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I used to have the regular size iPad (every generation from the original to the 4th gen), but switched to the more portable iPad mini 2. Have not bought any newer iPads since then.

iOS 9 showed me that the iPad is now more usable in a desktop-like situation, and now I'm thinking of getting the regular size iPad again. However, Apple only announced the larger iPad Pro and didn't update the iPad Air 2.

My dilemma:
1. Get iPad Air 2 now. It is available refurbished, and I know Apple's refurbished is pretty much like new. So this is a great value. However, I have the iPhone 6S, and the A9 is sickeningly fast that I don't want to be at one generation behind from the start.

2. Wait and get for the iPad Pro. Its larger size will make it more useful in certain situation, at the cost of portability. And it is more expensive. But at least it is sporting the latest SoC.

3. Wait for the imaginary iPad Air 3.
Apple introduced the iPad Air 2 in October of last year. So there might still be a possibility of updating it to the A9 series chip. But this is just my imagination.

4. Wait next year and see what happen.
How will Apple use the A10? Will it be only for iPad Pro 2, and iPad Air 3 getting A9? Will the iPad Air lineup be 1 gen behind all the time?

I can kinda understand having the mini to be 1 gen behind (not cool, but I guess Apple has to segment its product). However, it is strange to have an a regular sized iPad that is behind the iPhone, SoC wise. I'm not in a hurry to get one, but if Apple's strategy is to have the iPad Air one gen behind the iPad Pro, it will be annoying moving forward.
Longer you wait...more of Buyer's remorse you will experience.
 
Longer you wait...more of Buyer's remorse you will experience.
Nothing beats buyers remorse like iPad 3 buyers when the iPad 4 was released. I really don't see apple releasing the air 3 in March unless the pro doesn't sell as they hope and they suffer more market erosion.
 
Longer you wait...more of Buyer's remorse you will experience.
?? Not sure if you can call it "buyer's remorse." I mean it's not like I am in dire need of an iPad now. I'm just exploring the possibility of Apple updating the iPad Air 2.
I do know that buying an iPad Air 2 now means having an iPad with a generation old SoC right off the gate. Seeing the jump (especially in GPU) from A8 to A9, I think the wait is worth it. Heck, the iPad Air 2 is only faster than the 6S in multi-core performance thanks to the extra core. Each core's performance, the iPhone 6S is faster. To me, the draw of the iPad Air 2 is the price since it is available refurbished now. However, as Apple is pushing iOS into desktop-class applications, I can see the horsepower demand being much more than previously predicted.

Anyway, I can wait.
 
?? Not sure if you can call it "buyer's remorse." I mean it's not like I am in dire need of an iPad now. I'm just exploring the possibility of Apple updating the iPad Air 2.
I do know that buying an iPad Air 2 now means having an iPad with a generation old SoC right off the gate. Seeing the jump (especially in GPU) from A8 to A9, I think the wait is worth it. Heck, the iPad Air 2 is only faster than the 6S in multi-core performance thanks to the extra core. Each core's performance, the iPhone 6S is faster. To me, the draw of the iPad Air 2 is the price since it is available refurbished now. However, as Apple is pushing iOS into desktop-class applications, I can see the horsepower demand being much more than previously predicted.

Anyway, I can wait.
okay cool. Don't get it.
 
My guess is that the next version will have 3D touch. The iPhone 6s is their testbed. The larger screen likely will present some significant problems which will take time to resolve.

If this guess is correct then I wouldn't expect an upgrade to the Air 2 anytime soon.
 
My guess is that the next version will have 3D touch. The iPhone 6s is their testbed. The larger screen likely will present some significant problems which will take time to resolve.

If this guess is correct then I wouldn't expect an upgrade to the Air 2 anytime soon.
Although it seems natural for 3D touch to trickle up to iPads, I'm not sure if it make sense. On iPhone, we use our thumb primarily for interacting with the screen while resting the phone on the hand, so it supports the additional pressure for 3D touch. On an iPad, I think the index finger is the primary finger. Furthermore, the iPad never have a vibrating motor, and imagine how awkward it is to have a large iPad vibrating.

