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Resolved Will the iMac's be released tommorow?

Torrijos said:
Honestly I'm still hopping for Apple to do something drastic about their GPU situation, with AMD and Nvidia barely offering compatible cards in the lifetime of a Mac Pro, that maybe Apple should develop their own GPU based on PowerVR series6.
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You're kidding, right? Intel tried to make a forray into the discrete GPU market and couldn't get past square one. Look up Intel Larrabee.

This is INTEL we're talking about. Aside from the current big 2 names in the market, who ELSE would you guess could pull this off. Right out of the gates with chip engineers, fab plants, experience in basic onboard 3D concepts, etc. It was LAUGHABLE and a failure.

Apple isn't a divine, reality-bending company just because they have snazzy case designers and love them some software integration. They could not do this. They could go for 10 years before they come close to offering what Intel already gives in their new onboard chips.
 
I've been waiting too long for this iMac… Should've just bought one in May :rolleyes: I'm a Mechanical Engineering undergrad with a 2009 iMac 27 with a sick hard drive… I need this new one sooooo bad! Come on Apple, I've got $3k burning a hole in my pocket!
 
minisuds7 said:
I've been waiting too long for this iMac… Should've just bought one in May :rolleyes: I'm a Mechanical Engineering undergrad with a 2009 iMac 27 with a sick hard drive… I need this new one sooooo bad! Come on Apple, I've got $3k burning a hole in my pocket!
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2009 is really not that old. If I had that one I would wait for the next years model with probable retina.
 
Also, with it being the anniversary of 9/11 tomorrow, I doubt Apple would release anything. I even guess that the only reason the iPhone event is on wednesday is so it doesn't coincide with 9/11 remembrance. (As Apple normally love tuesday events)
 
Nandifix said:
2009 is really not that old. If I had that one I would wait for the next years model with probable retina.
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What does "retina" even mean? It means you can't see the pixels. retina is not a big deal. It's a big deal on small screens because people zoom all the time on a small screen.

The big deal for imacs is TV integration. What with Valve/Steam now offering all their games interfaced with your television, the next generation of "desktops" are going to double "home entertainment" systems and console platforms.

Nobody is going to care that an imac has retina, if people are using their 60" flat screen TV to surf the web, watch youtube, play skyrim and team fortress 2 all with their xbox 360 controller. Apple's main goal is integrating apple TV with their imacs.

Preview of Steams Big Picture

The 27" imac is retina when you're sitting on your couch 9 feet away.
 
mojothemonkey said:
You're kidding, right? Intel tried to make a forray into the discrete GPU market and couldn't get past square one. Look up Intel Larrabee.

This is INTEL we're talking about. Aside from the current big 2 names in the market, who ELSE would you guess could pull this off. Right out of the gates with chip engineers, fab plants, experience in basic onboard 3D concepts, etc. It was LAUGHABLE and a failure.

Apple isn't a divine, reality-bending company just because they have snazzy case designers and love them some software integration. They could not do this. They could go for 10 years before they come close to offering what Intel already gives in their new onboard chips.
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Apple using PowerVR IPs has been beating Nvidia in mobile GPUs performances for a couple of years now.
Then consider the fact that all GPUs manufacturers (AMD, Nvidia and PowerVR) are moving to a similar kind of technology based on general calculations unit, and PowerVR has had demonstrator desktop level GPUs cards.
The same PowerVR bought a company that developed OpenRL (which could be nice for the 3D pros).

As for Intel their iGPU performances have improved dramatically, in part the same concepts that PowerVR.

The real issue here is to know if Apple can continue being a second class customer of the big GPUs companies (like the past Mac Pro generations that had almost no choice in out-of-the-box mac-compatible discrete GPUs), as a mean to put pressure on them making their own GPUs based on easily available IPs might be a good idea, since this is a moment where all GPUs are switching to general purpose architectures that play nice with OpenCL and allow them to better control power consumption.
 
Bargle said:
What does "retina" even mean? It means you can't see the pixels. retina is not a big deal.
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I disagree. We were never meant to see pixels. The only reason we did is because we didn't have the technology to hide them.

Every time you see a pixel, you are reminded that this is not an image but a digital representation of a image. This is not real. This is fake. A board game on the retina iPad doesn't look like a video game version of the board game. It can look like the actual board.

Most people have been looking at pixels their whole life that their brains has learned to hide them. People can discern an incredible amount of detail from extremely pixelated images because the brain is literally filling in the gaps.

To better illustrate this, check out this video. The whole video is interesting but if you're low on time, skip to 12:20:

http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_dennett_on_our_consciousness.html

This is why people who use the retina iPad for a long period of time and then pick up an iPad 2 are immediately distracted by the pixels. But if you use the iPad 2 for a long period of time, you don't notice the pixels anymore

So if your brain can just "fill in details", then is a retina still necessary? Yes, because those details are not "real" and causing your brain to work harder means working on a non retina display is more tiring.

Personally, I couldn't see myself buying another non retina device.
 
drjsway said:
Every time you see a pixel, you are reminded that this is not an image but a digital representation of a image. This is not real. This is fake. A board game on the retina iPad doesn't look like a video game version of the board game. It can look like the actual board.

