Will Apple make a standalone digital camera?

[arjen92]

An apple camera would be great because lets face it the industrial design and interfaces of most cameras can be a bit of a mess, and quite confusing if you aren't too knowledgeable about all the terms. Imagine what Apple could do to make an SLR for the rest of us that made it easy and simple to take great photos and teaches you to operate the manual controls and get better.

DSLR are for prosumers/professional users. I see so many people having a DSLR and they don't know how to use it (you know, they just shoot in "green square mode". So stupid, just get a point and shoot if you don't know what the options mean. If you don't know it, you don't need it.

 

[KingCrimson]

Things you can do with a DSLR that you can't with an iPhone

* mount it on a tripod
* use filters
* use large lenses
* has removable flash memory

http://geekaphone.com/blog/iphone-vs-dslr/

 

[AppleScruff1]

Things you can do with a DSLR that you can't with an iPhone

* mount it on a tripod
* use filters
* use large lenses
* has removable flash memory

http://geekaphone.com/blog/iphone-vs-dslr/

And with a Canon 5D Mark II you can shoot some mighty fine 1080p video too. You can't change lenses on cell phone camera. I don't think any cell phone has an 85mm f1.2 lens either.

DSLR are for prosumers/professional users. I see so many people having a DSLR and they don't know how to use it (you know, they just shoot in "green square mode". So stupid, just get a point and shoot if you don't know what the options mean. If you don't know it, you don't need it.

The lens quality on most DSLR's is much better than the p&s. So even using it in the automatic mode you would still get a better image.

 

[KingCrimson]

And with a Canon 5D Mark II you can shoot some mighty fine 1080p video too. You can't change lenses on cell phone camera. I don't think any cell phone has an 85mm f1.2 lens either.



The lens quality on most DSLR's is much better than the p&s. So even using it in the automatic mode you would still get a better image.

Sensor size & focal length of the lens. There is simply no comparison between a P&S(camera or smartphone) and a DSLR. Then you start getting into telephoto lens(300mm focal length) and you realize which is the "big boy" camera.

 

[FrozenTomato]

the next iphone is reportedly going to have an 8 megapixel camera.

point and shoot will die in the next few years.


The semi-pro and pro market is too small for Apple i would guess. if ever they pursue a small market it's going to be categorized as a "hobby" just like the Apple TV.

 

[KingCrimson]

the next iphone is reportedly going to have an 8 megapixel camera.

point and shoot will die in the next few years.


The semi-pro and pro market is too small for Apple i would guess. if ever they pursue a small market it's going to be categorized as a "hobby" just like the Apple TV.

I just hope Apple doesn't humiliate themselves by getting into the pro market.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

the next iphone is reportedly going to have an 8 megapixel camera.

point and shoot will die in the next few years.


The semi-pro and pro market is too small for Apple i would guess. if ever they pursue a small market it's going to be categorized as a "hobby" just like the Apple TV.

Please read what I wrote below earlier in this thread.

You also are buying the mega pixel myth. More MP does not mean better picture. The lens on the iPhone is crap. Hell lens on any smart phone is crap. It is plastic, has only digital zoom and on top of that the sensor is really small.
Compare that to a point and shoot from over 5 years ago which has much higher quality sensor, lens and digital zoom. The only thing that the iPhone has on it is higher mega pixel but guess what the older camera still takes much better pictures.

My point and shoot from 2005ish takes better pictures than an iPhone4. Simple fact is a glass lenses and larger sensor with optical zoom beats the crap out of anything they can put in a phone.

End of the day no matter how you cut it the iPhone is a cell phone camera.

Also for some other reading on the megapixel myth please read
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/08/technology/08pogue.html
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/mpmyth.htm

 

[FrozenTomato]

Please read what I wrote below earlier in this thread.

You also are buying the mega pixel myth. More MP does not mean better picture. The lens on the iPhone is crap. Hell lens on any smart phone is crap. It is plastic, has only digital zoom and on top of that the sensor is really small.
Compare that to a point and shoot from over 5 years ago which has much higher quality sensor, lens and digital zoom. The only thing that the iPhone has on it is higher mega pixel but guess what the older camera still takes much better pictures.


Also for some other reading on the megapixel myth please read
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/08/technology/08pogue.html
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/mpmyth.htm

I agree with what you're saying. but you're under the impression that people are willing to carry two devices with them.

The "better" camera is not the one that takes the better picture, it's the one that you have with you when you need to take a photo.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

I agree with what you're saying. but you're under the impression that people are willing to carry two devices with them.

The "better" camera is not the one that takes the better picture, it's the one that you have with you when you need to take a photo.

I am under no such impression. Point and shoot cameras I find are great for the times you want a real camera to take with you but thinking the cell phone is replacing those in some ways I call sad.
Are people taking more and more pictures with their phone. Yep they have been for years still does not chance the fact that they are not exactly great photos they are something that make due.

I know I and many others never have carried a point and shoot with us in the past before cell phones and when we would the type of pictures and when I am carrying one does not chance from the past.