The only thing I can think of is the support for Apple pencil to trickle down to the next iPad Air, at least that's my wish.
 
?? Not sure if you can call it "buyer's remorse." I mean it's not like I am in dire need of an iPad now. I'm just exploring the possibility of Apple updating the iPad Air 2.
I do know that buying an iPad Air 2 now means having an iPad with a generation old SoC right off the gate. Seeing the jump (especially in GPU) from A8 to A9, I think the wait is worth it. Heck, the iPad Air 2 is only faster than the 6S in multi-core performance thanks to the extra core. Each core's performance, the iPhone 6S is faster. To me, the draw of the iPad Air 2 is the price since it is available refurbished now. However, as Apple is pushing iOS into desktop-class applications, I can see the horsepower demand being much more than previously predicted.

Anyway, I can wait.


Problem with your statement is the iPad Air 2 doesn't have the A8.....That is a dual core clocked around 1.3ghz I believe. The iPad Air 2 has the A8x which is clocked at 1.5ghz and is a triple core cpu. And let's not forget about the ram
 
I'm buying a new Air 2 now. There are so many discount available that I prefer this to waiting and paying full price.
 
Problem with your statement is the iPad Air 2 doesn't have the A8.....That is a dual core clocked around 1.3ghz I believe. The iPad Air 2 has the A8x which is clocked at 1.5ghz and is a triple core cpu. And let's not forget about the ram
In single core benchmarks, the iPhone 6S beat the iPad Air 2 easily, with a significant margin. Like I stated, the iPad only wins in multi-core performance for obvious reason (having more cores). But each individual core is less efficient than the A9. Now I'm not saying the iPad Air 2 is slow. It's just that for my own preference, I'd rather not buy something with a year-old SoC.
 
Does the ipad air 2 really NEED an upgrade right now? I play all my games, multi task like a boss, and i don't ever see any problems. Do people just want to upgrade for the sake of saying they have the newest and greatest?
 
same old argument always......what if i purchase and Apple upgrade? which they will of course. just a case of when.

and the answer is always the same (as non can honestly say when upgrades will happen) - if you want, then go and buy :)
 
In single core benchmarks, the iPhone 6S beat the iPad Air 2 easily, with a significant margin. Like I stated, the iPad only wins in multi-core performance for obvious reason (having more cores). But each individual core is less efficient than the A9. Now I'm not saying the iPad Air 2 is slow. It's just that for my own preference, I'd rather not buy something with a year-old SoC.

But what other choice you have? Even the just released Mini 4 is more crippled than the Air 2 as it's missing a core and GPU is also weaker. Only the really expensive iPad Pro can beat the Air 2 in iPad land. Apple also has been pretty good in programming in leveraging the load onto the 3rd core as the Air 2 feels a bit faster than the Mini 4 and feels pretty much as fast as my 6S+
 
Considering that Apple released the iPad Mini 4 with similar specs to the iPad Air 2 I wouldn't expect to see an iPad Air refresh until Autumn 2016. Its not like the iPad Air 2 is a slouch, it positively flies on iOS 9.
 
In single core benchmarks, the iPhone 6S beat the iPad Air 2 easily, with a significant margin. Like I stated, the iPad only wins in multi-core performance for obvious reason (having more cores). But each individual core is less efficient than the A9. Now I'm not saying the iPad Air 2 is slow. It's just that for my own preference, I'd rather not buy something with a year-old SoC.

Look at it this way, do you find the Air 2 to be slow, underpowered, and unable to meet your needs, or is it just the idea that it's a year old that bothers you? Because I think that it, and even the Mini 4, still perform well by current standards, and are likely to do so for some time. I think that people get too hung up on the idea of wanting to have the fastest, most powerful device possible, and that leads to them seldom being happy for long because a better version is always in the works.
 
In single core benchmarks, the iPhone 6S beat the iPad Air 2 easily, with a significant margin. Like I stated, the iPad only wins in multi-core performance for obvious reason (having more cores). But each individual core is less efficient than the A9. Now I'm not saying the iPad Air 2 is slow. It's just that for my own preference, I'd rather not buy something with a year-old SoC.


