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I’m personally glad to see it go. I really only used it for volume and brightness because I had to, but these functions work great with buttons :). I get what they were trying to do with it but it needed developers on board and they only had a few that really put effort in. And even then, I never felt incentivized (not enough benefit) to go through the cognitive dissonance to change how I did things to use it. I never felt it helped with my photographic workflow and as far as my developer-side, I was grumpy without my escape key before they rectified that.
I hadn't done much more than play with it in the store before a bit before buying my M1.

To me, it's something with a lot of potential but also some serious flaws.

The biggest is the complete lack of any tactile feedback, or really of any features on the bar other than it just being a smooth piece of glass(or whatever it is). I've gotten better about it, but it's still not infrequent that I brush the touchbar and the computer does something I don't intend for it to do. A common one is typing a post like this and inadvertently touching the back or refresh button-fortunately Xenforo saves your work, but not all pages do.

Some programs did make some use of it that was handy. When I was teaching daily over Zoom, I would often find it difficult to monitor the chat box. Zoom puts notifications for it in the touchbar so it's a bit of extra screen area.

Rarely, though, do I do much more than adjust my volume or screen brightness. I did finally learn the handy trick of just pressing the volume button and sliding without lifting your finger to go up or down, so volume is handy, but otherwise it has to be expanded to do other(less frequently used) functions.

Fundamentally, though, I've spent who knows how long using a computer without needing to look at the keyboard, and all of a sudden Apple decides to throw something into the mix that requires you to look down from the screen at the keyboard.

Back in the early days of the Macintosh Operating System, there were Human Interface Guidelines that not only did Apple follow but also expected developers to follow. Even if the touchbar had existed in the 1980s, it would have run counter to the fundamental computer interaction experience Macs were meant to provide. Of course Apple kind of forgot some of those with OS X, although a lot of things did creep back in over the years. Then, something like the touchbar comes along that is a step backwards...
 
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The Touch Bar's flaws were all solvable, Apple just... didn't. BetterTouchTool helped a lot, but in the end the 16" MBP (with the notch and fixed fn keys) do everything I wanted better.

I tried having buttons on the Touch Bar for a while, and it just wasn't great without the haptic feedback as has been mentioned. You could set it up to use the trackpad's vibrate motor as haptic feedback which helped, but you could tell it was in the wrong place and it just didn't feel as right. But considering the trackpad doesn't actually click when you click it yet feels like it does, there's no reason they couldn't have done the same with the Touch Bar.

So in the end it was just a status bar, and then I hid the menu bar. Time, date, etc. All the things you'd want in the menu bar. And then two finger swipe for volume and three finger swipe for brightness, neither of which required looking down to use. But now that I've got the menu bar in the "extra" height of the screen that was added in the new laptops, the physical keys work just as well for me.
 
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can we just buy the touch bar instead of the entire MacBook?
ya know, just have the ribbon and select what we wants?
 
can we just buy the touch bar instead of the entire MacBook?
ya know, just have the ribbon and select what we wants?
Looking at these various replies vs Touch Bar, thankful that my upgrade path gap allowed me to escape the experience. "Just buy the Touch Bar" would you really use it of just something stored in a box (next to my Apple mouse) when the novelty wears off. While denied the Touch Bar experience, the discussion made me think of my Wacom tablet. Programable buttons on the left, change defaults to actions
I prefer...then rarely use them.
 
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Looking at these various replies vs Touch Bar, thankful that my upgrade path gap allowed me to escape the experience. "Just buy the Touch Bar" would you really use it of just something stored in a box (next to my Apple mouse) when the novelty wears off. While denied the Touch Bar experience, the discussion made me think of my Wacom tablet. Programable buttons on the left, change defaults to actions
I prefer...then rarely use them.
I am glad I have a mac that has the touch bar in which I don't plan to upgrade for a while. I use the touch bar all the time and prefer it over physical keys. ?
 
All kinds of things. Adjusting volume, brightness, auto fill on web forms, seeing how far along my movie has to go. Auto this and that in pages and Numbers and so on. Very handy tool.
Honestly I only use the Touch Bar because I have too. I never look at it or use it for scrubbing a timeline. I won't not buy a new machine because it doesn't exist. It's just is what it is.
 
Honestly I only use the Touch Bar because I have too. I never look at it or use it for scrubbing a timeline. I won't not buy a new machine because it doesn't exist. It's just is what it is.
I bought my MacBook last year because of the Touch Bar. The air could have satisfied me.
 
I would say that people have spoken and looking around here, few people say "I love the touchbar" and the rest are either in the "I don't care one way or another" or "I actively dislike it" camp.

I tend to either fall into the second or third category depending on what I'm doing. In the best case, it's just there and I do see the potential for it to do interesting things. It's kind of an interesting thing in and of itself.

With that said, I more often fall into the "Actively dislike" camp because of false button presses that mess with my work and having to look at the keyboard to actually use it.

There are interesting features that I also find more or less useless. As an example, if you're scrolling through photos in the Photos app, you do get the thumbnail preview on the touchbar, but it's so tiny it's of zero use to me to have it, and also tiny enough that it lacks the precision to do one photo at a time. I'll take the actual useful sized thumbnails in Lightroom any day, and can navigate them just as quickly but much more precisely with the arrow keys.
 
