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24" iMacs are simply too small for video editing and/or graphic design. Wake up Apple!!!
Lol! I've produced stuff professionally on a 15" CRT iMac. Personally, I don't actually like huge screens as I feel I need to move my head around a lot at my working distance, with anything beyond 24". I tried a 28" and went back to 24". People have differing requirements and ways of working. Before buying my M1 iMac, I went and looked at those and older 27" iMacs in shops, and decided I really didn't need the extra screen size. I work more 'locally', perhaps. I've tried a dual monitor set up and found I really didn't like it. So to each their own. Making such sweeping statements about '24" iMacs are simply too small for video editing and/or graphic design' is daft. I think the mistake many people on here/The Internet make is that they only think about what they themselves want, rather than the bigger picture. Fortunately Apple do the latter.
 
The guy to whom you were responding was arguing against an iMac Pro. And I think what's generally meant by an iMac Pro is something that (like the old iMac Pro) has workstation-class processing power, i.e., its processor options would be Max and Ultra. Thus, by saying there's not a need for that power in an AIO, you're essentially agreeing with him.

I.e., you don't want an AS replacement for the prosumer iMac Pro either. What you want is an AS replacement for the large consumer iMac, which would have an M# Pro as its key processor option.
Good points, all agreed.
 
an Mx Pro? Its not available in any desktops because it doesnt exist....Theres no such thing. Of course there are Max and Ultra versions... and the Ultra version in the Mac Studio is insanely fast (and pricey!) and way more than 99% of any computer user currently needs. You want more than that? embedded in a millimetres thin display - the thermals seem unrealistic.... You aren't going to get what you seem to want - sorry.
You sorely misunderstand. Mx pro is how users generically refer to Pro models of the M series. M1 Pro, M2 Pro, M3 Pro… these are all “Mx Pro” chips. Any desktop that has a pro chip will probably jump to at least M2 Pro (if not M3 Pro) because Apple has dragged their heels so much on mid-range desktops, hence the use of the umbrella term. We are over 2 years into the transition, past the deadline and Apple still has not released even a single mid-range desktop. “Only” (yes only) the low end and extremely high end. That’s why I say only, because of lack of the most popular options (the M___ Pro series) and only the extremely high and extremely low end. It’s goldilock’s (and users) nightmare.

When it comes to M series chips with more than 4 performance cores, the vast majority of purchasers choose the Pro version. NOT the Max and NOT the Ultra. Yet Apple doesn’t even offer their most popular pro chip in any desktop. It’s madness.
 
It’s your business, of course you are right. A few considerations though.

1) a Mac studio + studio display is cheaper than an iMac Pro (refurbished)
2) when the Mac Studio reaches its end of life you wouldn’t need a new display, good business.
3) a Mac Mini is even cheaper and works well with photoshop at a certain level.
4) were there to be strong demand for a 27” iMac then Apple would have made one, instead they made a 24” home computer.
1. There are no iMac Pros on Apple Refurb UK. Going rate for a new, well-specced 27-inch iMac in UK was £2000-£2300. Studio + Display is £3500 for base configuration.
2. I'd rather save £1500 and have an AIO. By the time the Studio has outlived its usefulness there will undoubtedly be a better, brighter, maybe bigger Studio Display, so the temptation will be to buy both again. But point taken: why can't we have Target Display to keep using our existing iMacs? ‘Technical reasons’?
3a. ‘At a certain level’. Exactly.
3b. If you spec a Mini up to decent standard you're up to £1300 – at which price the Studio starts to look a bargain. There's no goldilocks option (though I agree the next gen Minis may change this equation).
4. Apple have a dizzyingly confusing array of iPads, but seem unable to create an home computer solution that is bigger than the (underpowered) 24-inch iMac (£1600 mid config) and the overpowered, expensive Studio + display (£3500, base config).
 
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1. There are no iMac Pros on Apple Refurb UK. Ebay has 2020 models for around £2000. Going rate for a new, well-specced non-pro 27-inch iMac in UK was £2000-£2300. Studio + Display is £3500 for base configuration.
2. I'd rather save £1500 and have an AIO. By the time the Studio has outlived its usefulness there will undoubtedly be a better, brighter, maybe bigger Studio Display, so the temptation will be to buy both again. But point taken: why can't we have Target Display to keep using our existing iMacs? ‘Technical reasons’?
3a. ‘At a certain level’. Exactly.
3b. If you spec a Mini up to decent standard you're up to £1300 – at which price the Studio starts to look a bargain. There's no goldilocks option (though I agree the next gen Minis may change this equation).
4. Apple have a dizzyingly confusing array of iPads, but seem unable to create an home computer solution that is bigger than the (underpowered) 24-inch iMac (£1600 mid config) and the overpowered, expensive Studio + display (£3500, base config).

