Whoa. I just waded through that yesterday. Those are some pretty big shoes to fill.
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Will There Be a Class Distinction Between nMP & cMP Owners?
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Whoa. I just waded through that yesterday. Those are some pretty big shoes to fill.
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Pass the time until what, pray tell?
LOL... "get a job"...
No thanks, I'm happy running my own business... but feel free to heed your own advice!
Heh. That really drives home how silly the idea of the Mac Pro as a 'luxury' computer is. Realistically, for the tasks typical users perform, it's not even going to feel that much faster. There's not going to be a night and day qualitative difference between this and, say, a 13" rMBP when browsing the web, sending email, editing office documents, etc.
It won't be until you kick off a DCP encode in 24 threads or start color grading 4K raw camera footage that you really see the difference between this machine and other machines in the Mac lineup.
The Mac Pro isn't really a luxury version of other Macs. It certainly has some luxurious touches to it, but it's more like how some long-haul trucks have somewhat luxurious cabins and sleeper cabs. This stuff is just there because when you're a professional who uses a particular tool for a substantial fraction of your waking life, these touches are actually a very effective quality of life upgrade. The fact that some long-haul trucks have some luxurious touches doesn't cause non-truckers to buy 18-wheelers instead of cars just because they cost more.
This is a very good comment. This sums up my view on the nMP exactly. If you need to do professional editing on this machine and you want to run OSX and you want to run 4K displays then the nMP makes a lot of sense and I think it is very reasonably priced. If you want you can also get a very good deal on a cMP and probably get it to run just as fast and do most things similar. But the addition of USB3, TB2 and the beautiful aesthetics of the nMP make it a reasonable offering to a lot of people.
+100 for being one of the only "automotive analogies" to actually be nearly 100% spot on.
And, I have a commercial license to drive 18-wheelers. Although, since it pays less than software engineering I haven't used it recently.
This is the kind of question you only see on places like macrumors, where Apple fanatics with too much disposable income, who have been used to always having the best iPhone, the newest iPad etc. suddenly start applying the same logic to entirely unsuited products.
So, no. There won't be a class distinction, except among immature kiddies with too much money who manage to persuade their parents to waste their money on a Mac Pro that they'll end up using for Facebook and making stupid meme images on their torrented version of Photoshop.
For the people it's aimed at, buying an nMP isn't a decision about status or elitism. It's a business decision. The same business decision that allows me to comfortably continue using my "old" MP because it satisfies the requirements of my work. Should that situation ever change, I will consider buying one. But I'll also consider other vendor's workstations too.
So, no. There won't be a class distinction, except among immature kiddies with too much money who manage to persuade their parents to waste their money on a Mac Pro that they'll end up using for Facebook and making stupid meme images on their torrented version of Photoshop.
For the people it's aimed at, buying an nMP isn't a decision about status or elitism. It's a business decision. The same business decision that allows me to comfortably continue using my "old" MP because it satisfies the requirements of my work. Should that situation ever change, I will consider buying one. But I'll also consider other vendor's workstations too.
Oh, ok.
"This thread must be full of poor teenagers and college kids. Why is everyone complaining about the pricing. I can generate income to pay for the fully specced version in 2 days of work. As a few others have noted, there are obviously very few actual professionals on this thread. The complainers should just leave and go back to their LeapPad Pros."
First sentence, referring to those complaining about price of nMP being greater than the prior version means they must be poor teenagers and college kids - Maybe you didn't perceive the complaints on price to be relative to the prior version. I know that plenty find the nMP to be less machine for more money.
Second sentence, bragging about your ability to earn approximately $5000 a day - Granted, you didn't say you *do* earn that much, but that you *can* earn that much. There's a lot of wiggle room here, but basically, you come out swinging for the fences with self-righteous baller-hero status talk.
Third sentence, stating there are few actual professionals discussing the subject - Another self-righteous remark that attempts to elevate yourself above the... what, teens and college students?... makes you come across as better-than-you.
Last sentence, in which you announce that the complainers should go play with inferior devices, rather than soil the holy reputation of the latest offering - Well, hopefully you see by now that your entire post sounds like you think you're better than any green, no-account teen plebs that might disagree with what you feel is a spanking deal on the new Mac Pro.
