A more localised verson might be 'Stop eating last weeks Scouse'
(For the record I really like Scouse. A very underrated local dish)
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iPhone 16 Pro Why the iPhone is still state-of-the-art. And better.
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(For the record I really like Scouse. A very underrated local dish)
My kids were started with Macs, because that's what I had in the house when they were much younger. Then at some point, my wife needed a Windows PC when she went back to school for her Bachelor's degree. At that time too, my son was starting high school and also needed a Windows PC.
Both my kids also got started on iPhones and they carry around the iPhone SE2 now. But for my son's personal use, because of that one PC he now chooses PCs.
My daughter's more of a Chromebook person but primarily because that's what her school issues. I have yet to replace the PC she killed when she spilled lemonade all over the keyboard.
For my wife, I just introduced a 2015 MBP into the house running Monterey. But she's more dedicated to her iPhone, LOL.
You wanted to balance things out but your post is littered with repeated biased claims that ultimately make this thread a waste of time, space, and energy.
The haptic feedback is miles better. Just feels so much better when typing on my pixel.
I strongly disagree, i did a side step to a Flip 5, and the OS is so much nicer to use then Apple IOS in my opinion, plus the phone performed great, honestly the performance of the camera`s of my 15 pro compared to a S23 and even to a extend my flip 5 is more or less the same.... On instagram.
I am happy to have my 15 Pro since this week. as a flip phone is just too fragile, BUT honestly if i would have taken a a S23/S24 i may saved myself money while getting a better OS experience.
I am happy to have my 15 Pro since this week. as a flip phone is just too fragile, BUT honestly if i would have taken a a S23/S24 i may saved myself money while getting a better OS experience.
When it comes to "support" Apple used to be the best but Samsung and other manufacturers has stepped up and offers similar or better support. I would argue and say Google Pixel has better support than Apple devices.
Another problem is that Apple aren't transparent with how long they will support a device and how compared to Google and Samsung.
Now, Apple is still far easier to manage when it comes to updates seen from a managed device (corporate) perspective which is nice. I just wish they would step up and announce a minimum amount of years that they will support a device for.
Another problem is that Apple aren't transparent with how long they will support a device and how compared to Google and Samsung.
Now, Apple is still far easier to manage when it comes to updates seen from a managed device (corporate) perspective which is nice. I just wish they would step up and announce a minimum amount of years that they will support a device for.
Totally agree. It’s an appliance, albeit perhaps the most portable and important appliance one might own at the moment. But still an appliance nonetheless. You like Maytag and I like Whirlpool. Cool. We both got clean clothes!
I am wondering if at some point Apple won't do away with all it's numbering conventions and start emulating the auto industry. If I go and buy a brand new Ford Mustang right now, I'm probably getting the 2024 or 2025 model. Ford isn't marketing the Mustang as the Mustang 2025, although they and other car manufacturers will refer to model years in their marketing and car buffs might refer to model generations.
But my point being, you need/want an iPhone you just get one. Apple might say it's the 2030 model or whatever, but the phone itself would simply be identified as 'iPhone'. Of course that leaves the question of support and for how long and how you identify whether you'd be in or out of support, but I"m sure there'd be some way to note that.
I don't see this naming convention lasting much longer.
Others agree for a usability perspective as well (I prefer the S24+ to the nut-busting sharp corner Ultra).
iPhone still a snoozer... no:
Split screen support
Dex / wireless Dex (connect to TV / monitor, keyboard)
Anti-reflective screen
AI- Apple "intelligence" is 2 years behind and counting
...
Carrying one cable for all devices is a huge plus (in addition to much faster transfer speeds!).
Samsung and even Pixels now are similarly priced so whilst expensive no more than the rest.
Eventually they’ll switch to naming them after large cats or places in California that only tourist visit! 😹😹😹
That’s my main problem: I still compare Apple to old Apple. Thats a huge issue.
But tbh I demand better quality from products that are priced this high.
I am too invested in featureset (Facetime, Airdrop, 3rd party apps that I had purchased over all time in AppStore) to just give up and go Android again. But if I must I will, it is definitely gonna be Samsung, not Pixel or some other noname.
Samsung tends to bring features that Apple brings a year after: they had triple camera setup (and of much better quality, imo) in S10+. The phone itself was not worthy so I got rid of it, I very much disliked the curved edges and never understood the point of those. So I got myself 11 Pro which I still use, and I gotta be honest it has one of the worst ways of photo processing out there, especially in RAW mode where everything is so overexposed and you need to manually edit every shot and bring “boost” down to get more or less proper exposure. I think they decided to get rid of real details for all these trashy features like object and text detection. I even compared, default camera shoots some blurry jpeg/heif files comparing to smth like ProCamera.
