Why won't the next MacBook Pro be touchscreen? Plus my complaints regarding storage limitations

[Steve121178]

Why is there such a tolerance for being behind the curve?

Furthermore . . one might notice that with the advent of solid state drives we now have manufacturers putting out laptops with 256 and 512 GB storage like that's sufficive . . sorry buddy but your technological advancement doesn't render a newfound limitation in my needs. 1 TB should be standard for a laptop that's marketed toward creative professionals, I should be able to have a 2 TB option

With 8GB of RAM being the new standard for MacBook Air there's no reason a MacBook Pro should have anything less than 16 at a starting point, I should have an option to upgrade to 32GB

Will there be a 13 inch MacBook with an i7 The rumors are now pointing to a release of the 13 inch MacBook Pro prior to the 15 inch . . if I have to wait an extra 2 months for adequate specs I will be furious

1TB as standard? So those of us that are more than happy with 128/256/512 configurations should have to pay 100's more just to satisfy a tiny percentage of users? I don't understand your point! If you need 1TB of internal storage then pay for the upgrade or get a NAS or make use of network file shares that your place of work should have.

I'd still fully expect off the shelf 13" MacBook Pro models to come with 8GB of RAM. Higher end models may come with 16GB as standard but once again, those that don't need 16GB shouldn't be forced to pay for it. I'd expect the new 15" MacBook Pro to include 32GB RAM as an option, but I don't think this will be an option for the 13" model.

 

[tjleonard]

Why is there such a tolerance for being behind the curve?

Furthermore . . one might notice that with the advent of solid state drives we now have manufacturers putting out laptops with 256 and 512 GB storage like that's sufficive . . sorry buddy but your technological advancement doesn't render a newfound limitation in my needs. 1 TB should be standard for a laptop that's marketed toward creative professionals, I should be able to have a 2 TB option

With 8GB of RAM being the new standard for MacBook Air there's no reason a MacBook Pro should have anything less than 16 at a starting point, I should have an option to upgrade to 32GB

Will there be a 13 inch MacBook with an i7 The rumors are now pointing to a release of the 13 inch MacBook Pro prior to the 15 inch . . if I have to wait an extra 2 months for adequate specs I will be furious

I honestly don't see why to make a laptop a touch screen. I can see something like a MS-Surface, but not sure I care to touch my macbook screen and put fingerprints all over it.

I think there is an audience for 8gb of RAM in a Mac. There is still an audience for 2gb / 4gb RAM in a Windows machine...Plus, Mac's handle memory a little differently. With that said - Yes, you should (and if you should, I should too), have the option to upgrade to 32gb of RAM.

Why would you be furious having to wait for something? Good things come to those that wait.

 

[Puonti]

I would be slower with a keyboard + touchscreen combo than keyboard + touchpad + Wacom, so I don't see any benefits there personally. Alt-tabbing's always going to be faster than swiping between apps, for instance.

 

[AbsintheAbstinence]

1TB as standard? So those of us that are more than happy with 128/256/512 configurations should have to pay 100's more just to satisfy a tiny percentage of users? I don't understand your point! If you need 1TB of internal storage then pay for the upgrade or get a NAS or make use of network file shares that your place of work should have.

I'd still fully expect off the shelf 13" MacBook Pro models to come with 8GB of RAM. Higher end models may come with 16GB as standard but once again, those that don't need 16GB shouldn't be forced to pay for it. I'd expect the new 15" MacBook Pro to include 32GB RAM as an option, but I don't think this will be an option for the 13" model.

Nobody is happy with 128GB hard drive? Are you serious? Get out of town. Why are you even getting a MacBook Pro. My iPod has a bigger storage capacity than that

You're not forced to pay for anything. Get yourself a MacBook Air and stop holding the specs iof my laptop back

 

[Steve121178]

Nobody is happy with 128GB hard drive? Are you serious? Get out of town. Why are you even getting a MacBook Pro. My iPod has a bigger storage capacity than that

You're not forced to pay for anything. Get yourself a MacBook Air and stop holding the specs iof my laptop back

Dry your eyes and pay for the upgrades YOU need. That's what the CTO models are for.

 

[Puonti]

Dry your eyes and pay for the upgrades YOU need. That's what the CTO models are for.

Indeed - and to add to my previous comment about a touchscreen doing nothing for me personally, I would have absolutely nothing against Apple offering a +700 dollar touchscreen option (plus taxes) for those who think it's a must have.

 

[lowendlinux]

It all depends on how you work. I'm good with 128Gb and no touch my laptop isn't my primary computer nor will it ever be.

 

[paulCC]

Why is there such a tolerance for being behind the curve?

