in that context, although it might be an unusual unit if you weren't use to seeing it.

And yes, 17 hands is quite large. I live in the middle of thoroughbred country, and most race horses are 15-16 hands tall. There again, as I mentioned earlier, the equestrian industry(or racing industry at least) at least in the US is somewhat deep in measurements that really aren't common outside of it. Furlongs are still common for race lengths and distances on the track. The official standardized horse "length" is 8 ft(used/recorded when reporting winning spreads). Even up until a few years ago, times were still measured and recorded in 1/5 second intervals.

Back in the 1860s, Waltham made an "improved sporting watch" that was reportedly aimed at race horse owners and trainers. They are quite rare, but many of the ones I've seen have horse or horse racing scenes engraved on the case. The watch has a sub second hand at 6:00 that rotates once every four seconds, a sweep second hand that rotates once every four minutes, and then the hour and minutes on a small sub dial at 12:00. In any case, some dials I've seen have the four second sub dial delineated in 1/5 second intervals.
[doublepost=1463948299][/doublepost]By the way, I saw while watching the Preakness on Ebay yesterday that apparently NBC is going to start showing the Ascot Royal next year. I'm not sure I can warm up to racing where the horses run the wrong way :) .
 

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Hands are also ubiquitous in the US and have the same definition(4"). I agree that it made sense in that context, although it might be an unusual unit if you weren't use to seeing it.

And yes, 17 hands is quite large. I live in the middle of thoroughbred country, and most race horses are 15-16 hands tall. There again, as I mentioned earlier, the equestrian industry(or racing industry at least) at least in the US is somewhat deep in measurements that really aren't common outside of it. Furlongs are still common for race lengths and distances on the track. The official standardized horse "length" is 8 ft(used/recorded when reporting winning spreads). Even up until a few years ago, times were still measured and recorded in 1/5 second intervals.

Back in the 1860s, Waltham made an "improved sporting watch" that was reportedly aimed at race horse owners and trainers. They are quite rare, but many of the ones I've seen have horse or horse racing scenes engraved on the case. The watch has a sub second hand at 6:00 that rotates once every four seconds, a sweep second hand that rotates once every four minutes, and then the hour and minutes on a small sub dial at 12:00. In any case, some dials I've seen have the four second sub dial delineated in 1/5 second intervals.

Yes, furlongs are still used as a measurement to measure distances - though not the only one - in racing circles in the British Isles (both Britain and Ireland).

Then again, - and it depends on the actual race - sometimes - for some of the really old races - the prize money is measured in guineas. That is - for those who remember it - 21/-, namely, twenty one shillings, rather than the 20/- (twenty shillings) which made up an old imperial pound.

Well, my mother used to work in the equestrian world, so this is a universe and terminology I know a little bit about.

That is an extremely interesting detail about the Waltham watches used in the racing & equestrian industry.

Have you any pictures of those 'improved sporting watches' by Waltham - with the unusual second hand features?
 

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You know that a few trillion other people in other countries already managed this without too much problem.
It can be done. Will be done. Should be done.
Change. Change. Change.
 

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I don't understand why it's bothering you. Did you just move to the US or something and you are finding it hard to adjust?
If you don't have to deal with it in any way, why does it bother you?
One has to deal with ridiculous measurements on the web every day.

Now, some things are the way they are: disk and screen size standards, for example.
 
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