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A Mini and an iMac are not the same animal, build them out and then look at the specs. Price is the driving force for the Mini.

Nonsense.

I bought the original Mac Mini in 2005 because its form fitted my need for something easily transportable, but I didn't want a potable (aka laptop)….. And when it packed a sad in 2009 I replaced it with another Mini because it did indeed fulfil my needs.

Add up the cost of a monitor and all for that first Mini, and I could have had an iMac, but that is not what I wanted.

I could have had a Windows based PC for less, but that is not what I wanted.

Most people that have IMac's and Mini's won't gravitate to a laptop. Just my opinion.

My guess is that (a) the target market audience for and the vast majority of the userbase for the Mac mini doesn't care that it is still sporting Ivy Bridge and not Haswell.

I reckon…. most folk want something that just works.

The current Mini works with the currently available OS and apps, and likely will do for several more years. Heck, even a five year old Mini is still not obsolete.

I'd imagine, in the not-too-distant future, Apple will only sell three lines of Mac: MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, and Mac Pro; most consumers will gravitate to the laptops while the pros that NEED a desktop will still get the option of the Mac Pro.

I doubt it.

There are pros who don't need the capability of a Mac Pro. There are those for whom the Mini in some configuration or another is more than adequate. It is not for nothing there is a server in the Mini line up.

There are many consumers who do not want a laptop. Then there are those, pro and consumer, who want a desktop to complement their laptop and / or other devices.

IMO, the Mac Mini is on the Apple back burner. There's little to no incentive to update it atm. It runs Mavericks pretty good and if it runs Yosemite the same i'm betting they will address the Mini when it fails to perform well with an OS upgrade.

I reckon that is the reason pure and simple.

A new Mini sporting a few tweaks might get geeks drooling. However, at this stage, there would be no substantial improvement on the current Mini for the average Joe or Jill.
 
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Nonsense.

I bought the original Mac Mini because its form fitted my need for something easily transportable, but I didn't want a potable (aka laptop)….. And when it packed a sad in 2009 I replaced it with another Mini because it did indeed fulfil my needs.

Add up the cost of a monitor and all for that first Mini, and I could have had an iMac, but that is not what I wanted.

I could have had a Windows based PC for less, but that is not what I wanted.





I reckon…. most folk want something that just works.

The current Mini works with the currently available OS and apps, and likely will do for several more years. Heck, even a five year old Mini is still not obsolete.



I doubt it.

There are pros who don't need the capability of a Mac Pro. There are those for whom the Mini in some configuration or another is more than adequate. It is not for nothing there is a server in the Mini line up.

There are many consumers who do not want a laptop. Then there are those, pro and consumer, who want a desktop to complement their laptop and / or other devices.



I reckon that is the reason pure and simple.

A new Mini sporting a few tweaks might get geeks drooling. However, at this stage, there would offer no substantial improvement on the current Mini for the average Joe or Jill.

There's no really good reason for keeping the mini as it is. None at all. A few tweaks is what most models get between bigger upgrades anyways. I don't think they're all that interested in the mini unless it can be moulded into or with something else. Then again maybe they just have way too many in the warehouse and they're still getting rid of them.
 
Where is the BLOODY MAC MINI.

To lighten the mood here as we continue to wait I present the top 10 Anagrams for "Bloody Mac mini"

My Condom Alibi :)
Cab I Dimly Moon :p
My Nomadic Boil :(
Cyan Libido Mom ;)
Old Minicam Boy :confused:
Bionic Yam Mold :eek:
Band Oil Icy Mom :eek:
Madly Ionic Mob :mad:
Icy Dim Moon Lab :cool:
Bi Mom Oil Candy :D

Now back to your regularly scheduled Tuesday wait.

(I get strange when I'm tired)
 
Nope, the Pi has a SOC (system on a chip):
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Even the RAM is integrated.

And a discrete GPU is on the same road as the DODO. It will become a high-end niche product. The average personal computer* won't have any in a couple of years.
* desktop, phablet, telephone, smarttv or whatever you like to name your personal computer.

Oh wow, learn something everyday. I could've sworn the second chip was a GPU.
 
Sure it has! The HD4000 is a GPU, it has dedicated silicon for image processing. It resides on the same die, SO WHAT? In 5 years ALL computers are 1-chip machines. Even the MacPro. And in 10 years, they have a motherboard looking like a Raspberry Pi, with just a little heatsink.

Same-die GPU is actually a benefit, since it does not have to deal with a cramped PCI-Express bus in between.

Like an iPhone.
 