Furthermore . . one might notice that with the advent of solid state drives we now have manufacturers putting out laptops with 256 and 512 GB storage like that's sufficive . . sorry buddy but your technological advancement doesn't render a newfound limitation in my needs. 1 TB should be standard for a laptop that's marketed toward creative professionals, I should be able to have a 2 TB option

With 8GB of RAM being the new standard for MacBook Air there's no reason a MacBook Pro should have anything less than 16 at a starting point, I should have an option to upgrade to 32GB

Will there be a 13 inch MacBook with an i7 The rumors are now pointing to a release of the 13 inch MacBook Pro prior to the 15 inch . . if I have to wait an extra 2 months for adequate specs I will be furious

I too would love to have an Apple 2in1 device. I hate the idea of synchronizing 2 or more devices. Tha tablet mode is perfect for media content consumption, working on a plane, reading a book. Add a keyboard when needed, have an notebook user experience...

As much as I dislike switching back to Windows after some 7 years strictly on OS X, having to get some sw again, I am thinking about switching to the Acer Alpha Switch 12.

Not having Carbon Copy Clone and Timemachine is going to suck, though...

 

[nikhsub1]

I too would love to have an Apple 2in1 device. I hate the idea of synchronizing 2 or more devices. Tha tablet mode is perfect for media content consumption, working on a plane, reading a book. Add a keyboard when needed, have an notebook user experience...

As much as I dislike switching back to Windows after some 7 years strictly on OS X, having to get some sw again, I am thinking about switching to the Acer Alpha Switch 12.

Not having Carbon Copy Clone and Timemachine is going to suck, though...

Windows image backup is all you need and is very good. It allows you to restore from an image or restore individual files much like CCC and timemachine.

 

[Havok83]

I think 512gb is decent enough. I just cringe at them even having 128gb as an option

 

[Ursadorable]

The last thing I want on my laptop is fingerprints all over the crispy display. It's bad enough my iPad looks like a giant bingo card of fingerprints from playing bejewelled all the time.

 

[hiddenmarkov]

A reasonable capacity for a phone . .


Okay, after reading this thread I've installed the correct mental gymnastics to concede my request for a touchscreen, but I'll be damned if anyone tells me 256-512 is a reasonable capacity. Get out of town

size needs can vary. 512 is fine for me. In that bulk of large data needs met by a NAS and no local drive space exists to meet needs really.

I have "catalogue" OCD. I hate seeing FCP have 30 old projects/events not touched since last time I exported files for distribution/use after editing done. I shoot apple pro res 422 most of the time. rarely have I ever gone back to work on them (new vids come in all the time). So....project/event PP done, distributed, project exported to the NAS based archives and local drive space freed up.

Same with my photography stuff. Once edits and jpeg exports done....those project files goes to the NAS and off my local.

basically between .nef and pro res 422 shooting I'd need a 4 tb drive to carry all files. What my NAS is at currently for storage used...(8tb limit atm).

512 I work only with what I need and it does fine. Even has a few games since all work and no play....

if a file has not been touched in over a year....chances are it can be archived externally, and not missed if not on local. My son is 6. I work on his recent raws shots. I don't need to be carrying around 600gb of raws from when he was newborn to 2 to put it into perspective. Have the choice jpegs from among them. they fit much easier on my drive.

 

[poi ran]

because touchscreen on computers (not tablets) have been with us for years now and I see them like 3D TV's everyone bought them few have ever used it more than a couple of times.

I work in industry and we use touchscreens all the time. We started with XP and moved to Win 7. Touch saves us several seconds for every product produced/processed compared to mouse and/or keyboard (we've timed it thoroughly). Tablets aren't an option yet, we are looking into Windows tablets though as they have proper connectivity to peripherals and drivers. Seconds turns into hours quickly = money. I never use touchscreen at home (my kids try to...), and won't buy any touchscreen soon, but it's sometimes quite usable. I see little need for touchscreen on the Macbooks, considering Apple even consider the 17" Macbooks too small a market it's unlikely they'll adopt MacOS for touch just yet. It will happen though.

I very much like touchscreen on phone and tablet of course.

 

[Samuelsan2001]

I work in industry and we use touchscreens all the time. We started with XP and moved to Win 7. Touch saves us several seconds for every product produced/processed compared to mouse and/or keyboard (we've timed it thoroughly). Tablets aren't an option yet, we are looking into Windows tablets though as they have proper connectivity to peripherals and drivers. Seconds turns into hours quickly = money. I never use touchscreen at home (my kids try to...), and won't buy any touchscreen soon, but it's sometimes quite usable. I see little need for touchscreen on the Macbooks, considering Apple even consider the 17" Macbooks too small a market it's unlikely they'll adopt MacOS for touch just yet. It will happen though.

