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blairh

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I renewed my AT&T contract with a new 4S last night. I am in no hurry to get whatever new iPhone Apple has in the works and I am in no hurry to leave iPhone any time soon.

Curious why you didn't get the 5. Do you not work/live in an LTE area?
 

NewAnger

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Apr 24, 2012
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Curious why you didn't get the 5. Do you not work/live in an LTE area?

Not really interested in a bigger screen and I like to use my 4S without a case most of the time.

My boss had a 5 and he mentioned that AT&T turned on LTE here in Denver a few weeks ago but he still had trouble getting it most of the time.
He sold his 5 and got a Note a few days ago.

I'm more than happy with a 4S. The only reason I switched from my Verizon 4S to a 4S on AT&T was that I could not get Verizon service at home. I had no 3G and dropped calls more than half the time. AT&T has always been excellent since the original iPhone.

I'm also realizing that it's not necessary to upgrade to a new iPhone every year. I did that with every iPhone model through the 4S. The 5 made me realize I was wasting money every year and the 5 wasn't worth a $200 price when I could get a 4S for $99.

I remember reading something about how many non iPhones 5s the providers are activating. It's because of the lower prices. A lot people would rather get a free 4 or $99 4S over $200 for a 5.
 
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blairh

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Not really interested in a bigger screen and I like to use my 4S without a case most of the time.

My boss had a 5 and he mentioned that AT&T turned on LTE here in Denver a few weeks ago but he still had trouble getting it most of the time.
He sold his 5 and got a Note a few days ago.

I'm more than happy with a 4S. The only reason I switched from my Verizon 4S to a 4S on AT&T was that I could not get Verizon service at home. I had no 3G and dropped calls more than half the time. AT&T has always been excellent since the original iPhone.

I'm also realizing that it's not necessary to upgrade to a new iPhone every year. I did that with every iPhone model through the 4S. The 5 made me realize I was wasting money every year and the 5 wasn't worth a $200 price when I could get a 4S for $99.

I remember reading something about how many non iPhones 5s the providers are activating. It's because of the lower prices. A lot people would rather get a free 4 or $99 4S over $200 for a 5.

I think all those reasons are valid but I do have some counters.

One, I suspect you will get good LTE service in due time. Those speeds are worth upgrading alone IMO. Also, if you use wi-fi at home or at work then you'll really notice how much faster the dual band wi-fi is. Third, the screen on the 5 is much better than the 4/4S. Whites are whiter and colors are stronger overall.

Saving $100 up front isn't worth it IMO. Now, I'm not saying you made a mistake. If you are happy that's cool. But when people live/work in LTE areas and are still paying high monthly prices at AT&T and VZ for 3G or 4G data, I question that logic.
 

0000757

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Dec 16, 2011
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We'll see when my upgrade comes around, which is this fall.

If the iPhone 5S/6/Plus/Whatever impresses me I'll pick one up.

If I'm not impressed, it's off to the Blackberry!
 

jrodsep

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It's really amazing how stable android has become. Can't remember the last time had to do a reboot.

I had a Galaxy Nexus for almost a year and it never froze or needed to have the battery pulled. Android has gotten their stuff together and are delivering a very good user experience. But what it's still maddening to me is that google doesn't make manufacturers install stock Android on their devices. 99% of the time it is lighter and runs better than skins (I'm looking at you HTC). If somebody wants to change the way it looks there's always custom ROMS for every device.
 

NewAnger

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Apr 24, 2012
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Denver Colorado
I think all those reasons are valid but I do have some counters.

One, I suspect you will get good LTE service in due time. Those speeds are worth upgrading alone IMO. Also, if you use wi-fi at home or at work then you'll really notice how much faster the dual band wi-fi is. Third, the screen on the 5 is much better than the 4/4S. Whites are whiter and colors are stronger overall.

Saving $100 up front isn't worth it IMO. Now, I'm not saying you made a mistake. If you are happy that's cool. But when people live/work in LTE areas and are still paying high monthly prices at AT&T and VZ for 3G or 4G data, I question that logic.

Do all of these things really matter to the average user? I don't think so. I have a phone that makes calls, can provide internet while I am at work and can play music and syncs contacts with my computer without me doing a thing. These are the things I care about.
 

blairh

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Do all of these things really matter to the average user? I don't think so. I have a phone that makes calls, can provide internet while I am at work and can play music and syncs contacts with my computer without me doing a thing. These are the things I care about.