Oh wow, learn something everyday. I could've sworn the second chip was a GPU.
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Apple recently lowered the 2.3Ghz quad i7 Mac Mini to £649 from £679 in the UK. It's available from Amazon for £559.

Regardless of GPU improvements in the Haswell Macbook Pros, the 2Ghz i7 CPU in the 15" Macbook Retina is about on a par/insignificantly faster than the 2.3Ghz i7 CPU in the 2012 Mac Mini.

That's quite a capable system and if new models didn't offer some kind of CPU bump on the level of 2.3Ghz Haswell =/> 2.6Ghz Ivy Bridge performance for the same price point, it wouldn't be worth them bringing out a new system.

If they offer a solid performance increase. 30%+ with much faster GPU and at the same time added PCIe SSD. It would be perfect and worth waiting for. If not, it would be a disapointing speed-bump and 2012 systems bought at a discount from online alternatives to the Apple Store would still be a more cost-effective option for people who find the GPUs adequate.
 
The mini needs better 2D graphics power. I use the 2011 i7 quad (HD3000) in my office at work (research) and it drives 1x27 inch and 1x24 inch display fine. BUT the OSX animations are sluggish. It only manages 30fps.

Even with the single 27 inch screen (2560x1440) I only get 30fps in OSX animations.

The 2011 i5 model with 6630M in the lab is not much better either.

By contrast, a 2008 macBook Pro runs an external 27 inch monitor much more smoothly!

HD5000, or ideally iris pro would be a very worthwhile and significant upgrade (for the top-end i7).
 
for what it's worth

I bought a dual-core Mac Mini in 2010 to replace a G5 iMac, in part because I couldn't see the point of buying an entirely new screen every time I upgraded the computer. Screens and keyboards and mice are commodity peripherals; Apple's are nice but sometimes cheap beats nice.

In the time I've had it, I've installed a bigger hard drive and bumped the memory. About a year ago I thought it was time to move to quad-core, but held off because I thought an update was around the corner. Surprise!

I do use it for a little gaming and some rendering, so a bump in graphics capability is worth waiting for. I'll be pretty disappointed if that bump comes at the cost of welded-in memory and welded-in SSD. Of course, I'll be more disappointed if the bump never comes.
 
you guys, the mini will only show itself, if apple has a pricier more alluring alternative. if the imac and macbook line are apple's "steak," the mini is the "hotdog." by that, i mean, the mini can be as tasty as the slicker, pricier macs but its innards are the processes left over from its more expensive siblings. i don't really know how a hotdog is made, but, i hear its made up of pieces leftover from an animal slaughter house. and so is a mini. the aluminum and logic board of mac minis are probably cut from the edges or are left over materials (strategic, economic left overs if that makes sense) from what were used to make macbooks and imacs, which require larger footprints of logic board pcb's and aluminums.

so basically, lets say hypothetically, apple released a 2014 mac mini. this mini would have haswell insides, basically, similar to current macbook retina and imac line. apple would want to not include iris igpu in the mac mini but if they released this hypothetical mini, they would be force to include the iris igpu that is inside of all their other computers at the moment. apple would be force to do this since their practice is about streamlining and efficiency. the cost of a higher end iris igpu (vs. the vanilla intel hd) is already part of this streamlining process since their other products already carry the same igpu. i figure the idea of bulk purchasing 2 products with vanilla intel igpu and an iris igpu is not as economic or efficient as a bulk purchase of just one single product to use for all of their pc's. not sure tho.

anyway, my point is, if apple releases this hypthothetical mac mini, it would screw with their streamline, efficient, process--not really sure what it's called in business--but you get the idea.

they would have to recalculate how much aluminum to cut or to leave behind for mac mini and also how much pcb's to make the logic board for the mac mini. if, the mac mini sells more than their more expensive pc's, this means more recalculating of how much aluminum, pcb's etc.... since the mac mini usually gets the left overs---depending on how hot this theoretical mac mini sells--apple would have to order more aluminum and pcb's and bulk orders of iris igpu just to supply demand.

the point is apple doesnt want the mac mini to sell like hot cakes. this is for economic and profit reasons.

it's like, if the world suddenly decided that hotdogs are better than steak or hamburgers. this means that slaughterhouses would be killing animals just for the leftovers/entrails and leaving most of the meat to freezers since it's not selling.
 