I very much like touchscreen on phone and tablet of course.

There are specific industry reasons for touch screens I agree, but they rarely translate to consumer use.

 

[frankgrimes]

I've yet to see a compelling argument for touchscreens on a notebook? Keep in mind the Surface Pro 4 is basically a tablet it's just powerful (and expensive) enough to run a full windows version. I understand the need for it on tablets I really do but on notebooks? Nope I don't want and certainly not going to pay + 300 $ for something I wouldn't use.

The only thing I could see is using it for some scrolling and pinch to zoom but man that's nothing a great trackpad or even better, the Logitech Anywhere MX can't do better.

I've seen this ******** with the dell XPS 13 + 15: if you want the High-Res version you have to pay up for touchscreen because there is no High-Res nontouchscreen version which to me is almost an insult. Really hoping Apple doesn't go down that road. Also looking at all the trouble Windows 10 notebooks with touchsreens are having I'd rather not risk it.

As far as storage goes I agree. just have smaller SSD for the OS itself and an integrated but removable HDD for stuff like images, music and movies. Yes I know, there is a cloud option but I'll never use that privacy invading tool.

 

[samiwas]

I would love a touchscreen as an option. I have always found it hysterical how some Apple fans don't even want them to offer one, because they, themselves, wouldn't use it. In fact, when I asked about a touchscreen IMac a while back, because I have several things I would like to use it for, I was essentially told I was stupid for even wanting such a thing. Steve said no, so we must understand that this cannot be an option.

But, what I found out recently that pissed me off, is that not only does Apple not have a touchscreen option...macOS doesn't even support touchscreens. I can't plug my external touchscreen in and use it. What the F is that about?!? It's plainly obvious that they're trying to drive their iMarket.

And, no, you don't have completely re-write macOS to make it a touchscreen-based OS just to have touch as a possibility.

 

[monstruo]

I bought an iPad, thinking I would be able to integrate into my workflow(design). It is hardly utilised, let alone the touch screen and its os didn't translate "pro" and efficiency to me. Indeed, it works well like apple claims: general browsing, email, games but OSX or macOS is simply where many of us can live alone with.

 

[Brandon0448]

Nobody is happy with 128GB hard drive? Are you serious? Get out of town. Why are you even getting a MacBook Pro. My iPod has a bigger storage capacity than that

You're not forced to pay for anything. Get yourself a MacBook Air and stop holding the specs iof my laptop back

3/10, you are a novice troll. You have revealed yourself with your obvious complete disregard for logic.

Having an entry model with low specs in no way holds back the maximum specs of a computer. My girlfriend and mother both have laptops with either 128 GB or 256 GB SSDs and come nowhere close to filling them. Not everybody needs a huge capacity SSD that would just jack up the base price of the computer. I on the other hand have a maxed out rMBP with 1TB because I run bootcamp and need the extra power.

The MBA has a garbage screen compared to the rMBP.

Ya'll need to stop feeding the troll. His account was made literally a few weeks ago. How more obvious can a troll get?

 

[redman042]

I use my touch screen on the Surface Pro all the time. Many times its easier while its sitting on my lap with the keyboard to touch the screen to scroll, or zoom.

This reminds me of the multitasking topic on the iPhone, so many years ago. The people would come out swinging on how it kills the battery, and how its not needed for a phone. Then when Appel rolled it out, many of those same people waxed poetically on how great apple is by re-inventing multitasking.

I think it can be very useful, I have a touch screen enabled All-In-One that my wife uses, and if Apple adds features in to OS X that embrace that type of input, it will be a great move by them

You're missing the point regarding Apple's introduction of multitasking on the iPhone.

Before Apple had it, only Android did, but on Android it wasn't well-optimized and it did kill battery life and cause one app to conflict with another at times.

When Apple did it, they didn't just "finally turn on multi-tasking". Instead they took the time to optimize the code regarding how multitasking was done so that it wouldn't excessively use the CPU in the background, or result in one backgrounded app crashing another. They implemented it in a very specific way. That was the genius behind Apple's approach.

Similarly, they aren't going to just "turn on" touch on the Mac. The UI isn't optimized for it at all. Microsoft has taken steps to adapt Windows and Office to either touch or mouse use, but it's kind of funky and inconsistent. I have been using a Surface 4 (and previously a 3) at work for a couple years. It works, and the stylus helps with small touch targets, but you have to get used to it (it's not intuitive) and at times it's frustrating. I'm still glad to have the option, but tacking on touch like this is not Apple's way.

Now, I'm preparing to switch to a Mac for the first time at home, and given that I'm used to touch being an option, this will be a transition for me. But I have an iPad Pro and can load Astropad to basically have a mirror of the Mac display in a touch screen, stylus-compatible form. I think that could work pretty great for when I need touch.