That's only single core cpu.....And on a OS where it's not dependent on clock speed. Of course single core will win since the A9 is clocked at 2.2 and the A8x is 1.5



Cpu performance isn't a factor with ios.....with Android it does a little bit more.....either don't buy it or don't but it's specs basically matches up to the A9
 
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Okay, I think it's enough. Part of my intention was to have a discussion on the future updates on iPad, but I sense it will simply go into a flame war.
Mod, please lock the thread.
 
Although it seems natural for 3D touch to trickle up to iPads, I'm not sure if it make sense. On iPhone, we use our thumb primarily for interacting with the screen while resting the phone on the hand, so it supports the additional pressure for 3D touch. On an iPad, I think the index finger is the primary finger. Furthermore, the iPad never have a vibrating motor, and imagine how awkward it is to have a large iPad vibrating.

The only thing I can think of is the support for Apple pencil to trickle down to the next iPad Air, at least that's my wish.

I think your points on 3D Touch on an iPad make a lot of sense, though I don't know how Apple is going to view that. My own hunch on the "pencil" is that Apple will reserve that solely for the iPP in order to maintain product segregation. That's just a guess - we will have to wait to see.
 
I'd actually be alright if they skipped it and waited until next October. I got my Air 2 a week after launch last year so I'm OK that it hasn't been updated. A spring launch does seem possible though.
 
The way I see it. iPads are good for 3 years. if you buy an Air 2, you are only getting 2 of the 3 usable years. it really should be 30% less expensive.. but that's not Apple's way of doing things. So you either get the iPad Pro, knowing you will get full 3-4 years out of it, and it's a better, larger device... or wait for Air 3. Ultimatly, the iPad Pro is less expensive device than buying the Air2 if you have to bake in the fact you'll need to buy a 2nd iPad Air to make it 4 years of useful life.

Unless you "gotsta" have one this month... then you are stuck with taking a loss on an Air 2 and in 2 years having to buy the Air 4. Apply will ensure that your iPads last no more than 3 years before becoming really slow and frustrating to use for anything other than email.
 
The way I see it. iPads are good for 3 years. if you buy an Air 2, you are only getting 2 of the 3 usable years. it really should be 30% less expensive.. but that's not Apple's way of doing things. So you either get the iPad Pro, knowing you will get full 3-4 years out of it, and it's a better, larger device... or wait for Air 3. Ultimatly, the iPad Pro is less expensive device than buying the Air2 if you have to bake in the fact you'll need to buy a 2nd iPad Air to make it 4 years of useful life.

Unless you "gotsta" have one this month... then you are stuck with taking a loss on an Air 2 and in 2 years having to buy the Air 4. Apply will ensure that your iPads last no more than 3 years before becoming really slow and frustrating to use for anything other than email.

In that case, how do you evaluate the Mini 4?
 
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I used to have the regular size iPad (every generation from the original to the 4th gen), but switched to the more portable iPad mini 2. Have not bought any newer iPads since then.

iOS 9 showed me that the iPad is now more usable in a desktop-like situation, and now I'm thinking of getting the regular size iPad again. However, Apple only announced the larger iPad Pro and didn't update the iPad Air 2.

My dilemma:
1. Get iPad Air 2 now. It is available refurbished, and I know Apple's refurbished is pretty much like new. So this is a great value. However, I have the iPhone 6S, and the A9 is sickeningly fast that I don't want to be at one generation behind from the start.

2. Wait and get for the iPad Pro. Its larger size will make it more useful in certain situation, at the cost of portability. And it is more expensive. But at least it is sporting the latest SoC.

3. Wait for the imaginary iPad Air 3.
Apple introduced the iPad Air 2 in October of last year. So there might still be a possibility of updating it to the A9 series chip. But this is just my imagination.

4. Wait next year and see what happen.
How will Apple use the A10? Will it be only for iPad Pro 2, and iPad Air 3 getting A9? Will the iPad Air lineup be 1 gen behind all the time?