Apologies for repeating this post, which has been edited to include current UK iMac Pro eBay prices.
 
Lol! I've produced stuff professionally on a 15" CRT iMac. Personally, I don't actually like huge screens as I feel I need to move my head around a lot at my working distance, with anything beyond 24". I tried a 28" and went back to 24". People have differing requirements and ways of working. Before buying my M1 iMac, I went and looked at those and older 27" iMacs in shops, and decided I really didn't need the extra screen size. I work more 'locally', perhaps. I've tried a dual monitor set up and found I really didn't like it. So to each their own. Making such sweeping statements about '24" iMacs are simply too small for video editing and/or graphic design' is daft. I think the mistake many people on here/The Internet make is that they only think about what they themselves want, rather than the bigger picture. Fortunately Apple do the latter.
Actually, I'm a teacher and I speak for the 100+ students I have every year. So it's not myself. But you go keep editing "professionally" on your 15" CRT. 1992 called, Adobe wants wants you to return the composite cables you're using on Premiere 1.0. Oh, Quark needs their dongle back too!
 
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Actually, I'm a teacher and I speak for the 100+ students I have every year. So it's not myself. But you go keep editing "professionally" on your 15" CRT. 1992 called, Adobe wants wants you to return the composite cables you're using on Premiere 1.0. Oh, Quark needs their dongle back too!
Oh my god. That glorious 320x240 MPEG resolution. I actually forced it to do 640x240, and kept the data on Jaz drives, that I carried back and forth to school on my bike. All digitized directly from Hi8 and Umatic SP.
 
What I can't believe is that Apple spent all the money on the Mac Pro in 2013 for one generation of product that didn't sell well. And then again with the iMac Pro in 2017. And then again in 2019 they repeated history with the last Intel Mac Pro. They have no idea what their Pro users need apparently. They're squandering any advantage they had with professional creatives.
 
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Apple’s product categories are starting to get convoluted just like it did when they kicked Steve Jobs out of Apple. You think they would have learned their lesson but they are heading in the same direction they did before they brought Steve Jobs back on board.
 
Correction: M1 Pro chips vastly outsell M1 Max chips. The vast majority of actual, real world users choose M1 Pro over M1 Max. M1 Max is a niche product.

I'd say it's a niche product in a laptop. IF they were to put it in a desktop all in one though (which is what I'd consider a non-pro spec iMac 27" to warrant) it would sell much better.
 
I'd say it's a niche product in a laptop. IF they were to put it in a desktop all in one though (which is what I'd consider a non-pro spec iMac 27" to warrant) it would sell much better.
Desktops are the niche product as Apple’s laptops are the most popular Mac line but bringing an M2 Pro to the desktop range would likely be popular.
 
1. There are no iMac Pros on Apple Refurb UK. Going rate for a new, well-specced 27-inch iMac in UK was £2000-£2300. Studio + Display is £3500 for base configuration.
2. I'd rather save £1500 and have an AIO. By the time the Studio has outlived its usefulness there will undoubtedly be a better, brighter, maybe bigger Studio Display, so the temptation will be to buy both again. But point taken: why can't we have Target Display to keep using our existing iMacs? ‘Technical reasons’?
3a. ‘At a certain level’. Exactly.
3b. If you spec a Mini up to decent standard you're up to £1300 – at which price the Studio starts to look a bargain. There's no goldilocks option (though I agree the next gen Minis may change this equation).
4. Apple have a dizzyingly confusing array of iPads, but seem unable to create an home computer solution that is bigger than the (underpowered) 24-inch iMac (£1600 mid config) and the overpowered, expensive Studio + display (£3500, base config).
A refurbished iMac Pro is $5,400. Using Apple’s exchange rates this converts to approximately £5,400 😳😂😆

Apple makes products that make super profits. They excel at marketing, to do this they must know what their customers want/need.

I’m reasonably sure that they haven’t made a 27” iMac because they know that there isn’t enough demand for them to make super profits. As much as you want one and see the benefit I suspect you’ll be waiting a long time.

I was desperate for one in 2020 when they released the iMac 24”. In the end I went for a LG ultra fine and Mac mini m1. I’ve never regretted it.
 
Actually, I'm a teacher and I speak for the 100+ students I have every year. So it's not myself. But you go keep editing "professionally" on your 15" CRT. 1992 called, Adobe wants wants you to return the composite cables you're using on Premiere 1.0. Oh, Quark needs their dongle back too!
You're still only talking about your own experience though, not the entire market. Sure; many people prefer a larger screen, but that doesn't mean they necessarily need one. And many people use much smaller screens to produce professional work, hence my point about the 15" iMac which you clearly misunderstood. I've seen pro graphic designers and video people using 13" laptops. Which is why '24" iMacs are simply too small for video editing and/or graphic design' is such a daft statement.