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you guys, the mini will only show itself, if apple has a pricier more alluring alternative. if the imac and macbook line are apple's "steak," the mini is the "hotdog." by that, i mean, the mini can be as tasty as the slicker, pricier macs but its innards are the processes left over from its more expensive siblings. i don't really know how a hotdog is made, but, i hear its made up of pieces leftover from an animal slaughter house. and so is a mini. the aluminum and logic board of mac minis are probably cut from the edges or are left over materials (strategic, economic left overs if that makes sense) from what were used to make macbooks and imacs, which require larger footprints of logic board pcb's and aluminums.

so basically, lets say hypothetically, apple released a 2014 mac mini. this mini would have haswell insides, basically, similar to current macbook retina and imac line. apple would want to not include iris igpu in the mac mini but if they released this hypothetical mini, they would be force to include the iris igpu that is inside of all their other computers at the moment. apple would be force to do this since their practice is about streamlining and efficiency. the cost of a higher end iris igpu (vs. the vanilla intel hd) is already part of this streamlining process since their other products already carry the same igpu. i figure the idea of bulk purchasing 2 products with vanilla intel igpu and an iris igpu is not as economic or efficient as a bulk purchase of just one single product to use for all of their pc's. not sure tho.

anyway, my point is, if apple releases this hypthothetical mac mini, it would screw with their streamline, efficient, process--not really sure what it's called in business--but you get the idea.

they would have to recalculate how much aluminum to cut or to leave behind for mac mini and also how much pcb's to make the logic board for the mac mini. if, the mac mini sells more than their more expensive pc's, this means more recalculating of how much aluminum, pcb's etc.... since the mac mini usually gets the left overs---depending on how hot this theoretical mac mini sells--apple would have to order more aluminum and pcb's and bulk orders of iris igpu just to supply demand.

the point is apple doesnt want the mac mini to sell like hot cakes. this is for economic and profit reasons.

it's like, if the world suddenly decided that hotdogs are better than steak or hamburgers. this means that slaughterhouses would be killing animals just for the leftovers/entrails and leaving most of the meat to freezers since it's not selling.

well........hmmmm........i did get a little chuckle.......:)
 
I like this slaughterhouse/hotdog analogy. I don't know if that's how it really works, but it might not be far off the mark. If the mini sold too well, maybe we could buy the insides without the case, or they could start selling designer enclosures.

After chewing this over I picture MacGyver in danger and grabbing a paper clip and duct tape. :eek:
It's fun to theorize the Mini. :)
 
If I hear one more person bring up (target market) I'm going to delete the entire internet.

That's okay, I bought a lot of DVD-Rs and I'm doing a backup of the Internet. There sure is a lot of porn to download, though.
 
the point is apple doesnt want the mac mini to sell like hot cakes. this is for economic and profit reasons.

Then someone needs to tell Apple that Amazon, you know that insignificant online retailer can't keep them in stock because every time they get some stock they sellout within hours.

Seriously, Apple loves that the current Mac Mini sells like hotcakes because they pay lower prices for parts so higher profits. Which is why until the Mini can't run the newest OS X, Apple will sit back racking in the dough.
 
Then someone needs to tell Apple that Amazon, you know that insignificant online retailer can't keep them in stock because every time they get some stock they sellout within hours.

Seriously, Apple loves that the current Mac Mini sells like hotcakes because they pay lower prices for parts so higher profits. Which is why until the Mini can't run the newest OS X, Apple will sit back racking in the dough.

i just checked mac mini at amazon and it's in stock. the mac mini's do fly off the refurbish site at apple, though.

i guess, i should clarify that quote you quoted since i am referring to the hypothetical mac mini with haswell and iris igpu i mentioned.

of course, apple doesn't care if current mini which is 2012 version sells like hot cakes. they'd only care if the hypothetical mac mini i mentioned will sell like hotcakes b/c of the steak-hotdog analogy i mentioned. apple wants consumers to buy the more expensive meal. and it's not just about profit margin. i don't really know, but if we go back to the steak-hotdog analogy, hotdogs are cheaper due to how it is made. a steak needs to be cooked by chefs which require a salary. this is how i think apple orders or divides the cost of labor with aluminum/pcb's/intel chips, by putting it in their more expensive products. sorry, i don't really know the actual terms use in economics. and then, the mini gets the scraps, a calculated scrap.

if the scraps sells more, they'd lose the chefs, which i think, in this case means, alumunium/pcb's/intel cpu's.... the kitchen of apple would have to be reorganize to cater to selling cheaper "hotdog" mini's.... and as tasty and profitable a hotdog can be... no one will see a mini in cafe's or it's not as "marketable..."

does this make sense?
 
if the scraps sells more, they'd lose the chefs, which i think, in this case means, alumunium/pcb's/intel cpu's.... the kitchen of apple would have to be reorganize to cater to selling cheaper "hotdog" mini's.... and as tasty and profitable a hotdog can be... no one will see a mini in cafe's or it's not as "marketable..."

does this make sense?

