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theluggage

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Who has set that standard? From what I can see, other PC manufacturers give away SSD storage because they can't get people to pay over a certain price for a PC.
If I was buying a PC (certainly for a desktop, possibly for laptop) I'd probably avoid Dell et. al. and go to a smaller supplier that really did build to order and where the upgrade prices were basically the retail prices for the components. So, one site is giving me the retail price of Samsung 980 Pro M.2. sticks as:

500GB: £80, 1TB: £100, 2TB: £264

...so it's pretty obvious (a) that the 1TB one offers the best value and (b) why it's not worth Samsung's while to make a 200GB option that would cost nearly as much as the 500GB one.

Laptops makers like Dell and Apple will be making similar judgements - with different numbers. As you said, laprtop prices aren't that tightly liked to the cost of individual parts, so the difference between (say) 1TB and 500GB at the sort of volume prices that Apple or Dell can command wouldn't necessarily require a significant price increase. Or rather that would be the reasoning if they were trying to make the best product for the price range. Of course, in reality it's about keeping the base price low while pulling in money from hugely marked-up upgrades, and hoarding every penny saved on the bill-of-materials. Which is life - but if it is taken to extremes and starts to result in inferior products, disappointed customers and delivery delays, it's a problem, especially with the long-term reputation of a brand.

The only reason for Apple to increase the base model is if A) its no longer cost effective for them to provide the lower tier parts, or B) there is not user/use case for that tier.
Well, as for (B) - first, Apple doesn't really have a tier for basic personal productivity, communications, web surfing, everything in the cloud etc. - or, they do, and it's called iOS. Apple have chosen not to play in the <<$1000 basic laptop/chromebook arena. Second, we're not necessarily talking about Apple's lowest tier entry-level computer here - currently the M1 MBA - for which 256GB SSD/8GB RAM might still be sensible & more in line with the rest of the industry. Even the M2 Air is being sold at a premium over that, and the 13" MBP at an even higher premium (mainly for better performance at high loads - so definitely not entry tier).

And for (A) - that's exactly what Apple have apparently failed to do with the new M2 machines - it's no longer cost effective to use 128GB modules (whatever the underlying cause, it probably boils down to cost in the end) so they've significantly downgraded the performance by only populating one channel/controller/whatever rather than increasing the spec.

In the case of the Studio it's not so clear - but there would probably be a speed increase by populating both slots and we're talking about a few tens of bucks difference in retail price between 512GB and 1TB, a fraction of that at Apple-volume pricing, and the entire range is aimed at people doing more demanding & storage hungry audio/video/graphics tasks. I can't imagine why anybody specifying a computer for "studio" use in 2022 would think twice about specifying at least 1TB of flash at current prices - especially with SSD storage where there are speed and wear advantages to having plenty of spare space.
 

kschendel

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... they've significantly downgraded the performance by only populating one channel/controller/whatever rather than increasing the spec.

But, they haven't downgraded the performance in any significant way. They have downgraded the paper numbers. They haven't done anything to make a real impact on real users using the Air the way 99.99% of 256GB Air users will use the machine ... ie, not moving tens or hundreds of gigabytes around regularly.

We saw a lot of this in the PC building world when PCIe 4.0 SSD's came out. People got themselves all wrapped around the axle worrying about 4.0 vs 3.0 and whether 4.0 m.2 slots that went through the chipset would be throttled ... and in the end it made no difference to anyone other than a handful of content creators who move around multi-gigabyte video clips. Someone (LTT maybe) even did a video showing that experienced users couldn't tell the difference among a PC using a SATA drive, one using a 3.0 drive, and one using a 4.0 drive in a blind test.

If it saved any real amount of money (it wouldn't), Apple could put SATA drives into the Air and I guarantee that if you didn't see the benchmark test numbers, you'd never notice.

It simply doesn't matter to 99.99% of users.
 

theluggage

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But, they haven't downgraded the performance in any significant way. They have downgraded the paper numbers. They haven't done anything to make a real impact on real users using the Air the way 99.99% of 256GB Air users will use the machine ... ie, not moving tens or hundreds of gigabytes around regularly.
Some benchmark comparisons are like that, but in this case we're talking about a 50% cut in peak transfer speed c.f. the M1 version - it's ridiculous to claim that isn't significant. Even if it's not night-and-day obvious it will be slowing down loading programs, swap etc. - c.f. what the M2 could do - and have a noticeable effect on copying large files, backups etc. It's the sort of figure which, if the tables were turned, Apple would be more than happy to tout as an advantage.

It may not be a deal-breaker, it may not negate the other advantages of M2 vs M1, and. it may even be the sort of thing that would be acceptable if there was a clear benefit to balance it (e.g. thermal throttling on the Air vs. no fan noise ever) - but ultimately they've decided to substantially reduce SSD performance c.f. the previous model by leaving out a few bucks worth of flash (for which the controller, solder pads etc. are already present) rather than keep up with the industry. That's not a good trend.
 
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kschendel

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Some benchmark comparisons are like that, but in this case we're talking about a 50% cut in peak transfer speed c.f. the M1 version - it's ridiculous to claim that isn't significant. Even if it's not night-and-day obvious it will be slowing down loading programs, swap etc. - c.f. what the M2 could do - and have a noticeable effect on copying large files, backups etc. It's the sort of figure which, if the tables were turned, Apple would be more than happy to tout as an advantage.

It may not be a deal-breaker, it may not negate the other advantages of M2 vs M1, and. it may even be the sort of thing that would be acceptable if there was a clear benefit to balance it (e.g. thermal throttling on the Air vs. no fan noise ever) - but ultimately they've decided to substantially reduce SSD performance c.f. the previous model by leaving out a few bucks worth of flash (for which the controller, solder pads etc. are already present) rather than keep up with the industry. That's not a good trend.
I'm sorry, but it's not ridiculous, and I'm sitting in front of the machine to prove it. The SSD's in this computer have a more than 10x disparity in paper speeds (sequential transfer), and it simply doesn't matter.

It's like a car that can go 100 MPH vs one that can hit 500MPH. Which one is faster in city traffic? Argue the paper advantage all you care to, it's simply not relevant doing almost any task.
 

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here are some real world comparisons, the video is in German (or Austrian to be precise) though:

starting at the 2min50 mark (base M2 to the left, 16GB/512GB M2 to the right)


only significant difference was while moving a 50GB file, in which case the base model actually failed miserably. 10GB file transfer was only slightly worse and boot time was actually faster on the base model, probably because it is loading less into the RAM
 
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