Why did you start this thread? What difference does it make to you if someone else shops for photography-related or other items on Black Friday? If you had actually purchased something today or were planning to do so and started the thread, that would have made more sense.

Good question!
 
I bought my MacBook last year because of the Touch Bar. The air could have satisfied me.
I bought my laptop because I needed a new one, I would of bought it Touch Bar or not. I didn't have a choice in the matter and could care less if it exists or not.
 
I finally pulled the trigger on this Sigma 24-70mm

I refuse to pay the G Master tax.

Any Sony photographers here?
 
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I finally pulled the trigger on this Sigma 24-70mm

I refuse to pay the G Master tax.

Any Sony photographers here?

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Post updated for some background because @Clix Pix unintentionally likes to one up people :p

I went from Canon P&S Elph Cameras to Sony Style TX cameras (those were so cool) and then decided to take photography more seriously when going from the Sony NEX C3 to an A6300 and then sold all my cropped sensor gear to go full frame with the A7III starting with the Tamron 17-28 and 28-75 F2.8. I also have my RX100V for B-Roll shots which has been fantastic over the years and is a great travel camera if I want to put more effort to a photo than using an iPhone.

I mainly use my camera for YouTube videos and photography for fun as well as help out my wife's real estate business on occasion. The main focal length when I'm doing A-roll video and general photography is almost always at 35mm. The Tamron lens is amazing, versatile and at a great value but I recently treated myself to a 35mm GM prime and I'm in love with it.

If anyone ever wants to go full frame Sony and don't know what lens to get, start with the Tamron 28-75 and add the 17-28 if you need to shoot wider - you'll pretty much be set for life. Those two lens together are cheaper than one of Sony's GM lenses!
 
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There are several of us Sony users here, including myself. I prefer to use Sony native lenses rather than third-party ones, but there is one exception: Voigtlander, which makes lenses for Sony and Leica mounts. I love the way Voigtlander lenses render color and detail -- really remarkable, which is nice when shooting macro or closeups.

ETA: In order to stay on-topic I will add that I did not purchase anything mentioned or displayed in this post on "Black Friday." I tend to purchase whatever it is I want or need at the time, rather than holding off until there is a possible sale on it. I bought absolutely nothing on "Black Friday" of 2021. In the photo below, the camera body and one of the lenses were both purchased at the end of August 2021, not on sale. One of the lenses I bought on the day back in 2020 when I bought the A7R IV, and the other lens was purchased back in the spring of 2021 sometime.

I should do what Soulreaver has done and take a "family portrait" of my Sony gear! :D. I first started using Sony some years ago when a friend introduced me to the NEX 7, and since then I've used some of the RX100 series, plus the RX10 IV. A couple of years ago I took the plunge and switched systems altogether, trading in my Nikon gear and going with the full-frame A7R IV and beginning all over again with lenses. This August, the A1 joined the family.

Below: The A1, with 20mm f/1.8 mounted, the 50mm f/1.2, and the 135mm, posing for a group portrait in preparation for the month-long "Octoberfest" event on another forum. We were to choose up to three primes, shoot and share images daily from only those lenses for the month. It was fun, but unexpectedly challenging! I had deliberately chosen these three lenses to give myself some latitude in ranges and types of images shot, and because they are not lenses that I tend to reach for frequently.

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Post updated for some background because @Clix Pix unintentionally likes to one up people :p

I went from Canon P&S Elph Cameras to Sony Style TX cameras (those were so cool) and then decided to take photography more seriously when going from the Sony NEX C3 to an A6300 and then sold all my cropped sensor gear to go full frame with the A7III starting with the Tamron 17-28 and 28-75 F2.8. I also have my RX100V for B-Roll shots which has been fantastic over the years and is a great travel camera if I want to put more effort to a photo than using an iPhone.

I mainly use my camera for YouTube videos and photography for fun as well as help out my wife's real estate business on occasion. The main focal length when I'm doing A-roll video and general photography is almost always at 35mm. The Tamron lens is amazing, versatile and at a great value but I recently treated myself to a 35mm GM prime and I'm in love with it.

If anyone ever wants to go full frame Sony and don't know what lens to get, start with the Tamron 28-75 and add the 17-28 if you need to shoot wider - you'll pretty much be set for life. Those two lens together are cheaper than one of Sony's GM lenses!
I had a Sony a7iii & tamron 28-75mm. Unfortunately my car got bip'd. It's a huge problem right now in the Bay Area.

I replaced it with the A9ii and the Sigma 24-70mm.

I mainly cover soccer and use the Tamron f2.8 70-180mm.
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It is such a great lens for $1100.

The last lens I want is the Sony f2.8 12-24mm

What's the widest lens tamron makes for full frame?
 
I had a Sony a7iii & tamron 28-75mm. Unfortunately my car got bip'd. It's a huge problem right now in the Bay Area.

I replaced it with the A9ii and the Sigma 24-70mm.

I mainly cover soccer and use the Tamron f2.8 70-180mm.
59199d1d-da4c-4182-a65a-7cf6a65afa6a_rw_1920.jpg

It is such a great lens for $1100.

The last lens I want is the Sony f2.8 12-24mm

What's the widest lens tamron makes for full frame?

I think the 17-28 F2.8 is the widest they make for full frame. If they do 11-24 Full Frame (NOT ASP-C) I would totally go for it.
 
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