Either the hardware will force you to new software or say a banking app will require the update. Anyway, hard to think of alternatives. The whole thing is still not even fully live yet so let’s wait and see.
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Will you update to iOS 15?
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Either the hardware will force you to new software or say a banking app will require the update. Anyway, hard to think of alternatives. The whole thing is still not even fully live yet so let’s wait and see.
No, I won't install the coming dictator friendly operating system. I will use my iPhone as long as possible with iOS 14.x Version and will not buy any new Apple devices.
Maybe I gonna sell my XR for 1000 Dollar or more on eBay end of the year, prices for iPhones without the no more privacy iOS 15 will explode.
Maybe I gonna sell my XR for 1000 Dollar or more on eBay end of the year, prices for iPhones without the no more privacy iOS 15 will explode.
Probably not in the foreseeable future. Staying with iOS 14 will probably be an interim solution only. We will have to see how the whole situation develops, if Apple backtracks on this measure or if, even worse, governments around the world use this as leverage to force Android to implement the same sort of on-device surveillance mechanism.
The only financial thing that requires an app for me is Apple Card, which is only used for Apple stuff. Should that break from not updating 🤷 . I make sure that when I buy stuff, it’s not tied to an app to function, or the app can function on ancient versions of the OS.
Alternatives do exist for the rest, and I already have many of them should it get that bad.
Though I am not as concerned about this particular topic, I do like the idea of having backups!
I doubt you will see a price explosion. Outside of nerd forums like MR, I doubt most people will know about the change or care, for those that do read or hear about it.
I don't have any apps that require anything higher than iOS 12. One can stay on iOS 14 for a loooong time, if they want. A friend of mine is still running a 5s, and it does everything she wants.
I'll upgrade once iOS hits 15.1. I never upgrade to the newest OS, on my phone or otherwise, until the first major point update. By then, I except all this hullabaloo will be sorted out.
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Can‘t compare this to the contact tracing app because the 13.7 update that had people without an app participate in the tracing is useless anyways if said users don‘t eventually download an app to manage the tracing database.
The system is also inherently private and can‘t be abused because you pull for exposure on your keyset, not the other way around. It‘s up to you to be a good citizen and report your exposure to authorities. CSAM has Apple internet police come knocking at your door to redeem your safety tickets.
Can you point me where Google does on device scanning?
I read about tools they provide and scanning of shared files for CSAM.
Surely nothing to hide… nothing to fear! Personally I’ll do anything to help the exploitation of innocent children.
those worried about apple squealing … did they not refuse to hand over the contents of a suspected terrorists phone previously and get taken to court for it? Claiming it breached personal privacy? If I’m right about that then I suspect you have nothing to fear.
those worried about apple squealing … did they not refuse to hand over the contents of a suspected terrorists phone previously and get taken to court for it? Claiming it breached personal privacy? If I’m right about that then I suspect you have nothing to fear.
I believe you contradicted yourself there. The odds might be extremely low that an image gets inspected by Apple, but as long as the possibility exists then it's always going to feel like the sword of Damocles is hanging above your head.
Will this private picture also be shared with Apple?
Will this scanned document with personal details on it be shared with Apple? (assuming images within notes synced to iCloud are also checked)
etc.
I do wonder why this approach was chosen over the current "check in the cloud" method used by social media, search engines and other cloud storage companies. Out of sight is out of mind for most people, and I suspect this sort of thing already happens.
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Newly released major versions of IOS tend to be buggy, so no. I won't be updating for quite a while.
I hear you and here are simple and free solutions to your described scenario:
1) I was getting 30+ unsolicited text messages a week for political crap with no way to stop it.
Annoying, but you can block the sender and never hear from them again. Messages > SMS in question > “i” icon;
2) With iOS 15 combining received pictures with your photo library if I understood the keynote correctly, it’s possible that received photos end up automatically being saved to iCloud as part of the shared with you feature.
The pictures we receive with Messages are not automatically saved into our photo libraries, we need to save them. In WhatsApp and such we can also opt out from received pictures automatically being saved into our photo libraries. This actually helps with having less junk in Photos.