I'm not sure now. The aluminum etc. are the chefs?
 
I like this slaughterhouse/hotdog analogy. I don't know if that's how it really works, but it might not be far off the mark. If the mini sold too well, maybe we could buy the insides without the case, or they could start selling designer enclosures.

if the mini sold too well, it would be the hypothetical mini w/ haswell & iris igpu, which doesn't exist. there could be a number of reasons why apple is not releasing a 2014 refresh of the mini. i tried to theorize on example using steak-hotdog analogy. to go further, apple wants to dictate the menu for its consumers. for whatever reason, the mac mini is not in this year's menu. i tried to theorize that apple might be afraid of its own success if it releases a 2014 refresh of the mac mini. why?

1) image -- an imac, mbp, mb are more "marketable" (no one sees a mac mini at starbucks and a mac mini is not as photogenic as say a MB or imac)
2) "assembly line" or the "kitchen of apple" has to be reorganized if their "hotdog" hypothetical mac mini starts to sell more than their other "steak" pc's-
2.5) by reorganizing "the kitchen"-- apple is "reacting" and thus not the one dictating "the menu" mentioned before and to big corporations like apple this means not stable--not quantifiable enough to take the risk
3) dictating what consumers want is basically the echelon of commerce

so, even if hypothetical mac mini sells well, apple won't be running out of the door to sell parts of it to cater to the demand. remember image and dictating in my stated reasons above.

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I'm not sure now. The aluminum etc. are the chefs?

well, the "chef" basically means the hidden cost of running a "restaurant" which in this case is apple. it is also the "design" of their pc's since chefs are known for "signature dishes." a mac mini being a hotdog needs no chefs and is cheaper. the design of the mini, if you look at it is very minimal. there is less of everything in a mac mini. less pcb footprint, less aluminium and a design that came out of necessity almost.
 
Not really…. Your posts are more like metaphor soup to a simple soul, like me.

metaphor soup. first time i've heard of it used. good job but i think you're mixing metaphor with analogy. i'm using analogies b/c of my lack of knowledge with the process and inner-workings of a computer company like apple. i know steaks and hotdogs and i've used it because it's the simplest example i can think of to analyze and theorize the lack of a 2014 refresh of the mac mini.

let's look at it like this. a hotdog is a processed food, right? it's cheap b/c a hotdog is processed everything. from its contents to how it is made and how it is then sold to consumers. it can be made and stockpiled and stored for a while in freezers and whatnot. now, a freezer cost money but hotdogs take up so little space compared to lets say a chunk of meat that the freezer overhead cost to keep hotdogs in storage are sort of nullified since the place where these hotdogs would have been kept would have already had the freezer thing infrastructure, let's say, already in place for not just hotdogs but for other much more expensive items.

this is where the hypothetical mac mini comes in. the reason why apple is not releasing a 2014 refresh is because apple, theoretically, is afraid of filling up this "freezer" with hypothetical mac mini "hotdogs" instead of more expensive and "meatier" imacs and macbook pros.

why would apple use the space they have to fill up this freezer with these "hotdogs," instead of chunkier, beefier, fresher meatier meats?

as to the current mac mini, the current mac mini, if we continue on the hotdog analogy is no longer in this "freezer." but is in the "stores" or "warehouses." if they still assemble the mac mini, i'd be surprise. i mean, if they do, they are making like 2 mac mini's a month using one person.

if apple would have released a 2014 refresh, apple would then have to make more space for the mac mini, which they don't want to. i think they're afraid that people would buy them more than their "steaks." they'd still make profit, of course, and it's not about profit as to why apple prefers not to make this scenario happen where people will be buying 2014 mac mini's more than, let's say, imacs or macbok pro's. i don't think it's also about cannibilazing sales, either. i mean, a mac mini is still a computer and it is still running the same OS as their other computers. so its not cannibalizing, either. it's IMAGE. it's STEAK vs. HOTDOG!

it's also space in the "FREEZER." apple would have to make this "freezer" hold more mac mini's than their other computers, which might mean some machinery or tool that are expensive that would have been delegated to creating imacs and macbooks would be sitting in the dust, either left to bleed money since they would still need it to be running but not making as much and have the less expensive machinery to make mac mini's go full tilt--which would be fine for us and the consumers, but, to the corporation would mean dissipating resources and money. not profit, but the money they invested in the "freezer" thingy-majig analogy i am trying to make.

oh, boy. i am even making myself confuse, now. i aparently have no iLife. get it? just kidding.
 
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