I can kinda understand having the mini to be 1 gen behind (not cool, but I guess Apple has to segment its product). However, it is strange to have an a regular sized iPad that is behind the iPhone, SoC wise. I'm not in a hurry to get one, but if Apple's strategy is to have the iPad Air one gen behind the iPad Pro, it will be annoying moving forward.
My dilemma is your dilemma, chiming in before your request to lock this thread is honored. My dilemma is complicated by also considering a Mini 4. I went to Best Buy today and an Apple Store today to compare the Mini 4 to the Air 2 - I own an Air 32GB and iPad 3 64GB (both with LTE with VZW UL data SIMs in them - I absolutely want a cellular model, and I really want a 128 GB model). I'd love to see an Air 3.

TL;DR answer: I'm now waiting to see and buy the Pro in the 128GB cellular model (likely with a Pencil but not with the Keyboard), with an Air 2 from the Refurb Store as a back up - and sell my iPad 3 and/or Air and use the unsold iPad as a screen for my Mini with the Duet app. I also might keep my Air and not buy an Air 2 until the mythical Air 3 comes out.

Portability is a non-issue for me. I already have cloud services (like Office 365 Business/Enterprise), an UL data plan and can connect to both Comcast and VZW wifi hotspots. Oh, and I'm 6'7" - the large iPad isn't looking to be that large, to me. But, since I have two servers that I can VPN into and cloud services I see the Pro as a replacement for my 15" rMBP.

As to the Air 3? I have a Staples, Best Buy, and VZW corporate store within walking distance. None of them have the Mini 4 out, but they're in stock. They're all still displaying Mini 3s. Look at their websites - all of their Air 2s are still rocking iOS 8.1 - in other words, they've likely had those boxes of iPad Air 2s since last Christmas and it's a backstock issue IMHO. If they're not showing what they already have in stock - Mini 4s, they're not ready to push Air 3s just yet when they've likely got bunches "in the back", and it's likely they've conveyed that to Apple IMHO.

The Air 2 is sweet. But, I'm looking forward to using a Pro with a Pencil and Astropad/Duet and taking the Pro out and about and leaving my rMBP at home. Cheers!
 
I am under the same dilemma. iPad Air 2 is a great device. However I am pretty confident that Apple will release the next iPad Air by first quarter of next year.

The same thing happened with iPad 3. I buy three was launched in October and iPad for was launched in March Of following year. Hence, I feel that the new iPad will launch in March of next year. Given the variety of products Apple is dealing with, it can be challenging for both supply chain perspective and consumer buying perspective to Jam it all in one quarter.


If you really don't need to update the device Right now that I'd wait. iPad mini two is still very usable.

Incorrect. iPad 3 was launched in March. iPad 4 was launched in October with the launch of the iPhone 5, giving both devices the Lightning connector. Since then all iPads have come out in the fall. iPads 1-3 were all Spring releases. All iPhones and iPads have been fall launches since then. Additionally, I don't think the next Apple Watch will come out till next fall. Keeping everything on fall releases, just in time for holidays.

I do not think we will see another iPad Air until next fall. The iPad Air 2 is still a superior device.
 
In my opinion, the iPad Air will never have the latest AX-chip now that there is an iPad Pro. That's not necessarily a bad thing, as the A9X next year would still be killer, just as the A8X is still a beast today.

I don't see an iPad Air 3 release next Spring because that would mean it would "catch-up" to the iPad Pro, and I would think Apple would not want that. That being said, an iPad Air 2 (in my opinion) is only worth it at $399 or less, since you could have gotten one a year ago for the same $499.

I think ipad air 2 won' t get the best soc/cpu, too.
I think the a9x on the ipad pro is a quadcore with 4 gb.
The air 3 will get a variation of the A9 soc, though.
I don' t know how they will call it, but i think it will be a tricore a9 soc with 2 or perhaps 3gb. Perhaps a a9LX or something like that.

My guess : march/april, with new macbooks and new version of the apple watch.
 
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