That is how your comment about those complaining about the price - which, in case you didn't realize it, happens to consist of many current Mac Pro users - relates directly to those same cMP users. The complainers *are* the current users, just to drive that point all the way home.
I concur, and I'm having the same experience. It would be fiscally irresponsible for *me* to buy a nMP, because it would require replacing a perfectly good PCIe-based RAID system for a slower, messier and more expensive Thunderbolt system. If a Mac Pro after this nMP comes out with faster Thunderbolt and other changes that suit my business, I may consider one at that time.
It's not a matter of making enough money for one at all. It's about the colossal waste of money it would be for my purposes today.
Being from Texas, I was going to the F-350 dually ranch truck analogy but this will do nicely.
I nominate this for best thread since...
Insider preview of the 2013 Mac Pro design principles.
No better way to pass the time... I need to go get some popcorn!
that poor guy.. he's telling the truth #
Being from Texas, I was going to the F-350 dually ranch truck analogy but this will do nicely.
yeah right.. those things are fashionable down there.
The answer to the first question is "Of course." however the degree of split will depend on individual user attitudes. In any group differences tend to be magnified when viewed from within the group. I'm Jewish. You'd be surprised the difference Jews notice about each other and the some-time extreme reactions to those differences. Some of my best friends are orthodox and I even get along with the reformed.
What do Mac owners think of PC owners?
The answer to the second question is also subjective. I remember how proud I was of my Fat Mac in 1985 and how I explained (correctly) to my many PC owner associates all the shortcomings of the 8086 and PC-DOS. Of course some nMP owners will react in a similar way. I hope I won't. Over time I don't think it will be that big a deal. Who knows, the oMP owner may look down on us.
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And I've been buying $8-15 digital watches from Radio Shack for about 15 years. I'm amazed by their accuracy compared with my old Omega Flightmaster. I've even been known to ridicule "the fools who waste money on expensive watches."
But then, I'm strange. I don't own a cell phone and I see no personal reason for buying one.
But then, I'm strange. I don't own a cell phone and I see no personal reason for buying one.
crossword puzzles on the subway without making a bunch of chickenscratch # due to the nonsmoothity.
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For some, no doubt. That's why it's a pretty good analogy.
ha.. got it
I keep hearing this over and over again, I guess because it has dual cards? But there are people with the cMP and four video cards. It has also been shown that the cMP, admittedly with supplemental power, can accept top-of-the-line GPUs that are faster than the fastest offering in the nMP.
The cMP has options available that support CUDA, the nMP does not. You can easily drop in third party GPUs into the cMP via PCIe, something you can't do on the nMP. The nMP has a wimpy 450W power supply, how is that ever going to suffice for the ever increasingly power hungry cards coming out?
If GPU workflow is truly the future, wouldn't the future have been better served with an updated cheese grater with 4x 8-pin PCIe power connectors? (Or even more?)
I don't understand why so many people think the GPU is why the nMP is better than the cMP. The GPU situation is actually my main gripe with the nMP. Even the existing cheese grater is better in virtually every conceivable way for GPU, and an updated one would have stomped the nMP.
To me the nMP is about powerful computing in a small but efficient package, with smallness and efficiency taking priority over all else.
Maybe I'm colossally out of touch. I've been wrong before, many times. But I just don't get the GPU argument at all. AT ALL.
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You can't fit four pro quality video cards in a cMP. You just can't. Four double wide cards won't fit. You can fit four mid end cards, but that's usually the same amount of horsepower as two pro quality cards.
if you are not a professional you have absolutely no right to purchase a new mac pro and should be frowned upon for using one as a personal computer
The new Mac Pro has nothing "prestigious", it's just a revolution in the Art of Computing. Using it will be as exciting as piloting an airplane instead of driving a car.
That implies absolutely no disdain against car owners. I own myself one ( Mac Pro 3,1 thouroughly hacked), which I shall keep even though I just ordered the new beast.
Agree with your sarcastic point, but to add to the topic, just don't do it and take an elitist attitude towards those getting the job done on other computers. To each their own.
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How is it like flying an airplane compared to driving a car? You lost me.
me too.. maybe coupe vs sedan but not plane vs car.. when you're actually sitting at either computer getting stuff done, they're going to feel more/less the same.. at least incredibly familiar.
Exactly, I keep my workstations racked in a closet. If the new one isn't faster, how do the tools seem any different?