I think the things I listed should matter to most consumers. Yes. I think what ends up happening is they get swayed by the initial asking price of the phone. That alone is their biggest purchasing consideration.

If it works for you, that's cool. At the same time I still think faster wi-fi, a better screen, faster cellular data, a lighter device, all for the same monthly price, is completely relevant and worth pointing out.
 

nfl46

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Oct 5, 2008
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Nope. I won't. I'm no longer on contract and will be getting unlocked Nexus devices from now on. I refuse to pay over $600 for an unlock iPhone. So, I'm keeping my iPhone 5 for a few years, and upgrade Nexus devices to have the latest hardware. $350 is my limit on phones. I'm going to miss that sub price for cellphones.
 

The iGentleman

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Jul 13, 2012
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I had a Galaxy Nexus for almost a year and it never froze or needed to have the battery pulled. Android has gotten their stuff together and are delivering a very good user experience. But what it's still maddening to me is that google doesn't make manufacturers install stock Android on their devices. 99% of the time it is lighter and runs better than skins (I'm looking at you HTC). If somebody wants to change the way it looks there's always custom ROMS for every device.

If every manufacturer sold phones with stock Android, they would have very few ways to differentiate themselves from the competition. If the Galaxy Note 2 were a stock Android device, it wouldn't have nearly the same features it currently has. What you have to understand is, the manufacturer overlays do more than just change the look of Android.
 

ManicMarc

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Jul 1, 2012
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Multitasking is nothing new, my Windows Mobile 5 phone did multitasking much in same way as Android does now (as does Symbian and Blackberry 4-6). Apple on the other hand realised that having every application doing their 'really important' task like checking for tweets does not scale on a device that has limited battery resources. Hence why they only allow 10 minutes after the app goes into the background, but with Push Notifications the phone only maintains one connection to Apple's server rather than tens of connections for each app. I ended up turning background updating off on my Android because of this (though my Android phone, like my laptop did offer to shut it down various services once my battery went below 20%). So this is a deliberate choice from Apple, and I'm glad of it!

Windows Phone 8 now does multitasking the iOS way as well.
 

cynics

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Jan 8, 2012
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I plan on keeping my 4S for awhile. But my next phone will probably be an iPhone.
 

viewfly

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May 1, 2009
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I'm starting to think this will be my last iPhone unless there are dramatic changes to iPhone 6.

The UI has become extremely stale and I still can't do simple ****ing things like read and reply to a text message without exiting the app. Speaking of apps, iPhone multitasking is still half assed and not real multitasking.. let's not get into the Maps fiasco..

Hardware wise, it's nice to look at and feel, but we still don't have a bigger screen, the battery, especially on the 5, is garbage. No NFC, no innovation...

In about 2-3 months all the competitors will be ahead of iPhone and we'll still be waiting for the once a year minimal upgrade.

Sorry I disagree with you on all points. Except the maps issue but that has improved a lot recently, at least for USA. And you have google turn by turn now too.

I'll stay with iPhone. No major shortfalls. The UI works fine. Battery is fantastic. Some of what you complain about are trivial and I'm not about to throw out a great smartphone only to inherent other problems with android or windows.
 

ManicMarc

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Jul 1, 2012
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IOS's new privacy controls are brilliant. Unlike Android where you get a list of permissions you need to to accept when installing (and everyone always does) iOS allows you to grant individual permissions as you see fit, and revoke them at a later date. So I can allow an app to know my location, but not read all of my contacts .
 

0dev

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IOS's new privacy controls are brilliant. Unlike Android where you get a list of permissions you need to to accept when installing (and everyone always does) iOS allows you to grant individual permissions as you see fit, and revoke them at a later date. So I can allow an app to know my location, but not read all of my contacts .

Not really. It asks for your permission to access contacts, location, and photos, but people just hit yes to those as well, and Android's list of permissions is far more detailed than that anyway. For example, a lot of apps grab your phone's serial number and sometimes even your phone number for advertising purposes. Android will tell you if an app wants to do this because it'll say the app wants access to the phone permission. iOS gives you no warning about that at all.
 

matttye

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Mar 25, 2009
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Not really. It asks for your permission to access contacts, location, and photos, but people just hit yes to those as well, and Android's list of permissions is far more detailed than that anyway. For example, a lot of apps grab your phone's serial number and sometimes even your phone number for advertising purposes. Android will tell you if an app wants to do this because it'll say the app wants access to the phone permission. iOS gives you no warning about that at all.

Just a few things:

1. There are sometimes like 15 or more permissions that an app requests. Even the most security conscious is unlikely to read all of them for every app they install on Android.