My cell phone camera has been good enough to get what I would need for it done but point and shoot things well I am going to use a real camera. Example of point and shoots are great is when I was walking a job site I would carry a camera on me to snap photos of the world. Cell phones in that case was only used a pinch and I would often times walk back inside and go get the point and shoot to take a better photo if I ran into something unexpected.

 

[Liquorpuki]

I agree with what you're saying. but you're under the impression that people are willing to carry two devices with them.

The "better" camera is not the one that takes the better picture, it's the one that you have with you when you need to take a photo.

No, the better camera is always the one that takes the better picture.

It's just that sometimes putting a spur of the moment picture on Facebook is more important than actually taking the best picture possible. This is where your smartphone cam is better.

Does that mean smartphones are the future of photography? Not at all.

The point and click I use is a Panasonic Lumix LX3. Far from DSLR quality but head and shoulders above my iPhone camera.

Obviously if I'm going to a club, I'm not bringing the LX3 with me. Then again if I'm at a club I'm not shooting landscapes, I just want to capture my buddy passed out in the corner on his birthday... because it's funny to me. But if I'm somewhere where I want to capture a decent memory (IE an outdoors trip, a graduation, etc), I'm using the LX3. So yes I'm willing to carry two devices. Because as far as camera quality, because of things like apertures and CCD sensitivity and an LED flash that likes to saturate every low light picture it's used in, one of those cameras is not good enough.

 

[FrozenTomato]

No, the better camera is always the one that takes the better picture.

What good is a camera if you dont have it with you?

(im talkng about point and shoot)

 

[Liquorpuki]

What good is a camera if you dont have it with you?

You're thinking the inconvenience of carrying something extra determines what the better camera is. You should weigh that against the inconvenience of everyone's eyes turning white from an LED flash.

BTW there's no law that says just because you have a smartphone, you're not allowed to carry a dedicated camera. If someone doesn't have their point and click with them and wants to use it, that sounds like a personal problem.

 

[FrozenTomato]

You're thinking the inconvenience of carrying something extra determines what the better camera is.

...because when your 2 yr old toddler starts walking for the first time and the only thing you have is a smartphone it's "better" to have a photo of it than to have NONE.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

...because when your 2 yr old toddler starts walking for the first time and the only thing you have is a smartphone it's "better" to have a photo of it than to have NONE.

but that does not have smart phone killing off the point and shoot.
It just means you have crappy camera with you at all times.

 

[KingCrimson]

If I'm going to some beautiful nature, I'm taking my DSLR with me. Now theoretically if I"m at restaurant with a smartphone, I might take a photo of my dish. But that's because a DSLR in that situation would be overkill. But the idea that you can take equivalent quality photographs with a smartphone camera is ludicrous!

 

[Liquorpuki]

...because when your 2 yr old toddler starts walking for the first time and the only thing you have is a smartphone it's "better" to have a photo of it than to have NONE.

If you're ever in a situation like that, that's your own choice/fault. The only thing stopping you from having a better camera within reach is your insistence on stashing it far away.

My iPhone can create Word Docs btw. Using your logic, my iPhone is the better word processor because I always have it on me.

I don't think so

 

[FrozenTomato]

If you're ever in a situation like that, that's your own choice/fault. The only thing stopping you from having a better camera within reach is your insistence on stashing it far away.

My iPhone can create Word Docs btw. Using your logic, my iPhone is the better word processor because I always have it on me.

I don't think so

i don't disagree with you. i prefer a good point and shoot camera.

but having a crappy tool that does the job is better than having none at all.
i think this kinda illustrates my point.

iPhone 4 most popular camera on Flickr.

http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/21/iphone-4-most-popular-camera-on-flickr/

 

[Rodimus Prime]

i don't disagree with you. i prefer a good point and shoot camera.

but having a crappy tool that does the job is better than having none at all.
i think this kinda illustrates my point.

iPhone 4 most popular camera on Flickr.

Image

http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/21/iphone-4-most-popular-camera-on-flickr/

but that really shows nothing. People have a crappy cell phone camera with them all the time so those pictures get uploaded.

But does nothing to show that cell phones are replacing point and shoots which take much better pictures and if you are going to anything that you want pictures those are good for that as they can be small and easy to carry plus take much better pictures.
On top of that they are a hell of a lot easier to take pictures with.

 

[Liquorpuki]

i don't disagree with you. i prefer a good point and shoot camera.

but having a crappy tool that does the job is better than having none at all.

You keep repeating this argument, that having a crappy tool is better than having nothing at all. That's a mute point that doesn't have anything to do with the iPhone being a better camera than a standalone.

I left my screwdriver at home so I will now use a coin to remove this screw.

According to your logic the coin is a better screwdriver, because I always have one in my wallet.

iPhone 4 most popular camera on Flickr.

Image

http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/21/iphone-4-most-popular-camera-on-flickr/

Since we're talking about DSLR's vs iPhones in this thread, I can take that chart, add all the DSLR's together, redraw the chart, and show how more people use DSLR's than iPhones on Flickr. Call it what you want.