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MP 1,1-5,1 Will this processor upgrade work in a 1,1?

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Dual Xeon X5365 Quad core @3.00GHz if I’m correct...


Would that be a significant upgrade from the base Dual 2GHz? I assume it would. I’m trying to upgrade this thing to the max.

Also, I am aware the firmware would have to be flashed to the 2,1 for those to work, but I wanted one of the Mac Pro experts to confirm.

Still awaiting my GPU and RAM in the mail.

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It looks like it’s socket LGA 771, so in theory it should be right. Just not sure what that “SLAC3” means. The eBay CPUs say “SLAED.”
 
ScreenSavers said:
It looks like it’s socket LGA 771, so in theory it should be right. Just not sure what that “SLAC3” means. The eBay CPUs say “SLAED.”
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Mac Pro CPU Compatibility List table for MP1,1 and 2,1 has all the S-Spec that Intel microcodes inside Mac Pro firmware supports. Check the table.

Btw, X5365 requires MP2,1 firmware and won't work with MP1,1 firmware.
 
Got my 2,1 firmware going, as well as a RAM upgrade. My 5770 is sitting here but I'm waiting on a PCIE power cable... BTW iMessage and Apple iCloud services are working just fine!
 
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Glad you got it working, but it’s not good to post your system serial number or UUID. I recommend replacing the images in your post and blurring those bits out.
 
Good idea. I’ll go ahead and do that. Usually I do, I just figured for this 2006 machine what would somebody want the serial number for?
 
Your Mac Pro 1,1 > 2,1 can accept up to 64 GB ( 8 x 8 GB ) of DDR2 667 MHz memory now that your firmware has been updated . If you like , I'll post a list of verified compatible model numbers . The ram is cheap on eBay these days .
 
Snow Tiger said:
Your Mac Pro 1,1 > 2,1 can accept up to 64 GB ( 8 x 8 GB ) of DDR2 667 MHz memory now that your firmware has been updated . If you like , I'll post a list of verified compatible model numbers . The ram is cheap on eBay these days .
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I recently learned that. Absolutely insane for a machine made in 2006 and shipped with 512MB!
 
I remember when photographers thought 32 GB of memory was the cat's meow and bought a new Mac to get that much memory . With 64 GB you should have a very capable ( but old fashioned and limited ) audio , still image and video editing machine . You should be happy with an EFI 5770 graphics card , but you can go as high as an EFI 5870 if memory serves . Your OS is as far as you can take it .
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Wait until you find out your MP1,1 > 2,1 will accept a 16TB mechanical drive . The only trick will be a way of installing it in one of your HDD Bays ( the mounting screws will not match up ) . But your System will recognize a drive that large .
 
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Snow Tiger said:
I remember when photographers thought 32 GB of memory was the cat's meow and bought a new Mac to get that much memory . With 64 GB you should have a very capable ( but old fashioned and limited ) audio , still image and video editing machine . You should be happy with an EFI 5770 graphics card , but you can go as high as an EFI 5870 if memory serves . Your OS is as far as you can take it .
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Wait until you find out your MP1,1 > 2,1 will accept a 16TB mechanical drive . The only trick will be a way of installing it in one of your HDD Bays ( the mounting screws will not match up ) . But your System will recognize a drive that large .
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Not surprised. I already have 3 1TB drives (two of them in a RAID 0 and one as Time Machine) and an SSD for El Capitan. And once El Capitan becomes unusably outdated, to Windows 10 we go. This thing has plenty of life left in it. My PCIE power cable should come tomorrow so I can actually have a little bit of graphics acceleration.

Can I put a generic USB 3.0 PCIE card in this?
 
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Why is it not a good idea? I can't think of any reason why it is important to conceal it.
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Serial number spoofing is a thing. It is possible to program a known serial number into a different system as a step toward impersonating the original owner. Your system serial number plays a role in numerous security checks and system registration processes, including iMessage and FaceTime.

I am aware of known exploits on mobile devices in this vein.

It’s not exactly a trivial thing for most people to accomplish, but it’s possible. Don’t take chances.
 
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Serial number spoofing is a thing. It is possible to program a known serial number into a different system as a step toward impersonating the original owner. Your system serial number plays a role in numerous security checks and system registration processes, including iMessage and FaceTime.

I am aware of known exploits on mobile devices in this vein.

It’s not exactly a trivial thing for most people to accomplish, but it’s possible. Don’t take chances.
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Thanks for that explanation. The only thing I could remotely imagine would be for someone to try and use the SN to get warranty service from Apple or maybe alter the SN in a stolen unit.
 
ScreenSavers said:
Can I put a generic USB 3.0 PCIE card in this?
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You should be able to! Check out this thread. Be mindful of the minimum OS needed for drivers.