Either way, I doubt I will go Android again. Yeah, cameras are pretty good but nothing to edit the pictures with! I neither like Snapseed nor Lightroom, first one is too basic and limited and another one is too cloud-infused and tries to replace built-in photo gallery. AppStore on the other hand still has more useful apps for photography and editing, unfortunately most are very useless and require subscription now but still there are some hidden single purchase gems out there such as Irix HDR, RAW Power, ProCamera and others.
In fact, iPhone is something more than ecosystem, it is a pleasant experience of using apps and well-functioning OS. I have lots of criticisms about newer iOS versions but still, is Android already there? Not sure.
I mean, people love to brag that iPhone lacks this or that Android feature. I remember a years long whining about lack of AoD. I mean, who actually uses it? When I am asleep I prefer my phone to be as dark as possible, cannot imagine a scenario when I actually need time and calendar info to be “always on”. Same with RCS. Maybe I am just from Europe where everyone just uses WhatsApp, but have US droiders actually communicated with RCS and Google’s messaging app? It has always been buggy and slow, nearly impossible to use. Literally same thing with control center. Same with widgets, movable all-around icons and customizable control center, I don’t get the appeal to ex-droiders who want all of this.
The only cool feature of all my old droids was an SD card so I never worried about backups, but nowadays the feature has been lost - most major manufacturers removed SD from flagship phones. On the other hand, nowadays you can simply plug a USB C flash drive into phone and backup, especially good with modern Pro iPhones since as you mentioned only those offer 10gbit speeds
But tbh I demand better quality from products that are priced this high.
I am too invested in featureset (Facetime, Airdrop, 3rd party apps that I had purchased over all time in AppStore) to just give up and go Android again. But if I must I will, it is definitely gonna be Samsung, not Pixel or some other noname.
Samsung tends to bring features that Apple brings a year after: they had triple camera setup (and of much better quality, imo) in S10+. The phone itself was not worthy so I got rid of it, I very much disliked the curved edges and never understood the point of those. So I got myself 11 Pro which I still use, and I gotta be honest it has one of the worst ways of photo processing out there, especially in RAW mode where everything is so overexposed and you need to manually edit every shot and bring “boost” down to get more or less proper exposure. I think they decided to get rid of real details for all these trashy features like object and text detection. I even compared, default camera shoots some blurry jpeg/heif files comparing to smth like ProCamera.
Either way, I doubt I will go Android again. Yeah, cameras are pretty good but nothing to edit the pictures with! I neither like Snapseed nor Lightroom, first one is too basic and limited and another one is too cloud-infused and tries to replace built-in photo gallery. AppStore on the other hand still has more useful apps for photography and editing, unfortunately most are very useless and require subscription now but still there are some hidden single purchase gems out there such as Irix HDR, RAW Power, ProCamera and others.
In fact, iPhone is something more than ecosystem, it is a pleasant experience of using apps and well-functioning OS. I have lots of criticisms about newer iOS versions but still, is Android already there? Not sure.
I mean, people love to brag that iPhone lacks this or that Android feature. I remember a years long whining about lack of AoD. I mean, who actually uses it? When I am asleep I prefer my phone to be as dark as possible, cannot imagine a scenario when I actually need time and calendar info to be “always on”. Same with RCS. Maybe I am just from Europe where everyone just uses WhatsApp, but have US droiders actually communicated with RCS and Google’s messaging app? It has always been buggy and slow, nearly impossible to use. Literally same thing with control center. Same with widgets, movable all-around icons and customizable control center, I don’t get the appeal to ex-droiders who want all of this.
The only cool feature of all my old droids was an SD card so I never worried about backups, but nowadays the feature has been lost - most major manufacturers removed SD from flagship phones. On the other hand, nowadays you can simply plug a USB C flash drive into phone and backup, especially good with modern Pro iPhones since as you mentioned only those offer 10gbit speeds
Ancient 6s is still more or less useable device on the last for it iOS 15. Not so many people still own and use it, but that doesn’t change the fact the phone is still ok on its 8th year. My iPad Air 2 is still very much useful for old and light games, casual browsing and watching movies, also on iOS 15 but released way back in 2014. It is sort of unwritten rule that iPhones work good until they become too boring.
Samsung are yet to hold up to their own claim of 5 y+ support. I know Androids do not require software updates for apps installation but due to constantly autoupdating Google Play Services there might be slowdown issues overtime
With how long I use them all, I'm rather amused by complaints of Apple deliberately shorting old devices. I might be keen to replace it, but my old iPad Air 2 is still soldiering on. It struggles with some of the larger PDFs I need to open, but I certainly got my money's worth with that one.
I don't use it daily any more, and it needs a new battery, but my old iPhone 8 Plus is still going remarkably well.
My iPhone 5 however, is a bit long in the tooth now. It still worked as a GPS and speedometer for my motorbike, until I stopped riding this year, but it's not really any good for much else.
Between the great lifespan of every Apple product I've bought, and the great service I've gotten for the occasionally glitchy one, I am quite happy to stay firmly embedded in the Apple ecosystem.