3) If someone gains access to my email, they’d be one step closer to getting my Apple ID.
This is why you should have a strong password and 2FA enabled on your Apple account.
4) Or like I said earlier, all it takes is for someone to snatch my phone, wave it in front of my face and run off with it, and now they have access to my account because Face ID unlocked the phone for them (if I had Face ID enabled).
Here you have a solution at the end of your description. If you are truly concerned, you can turn on “Attention aware” features of FaceID or disable FaceID altogether and use the security code.
Your described issues 3) & 4) have been there already and have nothing to do with Apple’s latest photo/video control initiative.
How much do you think I'll get for any of these? Tell you what, you can have the 2 on the left for $1000. I'll guarantee you that Apple will never be able to scan photos taken with or stored on those 2.
I'm also pretty sure none of the networks I used these phones on ever scanned any of my highly encrypted text messages...
Seal these in a clear resin block and they make great conversation / art pieces. Maybe even a small plaque for each with the model / year.
Sorry, you’re right, worded badly. I meant to say unless an image is flagged as CSAM then no one will see any of your pictures.
I can’t sorry, just going by what many people have already said in this thread about Google having done something at least *similar* for a number of years.
Edit: However, to add, I can’t see anything online which states they scan on-device Google photo libraries…?
I have to admit to being quite surprised at the amount of traction on all news platforms this has received. I also wouldn’t be surprised because of the backlash, if Apple reverse this decision. I still stand by what I said earlier though that if they want to do it that’s fine by me and I will still upgrade to 15 as soon as I can.
1. Yes, but that only blocks a specific number. Each message came from a different number, so this was useless.
2. The Shared With You feature shows all received photos from Messages in the Photos app. Can anyone running iOS 15 beta confirm that these albums are saved to iCloud automatically? As of iOS 14.7.1, they don’t automatically save, but this is a highlighted feature for iOS 15.
3. I already do.
4. Attention aware is only effective if you successfully NOT look at your phone.
Maybe not relevant, but related in that this introduces yet another pathway into our data. Many of my concerns specifically about CSAM detection are echoed by more qualified voices than myself. The things I fear about this are:
1. The principle of the entire thing. This is one step down a dangerous path, and one that I’m not willing to go along with. Again, this is irrelevant to whether or not I have something to hide (which I don’t).
2. Where is this feature headed in terms of future development (I brought up contact Tracing as an example of a 2-part rollout), in that will this eventually function independent of iCloud?
3. Who has control of the blacklist?
4. What positive effect is this actually going to have? All this does is crack down on those storing previously known material, not the ones creating it (and physically harming children). For example, a good conversation can be found in the video below with this specific point being brought up at the 26 minute mark.
An honest conversation on Apple, hashing, & privacy with Daniel Smullen
Daniel Smullen is a Software Engineering Ph.D. candidate whose main areas of interest include privacy, security, machine learning, autonomous systems, software architecture, and the Internet of Things...
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You might want to read the recent Apple FAQs. Scanning is on device. The alert is on uploading to the iCloud.
From BBC News:
The Met Police is trying to dismiss a highly decorated officer who was reinstated on appeal after being sacked for possessing a child abuse video.
However, the Met said it had decided to "instigate judicial review proceedings" over the officer's reinstatement.
Ms Williams' trial heard she received the video via WhatsApp from her sister who had been sent the clip by her boyfriend.
The officer said she had not viewed the 54-second video and did not know it was on her phone.
But prosecutors said there was no way she could have missed it…..
Apple announcing that they make make this technology available to other apps just makes this worse. Do we need to stop child porn - yes but I doubt this would do it all .
If there isn't a way to fully disable the new on device scanning, then I'm on iOS 14 indefinitely.
Maybe I wrote it wrong but according to Apple's own FAQ that was updated, they have stated that this only applies to customers that use icloud photos. There will be some sort of on-device activity but they also stated that customers that don't have icloud photos enabled, won't "benefit" from this new feature.