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USB 3.x PCIe Cards for Classic Mac Pro

Thread summary for latest recommendations. This thread refers to PCIe cards for adding USB 3.0 and 3.1 to classic Mac Pros. General Notes: The USB 3.0 cards in this list support UASP for faster transfer speeds and reduced CPU utilization (exceptions to this are noted). The USB 3.0 cards in...
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And while modern, large hard drives have a different layout for the mounting holes, you can buy new drive trays to accommodate them for about $20. I believe the hole layout changed around the 6TB era, so if you wish to install a drive of that size or larger, but a new tray. (You can try to jury rig something with tape on an existing tray, but I’ve tried this and it’s not worth the imminent danger of destroying your entire logic board when a falling drive torques the SATA connector just to save $20.)
 
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Not surprised. I already have 3 1TB drives (two of them in a RAID 0 and one as Time Machine) and an SSD for El Capitan. And once El Capitan becomes unusably outdated, to Windows 10 we go. This thing has plenty of life left in it. My PCIE power cable should come tomorrow so I can actually have a little bit of graphics acceleration.

Can I put a generic USB 3.0 PCIE card in this?
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The last time I did this with a Mac Pro 1,1 > 2,1 was with an OS X 10.10.5 Yosemite running System .
Amazingly , the Asus USB 3.1 Two Port PCIe Card works in your model . It's bandwidth will be limited by your Mac's PCIe Rev 1.x slot but you should get 322 - 385 MB/s throughput . I'm not certain if the drivers are in El Captain ( probably not ) . You might need an OS downgrade to get this card to work .

It looks like this :
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If you really need a cheap El Capitan compatible USB 3.0 Card then Orico has one , but their quality control was awful the last few times I bought some .

In case you are interested , a known good System has the following installed :

Mac Pro 1,1 (2006 factory) > 2,1 (2007 firmware upgraded ) .
8 @ 2.66 GHz (2 x X5355) .
64GB (8 x 8GB) 667 MHz DDR2 FB-DIMM .
ATI 4870 Mac Edition graphics . ( Slot 1 , 8 lanes electrical ) .
120GB SSD Sammy 750 EVO .
SATA DVD-RW DL (both Bays IDE > SATA upgraded for future Blu-Ray burner support) .
Bluetooth (factory) internal .
WiFi (802.11 N ) internal . Sierra ready .
USB 3.1 Gen 2 card (Slot 2 , 8 lanes electrical ) . 2 lanes used by the card at 2.5 GT/s each so 500 MB/s were available if Apple's drivers were up to the task (they weren't) . This is the Asus brand USB card with two USB Type A ports .
OS X 10.10.5 Yosemite .
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Soba said:
You should be able to! Check out this thread. Be mindful of the minimum OS needed for drivers.

forums.macrumors.com

USB 3.x PCIe Cards for Classic Mac Pro

Thread summary for latest recommendations. This thread refers to PCIe cards for adding USB 3.0 and 3.1 to classic Mac Pros. General Notes: The USB 3.0 cards in this list support UASP for faster transfer speeds and reduced CPU utilization (exceptions to this are noted). The USB 3.0 cards in...
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And while modern, large hard drives have a different layout for the mounting holes, you can buy new drive trays to accommodate them for about $20. I believe the hole layout changed around the 6TB era, so if you wish to install a drive of that size or larger, but a new tray. (You can try to jury rig something with tape on an existing tray, but I’ve tried this and it’s not worth the imminent danger of destroying your entire logic board when a falling drive torques the SATA connector just to save $20.)
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Unfortunately , those OWC hard drive sleds for high capacity drives ( 6TB + ) are for 2009-12 Mac Pros only . They won't fit in Mac Pro 1,1 - 3,1 Mac Pros . Hence , the need to mod the mounting screw position issue somehow . Be careful , you don't want to lose a power or data connection with an internal drive when your Mac is powered on or you'll lose data and maybe fry the drive .
 
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Good stuff. I’ve got to get a Bluetooth 4.0 adapter of some kind. The stock Bluetooth card I put in doesn’t allow pairing with a magic trackpad 2.

I’ll find a 10.11 compatible card soon. Don’t really need it yet. I’m not a Yosemite fan to say the least
 
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Here are your memory upgrade model numbers , so you can take her as high as you can .

You must have a Mac Pro 2,1 or 3,1 for these to work . You have eight memory slots , four each on two risers .

8GB = Samsung M395T1K66AZ4-CE66 .

8GB = Micron MT36HTF1G72FZ-667C1D4 .
 
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el capitan has the worst and most buggy USB drivers that apple never fixed
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To my knowledge , there's not a single USB 3.1 Gen 2 ( 10 Gb/s ) controller chip supported by Apple's drivers in El Capitan . It's a shame we are so dependent on Apple for "ac" wireless and USB drivers in these cMPs .
 
Even though the website states differently this USB 3.0 card works out of the box with my cMP 2,1 (OS X 10.11)

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4-Port USB 3.0 PCIe Express Card for Mac Pro KT4004

Expansion of 4 ports USB 3. 0 connections; No additional power supply for normal recognition and operation needed anymore, fast and easy installation, keeps your Mac Pro case tidy Compatible with Windows XP/ Vista/ 7/ 8/ 10. Windows 10 and Mac 10.8.2 and more latest systems are built with a...
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You need proper USB cables for it and sometimes power-hungry drives can cause problems.
 
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