As someone who knows GPU market far better than you, maybe you should occasionally take my word?
i do. sometimes.
I converse with Mac Pro owners every day who want new GPUs, you don't have a Mac Pro anymore as I recall.
nope.. still have one.
Yet somehow you have deemed yourself expert in all things Mac Pro related.
that's baloney..
i talk about two things.. i'm really only interested in two things in regards to this forum.
design & usability.
you're going to be very hard pressed to find me being 'an expert' about anything else.
i'm not saying you can buy a new d700 through legit channels because i'm an expert.. i'm saying it because i see they are available for purchase.. if apple had a problem with those being sold in this manner, you can be pretty damn sure apple would stop it from happening.
Apple makes a point of NOT including older models in new upgrades.
Here is a page of proof for you:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203478
They claimed you needed a 2010 Mac Pro or newer. Yet it is well known that this card is a great update for every Mac Pro ever made, especially the 1,1s as it has boot screen support. So, by your logic Apple should have been offering these babies up to max out profit. Instead, they pointlessly limited sales and support to a small subset of the total possible market.
tbh, i don't know what you nor that link is talking about.. i'm sure i'm missing something but i have a 5770 in a 1.1.. that i bought from mikey's and it was in an box with an apple logo and something like 'gpu upgrade' written on there.
what's the difference between the one i have and the one you&link are talking about?
You simply have no idea what you are talking about.
that's not true.. i don't think you listen to people.. or you certainly don't understand what they're saying.. too busy trying to put your own spin on it instead of listening.
The AC WiFi card from a 2013 rMBP is a GREAT upgrade for a 2012 rMBP or 2012 iMac because it brings AC WiFi and full Handoff/Continuity support. By your "logic" Apple should be offering these up for a premium for 2012 rMBP and 2012 iMacs. In fact, they do the opposite.
that's not my logic though.. much of my logic re:nmp and what i speak about has to do with the fact that nmp is designed&assembled in a completely different manner than mbp.. i.e.:
2013 Mac Pro teardown reveals Apple’s first easily repairable computer in years
the mac pro is not an iphone.. it's not an imac.. it's not a laptop.. it's put together differently..
and what's crazy is how completely obvious it's put together differently than all these other macs.
im not saying anything profound or smart or nothing like that.. i'm saying something that's right in front of all of our noses.
why does this not click with you?
when i said:
for the record, i'm thinking the teardown score will be 8+/10 ease
and the teardown score comes in at 8..
do you think i just pulled a number out of the hat that randomly matched up with some other number and got lucky?
or maybe i actually was saying something with substance or thought behind it?
i get it.. i get that you're saying i will never go into best buy and pull a shiny packaged d800 for mac pro off the shelf.
i also don't believe apple will, upon releasing 7.1, boast 'and hey all you 6.1 owners.. check out these new gpus for you'..
much of your counterpoints stem from these types of places but the problem is.. i'm not saying that stuff in the first place.. you're literally arguing me about stuff i haven't said. often
and in the meantime, you're certainly blocking out anything i do have to say.
so be it.. we'll just continue to tangle. i'm ok with that.
Apple has a rigid way of thinking. An old computer is no longer a friend, it is a potential lost future computer sale. So offering updates, even at a great profit, to make older one be like new one is 100% against their grain.
ah.. been sipping on that mvc koolaid again i see ; )
To me the amazing thing is that you keep arguing for things that every speck of past history, logic, and reason show just aren't how things work in Cupertino.
the mac pro and predecessors, as far as i can gather, follow a different norm than other computers/devices coming out of cupertino.
Has Apple EVER aggressively marketed GPU upgrades for older machines? Nope, never.
Yet you are convinced that BECAUSE YOU WANT THEM TOO, they are about to change course and do something they have never done before.
why do i want them to?
i've never upgraded a gpu in my life for sake of upgrading a gpu.
i've put new ones in my mac pro but that's because the other one blew up.. one breaks, i go to the shop, "i need a gpu for 2006 macpro".. once i got a 8800 and then a 5770.
if i had a 6.1 and blew a gpu in a few years.. walked in the shop "i need a new gpu for 6.1".. and the sold me a d700 instead of 7.1 gpu, i'd be okay with that.. at least the computer would work again, you know?
Well, bad news, there is no tooth fairy, no Santa Claus, and Apple doesn't want old machines getting upgraded to be as good or better then new ones. All facts that adults accept. (eventually)
if they cared as much about it as you'd like to believe.. the nmp would not be put together the way it is.. they could of certainly made it hard/impossible to do swaps.. at the
very least they would of used custom screw heads as opposed to the most user friendly standard screws available.
As to "no current nMP owner wants GPU upgrades, they are all happy as clams with what they have" I call BS.
no? as in zero? i call BS too.
I own one and the D300s are awful.
bought the wrong ones.. not my fault.
but i'm about 98% positive those d300 are perfectly acceptable for what you're doing with them.
Put your money where your keyboard is, start a poll. How many wish they could put Tonga/Hawaii/Fiji or Kepler/Maxwell/Pascal cards in there RIGHT NOW.
i don't even know what Tonga/Hawaii/Fiji/Kepler/Maxwell/Pascal means.. i skip over those posts.. i don't care.
it's not important. [edit]or- it's not something i find interesting i guess i should say[/edit]
Keep in mind that doing so would allow not only better GPU speeds, but faster CPU speeds as well (less heat from GPUs = less CPU throttling). Then there would also be the possible addition of HDMI 2.0. Or do you also think that nobody wants that? This may come as a shock to you, but some people play games on their Macs or want to use them with a large 4K display.
Those clunky old cards in nMP don't offer any way to connect with 99% of 4K TV screens in world. Why? Because only Panasonic has offered 4K TVs with DP, and only on their high end models. All the rest have HDMI 2.0 inputs, which a Mac Pro can only drive at stuttering and clunky 30Hz.
cool
But you insist that every 6,1 owner on the planet is happy and smiling with their 3 7/8 years old GPUs and wouldn't LEAP on a pair of GTX980s. And on that I call "BS".
i don't say that.. i don't even think about it.. there are no gtx980s going inside a mac pro.. like, it's not going to happen.. your absolute best bet for seeing something other than d300/500/700 inside a mp6.1 will be future mac pro gpus. you're claiming that is not happening so why even worry yourself with gtx980s which have far (FAR) less of a chance going in?