Everyone uses their phone(s) differently. You say you are too invested in the ecosystem. In 2012 when I went to iPhone (from Windows Mobile) I used cross platform services. That enabled me to try Android for nine months from 2019 to 2020 and come back with no problems.
I have the 11 Pro Max, no AoD. But my Pixel 3a XL has AoD. Typically, my phone sits on my desk all day so it's nice to be able to look over and tell the time. And while I do prefer sleeping in a dark room, since 2009 I've always used my phones as a bedside clock/alarm. That means the phone is on all night with a clock app running. AoD doesn't even factor into that, even when it was my Pixel's turn to perform that duty.
As to Android, I guess you don't like 'noname' Pixels. These are only made by Google, the company that owns Android. But in any case, RCS was not a thing yet when I was on Android. And I didn't use Google's messaging. I used a third party app - which you can do with Android.
I used to jailbreak my iPhones. I had dark mode in 2013, weather and widgets on the lockscreen and homescreen and a bunch of other stuff. If you don't get the interest that's fine, again…differences.
I'm not advocating Android over iPhone or iPhone over Android. Use what you want. I prefer iOS. But there are plenty of things I liked when I was using Android.
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A couple months ago, I rearranged my EDC (Every Day Carry) so that my 6s Plus, which has an active SIM, would/could go with me when out. Normally I use it for walking in the mornings (and I still do that), but now it's going right along with my 11PM when I leave the house. It's interesting, because for whatever stupid reason, whenever my wife calls me the call tends to go to my 6s Plus instead of my 11PM. So, if I've got both phones…I get her call either way.
I would not classify myself as fully embedded in the ecosystem as I generally make things on my devices so that all my eggs are not in one basket. That is not to say that I don't use iMessage or pay for a 2TB/month iCloud sub. But Apple's ecosystem is not why I use iPhone. I use iPhone because of iOS. That's just my preference over Android.
I should have been more clear. By “nonames” I just meant everything such as Xiaomi, Huawei, Honor etc. I doubt anyone uses those phones for 5 years+. Pixels are generally ok but way too Google-infused for me, I personally just don’t prefer barebone Androids, Samsung’s One UI is much better in that sense, albeit many apps work very slow on Samsungs due to some optimization quirks. It is literally impossible to make Instagram scroll buttersmooth on OneUI. I was so angered when I saw Instagram lagging on my back-then fresh S10+ comparing to my aging 6s
I see. Yeah, I've been told by my wife that the next time we upgrade she's looking at Samsung phones. Now that was some time ago, so whenever we do upgrade I'll have to check back with her. For me, it'll just be another iPhone.
I chose Pixel in 2019 because I wanted a pure Android phone without branding or alterations of the OS by a third party (Samsung and others). I felt that would be the best way to decide (finally) if I liked Android or not.
What I found, is that while I generally like Android, I don't care for the way Google manages it. Like with Google projects and services, Google will change things between upgrades. You get used to a certain gesture in one version of Android and Google has changed how that works in the next upgrade. Stuff like that. I also didn't want to have to wait on third party manufacturers to upgrade their version of Android before I could update. Often, that's quite some time after Google has released a new version.
I may try things again at some point in the future, but it'd be a Samsung device then - if only because I haven't ever tried one.
I agree totally about lesser known Android devices. I've had the displeasure of having to support someone running a basic cheap Android and it's frustrating as hell.
Due to a UK regulation, Apple has committed to a minimum of five years of support. However, they usually support iPhones longer than that.
I think its great that people can use their old devices and a lot more would still do it if they knew that they would get system or security updates. I don't get why its so hard for Apple to be transparent and list what OS and devices that they will continue to support with security updates.
Noone really knows if there will be more security updates for iOS 12, 15 and 16.
Judging from the latest fixes for iOS 17.7 I can only assume that support for the above mentioned OS aren't in focus anymore.
I think Apple has the resources to launch something like "we will provide at least 12 years of security updates from the time a device is released" and also be open with how fast these patches will be delivered.
State of the art = what everyone is doing.
Cutting edge = innovative and novel.
Apple is mostly “state of the art”.
Cutting edge = innovative and novel.
Apple is mostly “state of the art”.
Haven't experienced any UI quirks or slowness on (Snapdragon) S23+ and S24+. Even OnePlus 8 and 8T running OxygenOS were quite responsive in my past experience.
Pixel camera and photo app integration are the best Android has to offer but the hardware quality hasn't been so great in Pixel 7 and prior models. Plus, the Tensor (glorified Exynos) has not been all that impressive. I am interested to see how well TSMC stacks up, once they start producing Pixel processors.
I had a Pixel 8 Pro for ~3 weeks that I compared side-by-side to S23+ and found the Pixel to be sluggish for certain things, had worse mobile and wifi reception and less battery runtime.
Pixel's are one of the easiest hardware platforms for those who want to "degoogle" (wipe clean and run GrapheneOS).