iPhone 14 Pro Max will you shoot at 48 or 12 mega pixels?

[F23]

Who cares about raw. Real world. Real people. Is the binned heif 12 MP better than the heif 48 MP or not? Kinda tired of hearing the words raw raw raw raw raw raw raw. Too little time to be editing stuff like some film director. Anyone have an answer? Let’s see some comparison images that haven’t been compressed because of the site please? Literally not a single good comparison has been done with the iPhone 14 yet. So annoying I’m annoyed

the 12 MP binned shot looks identical to the 12 MP heic pics of the iPhone 13 Pro. the 48 MP heic images are much more detailed, given the higher resolution. when fully zoomed out, you can't really tell a difference. but when you zoom in yes you can tell it's noticeably more crisp on the 48 MP image.

 

[F23]

I don’t have it. Obviously if I did I would be doing comparisons. It just amazes me how something like the iPhone 5 to the 5s there would be all these sites doing photo comparisons. But now that the iPhone has gone 12 to 48 and there are crickets all over the internet in relevance to photo comparisons. And instead it’s all this talk about pro raw. But I catch your drift dude sorry just am awake now hung over and Sunday wasted. Hahaha

they're talking about proraw because on the stock camera app that is the only way to get the 48 MP images. if you use a third party app like Halide then you can get 48 MP heic images instead. apple's stock camera app does not let you take 48 MP heic images, only proraw. hence the attention to proraw by the reviewers.

 

[F23]

Are you talking about the Apple default camera or Halide? The default camera doesn’t shoot both, only ProRAW or jpeg. When jpeg is selected, it is always 12mp. In Halide, I only choose ProRAW. When you swipe up at the small line above the grid symbol, the red arrow I added is a button you touch to swap from raw (will be yellow) or jpeg, which will be white. Quickly swap between the two. Just leave it on ProRAW so you can easily swap to HEIF because I’m not sure how the HEIF + jpeg are separated. You see the jpeg file when the photo is taken along with the raw, but seeing them separate is unknown to me.

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yes im talking about halide. yeah i know how to switch between the captures modes. i meant why is the proraw + heic option showing image file sizes that are the same size as the 48 MP heic halide images. for example 9-14 MB. if it's taking proraw + heic images shouldn't the file sizes be larger than the regular heic image?

 

[ToddH]

I don’t have it. Obviously if I did I would be doing comparisons. It just amazes me how something like the iPhone 5 to the 5s there would be all these sites doing photo comparisons. But now that the iPhone has gone 12 to 48 and there are crickets all over the internet in relevance to photo comparisons. And instead it’s all this talk about pro raw. But I catch your drift dude sorry just am awake now hung over and Sunday wasted. Hahaha

Lol, well this forum isn’t a great place to compare shots because the photos that get uploaded here loose so much quality that comparing shots seem useless. Maybe a link from Dropbox or similar will be better.???

 

[ToddH]

yes im talking about halide. yeah i know how to switch between the captures modes. i meant why is the proraw + heic option in heic showing image file sizes that are the same size as the 48 MP heic halide images. for example 9-14 MB. if it's taking proraw + heic images shouldn't the file sizes be larger than the regular heic image?

I can’t answer that one. Sorry but I’m just not sure. Maybe send an email to the developers about it? I’ve spoken with them before. They are good at getting back with you.

 

[Menneisyys2]

I don’t have it. Obviously if I did I would be doing comparisons. It just amazes me how something like the iPhone 5 to the 5s there would be all these sites doing photo comparisons. But now that the iPhone has gone 12 to 48 and there are crickets all over the internet in relevance to photo comparisons. And instead it’s all this talk about pro raw. But I catch your drift dude sorry just am awake now hung over and Sunday wasted. Hahaha

Noone taking photography seriously would want to shoot HEIC with the default camera app because of the strong oversharpening. Go ProRAW; both 12 and 48 ProRAWs offer far better image quality because of the lack of oversharpening.

 

[Bobcat32]

they're talking about proraw because on the stock camera app that is the only way to get the 48 MP images. if you use a third party app like Halide then you can get 48 MP heic images instead. apple's stock camera app does not let you take 48 MP heic images, only proraw. hence the attention to proraw by the reviewers.

Ohhhhh!!!!! Omg dude I was wondering why!!! thank you thank you thank you!!!!!!!! This literally and your other post answered everything!

 

[pw5a29]

48mp heic is actually a nice middleground

 

[F23]

48mp heic is actually a nice middleground

yes it's a great option if you want high resolution images that look similar to the regular apple heic style of processing. however after going on a trip with the iPhone 13 PM & trying to edit pics i took in 12 MP heic format, i got a lot of sky banding and it looks terrible. so now i will shooting everything in proraw or proraw + heic (halide) so i dont get sky banding.

 

[ITsamsamsam]

for those who ask for a comparison between raw and heic: I can't send the photos from the phone, because, as mentioned, if I look at the RAW from the phone it "seems" processed like a heic.
I then took a picture of the photos as they are displayed on the mac.
Here they are: as you will see Raw out of the mox is much less processed than Heic. In my opinion, getting the same effect on the clouds as HDR smart with deep fusion is not possible even by editing the pro raw

 

[JaraCz]

RAW is up?

 

[ITsamsamsam]

RAW is up?

Yes!

 

[MadAngelUK]

Great thread, I'm learning some things that have confused me for a while.

I love Halide I've typically taken photos under the ProRAW + HEIC option. In my head, this was a great way to get a great photo from the outset but also have the room for extra processing via the RAW if needed. 90% of the time the RAW element isn't needed. I just never worked out how to delete the RAW part and keep the HEIC. Is the only option to use Lightroom/Darkroom and re-save the file (edited or not) as a HEIC or JPEG and delete the original?

 

[ITsamsamsam]

after all pro raw allows MUCH more margin in photo retouching.
Two images, the first is modified heic.; the second comes from a modified pro raw

 

[silver25u]

Is 3rd party app 48MP HEIC significantly/noticeable better than stock camera app 12MP binned HEIC for an average user?

 

[stumblingfalk]

Always 48mp ProRAW.

I exclusively use the ProCamera app which is by far the best app for someone with decades of «proper» camera experience IMHO. It also have a nice image browser, and a raw converter/editor.

My workflow.
- Shoot.

- Allow save to ProCameras lightbox folder (no auto upload to iCloud or similar). I do the initial sorting and deleting here as well.

- Open RAW in ProCamera RAW converter. If just a quick pic, save directly to jpg, then export file to camera roll. Delete original raw. The cloud grabs it for backup.

If edit, export to tif, open in Snapseed. Export jpg from Snapseed, back to ProCamera, export raw to camera roll, delete from ProCamera. Cloud grabs it for backup.

- Airdrop raws and jpgs to the Macbook. It then again backups locally to a NAS. Alas, I maintain several backups of my photography, regardless if its by mobile or «proper» camera.

- I use Google Photos app and cloud, not iCloud, meaning if I delete a file locally by any other app than Google Photos, that change will not be reflected in the cloud. So I eventually delete local raws knowing the originals are safe in the cloud, thus freeing up loads of space.

This works for me, but I’m fine spending time with my images and having multiple steps as I’ve been a photog since the days of film.