2. It's easier to ignore a list of permissions when installing an app, than it is to ignore a prompt that pops up in your face saying "hey, this app wants access to your photos right now."

3. With iOS you can allow some permissions and decline others. For example, if a wallpaper app asked to use my photos and my contacts, I would only allow it access to my photos. You can change your mind at any time too and revoke permissions by using the privacy settings.
 

maflynn

macrumors Haswell
May 3, 2009
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I've been on android before and it didn't suck :) Its a good OS, but to be honest, I'm pretty well immeshed in the apple ecosystem to the point it makes more sense or me to stick with the iPhone. Apps, music, syncing with iTunes. My kids apps and security issues with my companies email servers, i.e., not all android devices are permitted.

Some of the newer android phones like the Note 2 are very tempting but since I'm only a year in on my VZW contract I'll have to wait to see what's available in 2014
 

0dev

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Just a few things:

1. There are sometimes like 15 or more permissions that an app requests. Even the most security conscious is unlikely to read all of them for every app they install on Android.

I always read every single permission and I know I'm not the only one.

2. It's easier to ignore a list of permissions when installing an app, than it is to ignore a prompt that pops up in your face saying "hey, this app wants access to your photos right now."

True, but in reality people who don't care will just keep hitting yes to everything until the app works.

3. With iOS you can allow some permissions and decline others. For example, if a wallpaper app asked to use my photos and my contacts, I would only allow it access to my photos. You can change your mind at any time too and revoke permissions by using the privacy settings.

You can do that on Android too.
 

matttye

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Mar 25, 2009
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I always read every single permission and I know I'm not the only one.

Good for you! (seriously, not being sarcastic)

I'm far too lazy to do that. It would take hours to read every permission for every app I install.

True, but in reality people who don't care will just keep hitting yes to everything until the app works.

I guess, but surely anything that makes it more likely that people will read it has to be a good thing.

You can do that on Android too.

No you can't; at least, not without root. You can review the permissions and make a choice as to whether to install an app or not, and you can uninstall later if you become uncomfortable with the app, but you can't accept and decline individual permissions.
 

ManicMarc

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My point is, with Android it's all or nothing - if Angry Cows or whatever is sending your address book to their servers, you'd never know, on iOS you'll get an alert the first time, which might raise an eyebrow if its totally out of context (e.g, a game). Bottom line: iOS seems to have more protection for users,
 

0dev

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Good for you! (seriously, not being sarcastic)

I'm far too lazy to do that. It would take hours to read every permission for every app I install.

If an app requests so many permissions that it'd take me ages to read through them, then unless it's from a developer I trust anyway, I simply won't install it.

I guess, but surely anything that makes it more likely that people will read it has to be a good thing.

Of course, but personally I think Android's way of handeling permissions is better because it's more concise.

No you can't; at least, not without root. You can review the permissions and make a choice as to whether to install an app or not, and you can uninstall later if you become uncomfortable with the app, but you can't accept and decline individual permissions.

Yeah you can if you install LBE Privacy Guard. All CyanogenMod ROMs from version 9 onwards come with the functionality built in too. I do think Google should build it into AOSP though.

My point is, with Android it's all or nothing - if Angry Cows or whatever is sending your address book to their servers, you'd never know, on iOS you'll get an alert the first time, which might raise an eyebrow if its totally out of context (e.g, a game). Bottom line: iOS seems to have more protection for users,

Not true, see above, and if Angry Cows needs your address book Android will tell you that before the app is even installed.
 

matttye

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Mar 25, 2009
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If an app requests so many permissions that it'd take me ages to read through them, then unless it's from a developer I trust anyway, I simply won't install it.



Of course, but personally I think Android's way of handeling permissions is better because it's more concise.



Yeah you can if you install LBE Privacy Guard. All CyanogenMod ROMs from version 9 onwards come with the functionality built in too. I do think Google should build it into AOSP though.



Not true, see above, and if Angry Cows needs your address book Android will tell you that before the app is even installed.

I can see the benefits of both; it's really just a matter of preference.

I prefer iOS's method to stock Androids because it gives you a choice as to which permissions to grant. Stock Android is all or nothing.

Rooted Androids is better than both.
 

0dev

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Dec 22, 2009
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I can see the benefits of both; it's really just a matter of preference.

I prefer iOS's method to stock Androids because it gives you a choice as to which permissions to grant. Stock Android is all or nothing.

Rooted Androids is better than both.

Agreed.
 
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