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So if your brain can just "fill in details", then is a retina still necessary? Yes, because those details are not "real" and causing your brain to work harder means working on a non retina display is more tiring.
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I'm sorry... but are you implying that the high quality of a retina screen makes the digital representations shown on them MORE real than on non-retina screens? (Not intended to be rude, just curious.)
 
Mister Bumbo said:
I'm sorry... but are you implying that the high quality of a retina screen makes the digital representations shown on them MORE real than on non-retina screens? (Not intended to be rude, just curious.)
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I used real for lack of a better word. Every time you see pixels, you are just seeing colored dots on a screen. Your brain has to literally fill in the gaps and form a coherent image out of it. The ultimate goal from the very beginning was to make the pixels so small you can't see them.

The universe itself is also made up of tiny blocks like pixels which are too small to see.
 
Torrijos said:
At this point its getting pretty bleak...

We haven't heard any real rumor (for a true redesign of the cases), no talk about GPUs parts like for the MBPro, so either Apple has become really good at hiding designs (unlikely seeing iPhone 5 prototypes), or they're just not coming :
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Pretty much what I've been saying' - there should be a design leak by now, if it was a spec bump then it could have been done months ago. I'm still hoping for October.
 
Chupa Chupa said:
Yup. Good 'ol Digitimes, always up for a prank.
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Yeah if that is a fact, that there is NO schedule for when the high end iMac is ready, I would be shocked. So apple has no plans for the coming product dates and launches. So what digitimes is saying is that apple just makes stuff and wing the dates....sounds reasonable :D
 
Scrapula said:
Pretty much what I've been saying' - there should be a design leak by now, if it was a spec bump then it could have been done months ago. I'm still hoping for October.
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Same here. The longer it takes, the more I'm anticipating a redesign.
 
Apple is not going to release anything on 9-11. It would look bad as most are looking back to events 11-years ago. Nothing but disrespect to release today.
 
If we were to globally hold on to awful happenings and not do anything on those days we wouldn't have any "free" days left. It was 11 years ago, and instead of focusing on saving some of the thousands upon thousands people that die each day to much more intereceptable reasons, americans keep nagging on about how awful that day was, going nowhere. No disrespect intended, but from a non-american's point of view I have trouble understanding how people still feel like it was yesterday.

Also, Apple isn't an US-only company. Their main market is the US - sure, but if they were to check every tuesday in every country they make business in, there probably would be awfully few tuesdays available.

On topic again: I personally don't see how Apple could redesign the iMac to a "new design", the whole point of the iMac is it's concept design, and short of trimming the edges there isn't much left to do.
 
iMcLovin said:
Yeah if that is a fact, that there is NO schedule for when the high end iMac is ready, I would be shocked. So apple has no plans for the coming product dates and launches. So what digitimes is saying is that apple just makes stuff and wing the dates....sounds reasonable :D
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or possibly has no immediate plans to make a 27" :(
 
Mister Bumbo said:
If we were to globally hold on to awful happenings and not do anything on those days we wouldn't have any "free" days left. It was 11 years ago, and instead of focusing on saving some of the thousands upon thousands people that die each day to much more intereceptable reasons, americans keep nagging on about how awful that day was, going nowhere. No disrespect intended, but from a non-american's point of view I have trouble understanding how people still feel like it was yesterday.
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Way way OT, but..

You may not be aware that we still recognize Pearl Harbor Day, though the list of people that were alive for that and still remember it is quite short. Major attacks (especially of foreign origin) on US soil are extremely rare, and leave lasting impressions when they happen.
 
drjsway said:
I disagree. We were never meant to see pixels. The only reason we did is because we didn't have the technology to hide them.
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Of late I've been opining that specifications are excuses for inadequacy. Users ask about, and sellers provide, specifications because the product isn't good enough.

In the case of pixels, specs like "1024x768" are thrown around not because most customers grasp them, but because the product is bad enough that sellers must in effect say "well, at least it's not 800x600! could be worse but it's not!" Fact is, users don't want to care about pixel count. "Retina" is about achieving the "don't care 'cuz it's good enough not to" state: pixel density so high nobody cares what it is, it can't get any better in any meaningful way.

Ditto speed, storage, bandwidth, etc. - if the customer needs to know the numbers, the product still isn't good enough. It should be good enough that actual values don't matter. Hence Apple's insistence on 802.11n networking, flash storage (for speed), iCloud (for capacity in long-term, plus distribution), retina, etc. - specifications so good most customers go "yeah, whatever, it's good enough to not fuss about specification details - it just works."
 
minisuds7 said:
I've been waiting too long for this iMac… Should've just bought one in May :rolleyes: I'm a Mechanical Engineering undergrad with a 2009 iMac 27 with a sick hard drive… I need this new one sooooo bad! Come on Apple, I've got $3k burning a hole in my pocket!
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2009? Back your stuff up and drop in a new HD. Then spend your $3000 on important stuff, like beer and girls.
 
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