I was desperate for one in 2020 when they released the iMac 24”. In the end I went for a LG ultra fine and Mac mini m1. I’ve never regretted it.
That is totally fine. It's great there was that option. There's always been such options, so I don't really understand why people get in such a froth about there not (currently) being a 27" iMac.
 
You're still only talking about your own experience though, not the entire market. Sure; many people prefer a larger screen, but that doesn't mean they necessarily need one. And many people use much smaller screens to produce professional work, hence my point about the 15" iMac which you clearly misunderstood. I've seen pro graphic designers and video people using 13" laptops. Which is why '24" iMacs are simply too small for video editing and/or graphic design' is such a daft statement.


That is totally fine. It's great there was that option. There's always been such options, so I don't really understand why people get in such a froth about there not (currently) being a 27" iMac.
I agree with you.

Its actually surprised me the amount of vitriol there seems to be from some quarters in here about the lack of a 27.

Personally, and as non controversially as I can put it... I dont think that there will be a "home" focused 27(+) iMac.
Apple have already catered for the market with the studio display and a choice of separates that will suit all requirements.
Should a larger iMac be produced it will certainly be aimed at the 'pro' segment with a price tag to match. Many "home" users simply will be priced out of the larger screen model AND I suspect the processor options will be way in excess of what that "home" user will ever need anyway.

From my perspective, I spent many years 'insisting' on the largest iMac... the 27, and had several of those machines.
I initially rejected the idea of the 'new' 24" iMac as I didnt feel I wanted to go smaller than what I was used to... but eventually when my 27 was showing its age, and about 6 months into the new 24" lifecycle.. I realised that this larger iMac was simply not coming any time soon... so following the glowing reviews of the 24" iMac I went into the apple store and saw one in person and realised that very small loss of screen real estate for me would be inconsequential.
I bought the iMac and havent looked back. Honestly I stopped noticing the smaller screen after about 5 minutes and thats that.

I very much understand that some users with demanding processing requirements i.e. the 'pro' segment might prefer to have an all-in-one and would want a larger display. Im sure that may well come and the old iMac Pro will indeed get an M2 version (if they can get the thermals to work in that thin enclosure without too many performance compromises).

It seems to me that the iMac, for at least the last 2 years nearly, is a 'one size fits all' solution as far as Apple is concerned.. and that 24" display size certainly is a very reasonable compromise to merge both the old 21" customers and the 27" customers into a single display size.
 
so following the glowing reviews of the 24" iMac I went into the apple store and saw one in person and realised that very small loss of screen real estate for me would be inconsequential
That's what I did. I have limited space where I am allowed to have my iMac, so the 24" also helps in that regard. I get it if you have a large desk and/or need other people to look at your screen and stuff, but the 24" is exactly the same if you have it a bit closer. I like to concentrate on small areas of whatever image I'm working on, so having a huge screen is pointless for me. Sometimes, less is more. Loads of amazing graphic design, digital art etc were produced using much smaller screens, so screen size is no barrier to creativity.

I very much understand that some users with demanding processing requirements i.e. the 'pro' segment might prefer to have an all-in-one and would want a larger display. Im sure that may well come and the old iMac Pro will indeed get an M2 version (if they can get the thermals to work in that thin enclosure without too many performance compromises).

It seems to me that the iMac, for at least the last 2 years nearly, is a 'one size fits all' solution as far as Apple is concerned.. and that 24" display size certainly is a very reasonable compromise to merge both the old 21" customers and the 27" customers into a single display size.
Yes. I would be surprised if Apple don't release a larger iMac, but perhaps the Studio display thing is their answer. A Mac Mini plus SD would cost around the same as a decent iMac 27", no?

I think some people just want the moon on a stick, and get upset when it doesn't materialise.
 
Desktops are the niche product as Apple’s laptops are the most popular Mac line but bringing an M2 Pro to the desktop range would likely be popular.
Well, part of that appears to be that Apple are averse to building a desktop most people want, sticking an M2-Max in a 27" iMac would i reckon go a long way to address that.
 
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I believe the reasoning behind the Mac Studio and Studio display was precisely to give creative professionals the flexibility to using their own choice of display, rather than being locked into whatever screen a hypothetical iMac Pro refresh would ship with. As such, I am not convinced there will be one, but Apple did ship the iMac when the Mac mini already existed, so...¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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