 

[lowendlinux]

You're missing the point regarding Apple's introduction of multitasking on the iPhone.

Before Apple had it, only Android did, but on Android it wasn't well-optimized and it did kill battery life and cause one app to conflict with another at times.

When Apple did it, they didn't just "finally turn on multi-tasking". Instead they took the time to optimize the code regarding how multitasking was done so that it wouldn't excessively use the CPU in the background, or result in one backgrounded app crashing another. They implemented it in a very specific way. That was the genius behind Apple's approach.

Similarly, they aren't going to just "turn on" touch on the Mac. The UI isn't optimized for it at all. Microsoft has taken steps to adapt Windows and Office to either touch or mouse use, but it's kind of funky and inconsistent. I have been using a Surface 4 (and previously a 3) at work for a couple years. It works, and the stylus helps with small touch targets, but you have to get used to it (it's not intuitive) and at times it's frustrating. I'm still glad to have the option, but tacking on touch like this is not Apple's way.

Now, I'm preparing to switch to a Mac for the first time at home, and given that I'm used to touch being an option, this will be a transition for me. But I have an iPad Pro and can load Astropad to basically have a mirror of the Mac display in a touch screen, stylus-compatible form. I think that could work pretty great for when I need touch.

See here's the thing I don't think apple did multitasking right.

 

[frankgrimes]

The thing with Android and multi tasking is simple : if the screen is big enough (5.5 inch plus) and the phone has the power it's a nice feature but nowhere near its Windows abilities

MS is stubborn when it comes to tough...they are sooo glued to the idea of one OS for everything that they are forgetting all the differences...i don't want apps on my desktops I want full powerful programs. I don't want to talk to my pc that's just weird and given MS spyware behavior really concerning.

For me this tough first mentality is one of the reasons why I'm looking at the new MBP. I mean Dell isn't able to sell a mate! QHD display without touch? That's just ridiculous I need precision and nothing beats my mouse input.

As far as Ribbon goes I can't stand that ui it's big gimmicky and not intuitive at all

 

[redman042]

See here's the thing I don't think apple did multitasking right.

That's fair, but at least they had a vision and they kept working on it until they felt it was fully ready.

There are way too many examples of Android manufacturers shoving half-baked software features out the door that end up disappearing a year or two later because they suck (eyeball scrolling anyone?).

 

[b_scott]

touch screen doesn't make sense to me for books. you'd constantly have smudges on your screen too. They're made to sit down and type - you don't need touch for that.

 

[147798]

Why is there such a tolerance for being behind the curve?

Furthermore . . one might notice that with the advent of solid state drives we now have manufacturers putting out laptops with 256 and 512 GB storage like that's sufficive . . sorry buddy but your technological advancement doesn't render a newfound limitation in my needs. 1 TB should be standard for a laptop that's marketed toward creative professionals, I should be able to have a 2 TB option

With 8GB of RAM being the new standard for MacBook Air there's no reason a MacBook Pro should have anything less than 16 at a starting point, I should have an option to upgrade to 32GB

Will there be a 13 inch MacBook with an i7 The rumors are now pointing to a release of the 13 inch MacBook Pro prior to the 15 inch . . if I have to wait an extra 2 months for adequate specs I will be furious

Agree on local storage. Bandwidth is not enough for large file creative work over cloud storage. Externals are a pain.

On the touch screen -- I would love one mostly for moving about the system -- BUT I am beginning to wonder if maybe a more advanced Siri would help salve some of these issues. I do like touch screens, but if I can get exactly what I want just by asking for it, the need might be slightly reduced. This doesn't take into consideration any creative-based uses for touch screen, though. Or using your Mac in e.g. a library. I am looking forward to the improved Siri on MacOS.

 

[danwells]

I'd love to see 2 TB, but one reason I just bought a refurb top-line 15" instead of waiting for the new one is that I don't think it's practical, after quite a bit of research. Only a very few PC laptops have 2 TB PCIe SSD capacity (a couple of HP and Lenovo workstations do). In any case I'm familiar with, it's a dual-slot setup - I don't think a 2 TB PCIe blade actually exists unless it's something oversized that is used on PCIe storage cards in desktop computers. Apple isn't about to sacrifice some battery for a second slot that is used in only one configuration, and that would be a $4000 computer (the 2 TB upgrade on the dual-slot HP is $800 extra if you already have 1 TB in the first slot - it's a total of $1300 from the base 256 GB configuration).

I'd love to see 32 GB of RAM as well, and that might be more practical with present technology - Apple actually is behind other comparable laptops here. I decided that the possibility wasn't worth the wait, the port configuration and the probability of first-generation instability.