OP, a lot of what you see may be related to what is described in this article: Behind the Windows 7 Memory Usage scaremongering.
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I'm not 'You windows users'.
I use both, every day. I am totally OS ambivalent. BUt I'm embarrassed to be an Mac owner a lot of the time. Because of people like you, and *LTD* and others.
On which planet does it happen - THIS one. I was pushing for the firm I used to work for to move to Macs. One colleague cited the EXACT thing I stated - they refuse to use a Mac because of the Mac community.
And lets face it - if everything were as utterly awesome in the Mac world as you claim - then there wouldn't be a SINGLE thread in this place about people having problems, crashes, trouble, headaches with their 'perfect' Mac computers. I've had far more headaches with the Mac's I've owned that the PC's I've owned. FAR more. I've re-installed OSX on this MacBook more times in a year than I've ever reinstalled Windows on any machine I've ever owned.
Wake up - Macs are not better. They're different. That's all.
You see, you're putting words in our mouths. No one has EVER said that Macs are perfect. That they're much better than Windows yes, that they are practically "immune" to viruses yes, but never that they're perfect.
Then you're in the minority. Most of Mac users are switchers, and are enjoying Macs much more than they did PCs.
I have both systems too, and I have to reinstall Windows every 2-3 months to keep it running at an acceptable performance.
My parents used PCs, and they got infections every month, subtly flying under the antivirus' nose. And guess who had to cure those? And I can't count how many times they yelled at me because they lost their work (either an app crashed or the whole system did).
Now, after getting a Mac they never ask for my help for anything.
Similar thing for my close friends. I've convinced them to use Macs, and now they are much happier with them.
Now I have installed Windows 7 on their PCs and let them try, none of them wants to go back.
That is the situation with most of Mac users that defend their computers.
Maybe for you. But for me, those around me and millions of other users around the world they're vastly superior. Perfect no, superior yes.
Don't worry. I have known and worked with people like you. The first step is to admit that you have a problem. You may know where to find the menu bar on a Mac and how to use a single-button mouse or a multitouch trackpad, but you are a Windows user and--I'm guessing--owner at heart. For the first time anywhere, I will coin the phrase Mac accessor for Windows people who take advantage of access to Macs.
You claim if true that you had more trouble with Macs than with PCs puts you in the distinct minority. One of the many reasons that Mac buyers buy Macs is to avoid these kinds of problems. Of course, you didn't define headaches. My guess is that you are not as conversant with the Mac as you want us to believe. That is to be expected of a Mac accessor.
Want to talk about headaches? I have never seen a Mac go up in smoke the first time that it is the power is switched on. At my previous employer, I saw PCs do just that. On my current job, my department had four Dells next door to my office. All but one of them appears to have spontaneously disintegrated. The one that hasn't spontaneously fallen apart is in very bad shape. My own last PC purchase was four towers and one laptop. The laptop is still OK, but three of the four towers are now doorstops. Of the three inoperable PCs, each appears to have failed after less than 24 hours of uptime.
You may have been frustrated because your Mac does not behave like your Windows PC. The solution to your problem is simple. Learn the Mac and how to use it. Consider the frustration of having paid several thousand dollars for three doorstops.
After a couple of weeks of running windows 7 it doesn't seem to have any improvements over previous versions other than that it seems like it's trying to be less Clever which makes it more usable. It's still the same old runaround as ten years ago, seems ok til you start actually using it. Takes 4x longer to boot than os x, and just yesterday I booted up and programs simply wouldn't open for no apparent reason. The problem went away when I rebooted, but wtf. That people will seriously use something that behaves that way is ridiculous.
ANd no Mac has ever been DOA right? Grow up - seriously.
And surely, if Mac's are so easy and awesome, there's no learning to be done?
There's no learning involved in wondering why Safari is slow as hell. There's no learning involved in the networking being crap, the Finder being useless, the green button on various open windows being totally inconsistent etc etc. These are flaws with the OS. Every OS has them, OS X has just as many as Windows. Anyone pretending otherwise is not living in the real world.
Oh - and Disc Golfer - apps that won't open for some reason? I had that with the FINDER yesterday. My mac ( 1 week old install of SL) would NOT shut down. It just hung. Had to hard reset, and then the finder froze next time it was running. Eventually I quit it - and it wouldn't reload. Had to reset again.
I'm not sure who you're trying to convince here - but every Mac I've owned, and indeed, every mac I've ever used (even other peoples Macs) have problems, plenty of problems.
It sounds to me that the problem here is that computers are suck and using them is bunk. Time to smoke some hash and go for a bike ride.
I agree that about the embarrassment. I had a friend (well... someone I knew anyways,) who was always boasting about his Mac. He made himself look a complete prick.
Then I got a Mac after a bad experience with Vista and so I could do my audio production on the go. I can almost sense everyone's expectation that I am going to be big headed and snobbish about it.
No. It entirely depends on what you use your computer for. I wouldn't dream of having a Windows box in my studio. However I wouldn't dream of having a Mac in a Gaming Cafe.
Never happened.
Not true.
Absolute BS.
It's not inconsistent, it behaves differently with different applications. You're thinking the Windows way, this is OS X, not Windows.
Undoubtedly.
Not nearly as many.
Guess millions of users are not living in the real world then.
Same thing has happened to me and every PC user I know with Windows. Not with any Mac user I know.
I know people who still run old PPC Macs, and they run perfectly. I'm sure you can find some on this forum too.
So you're either unlucky or not using them properly, because that's something abnormal.
How much is Apple paying you? Seriously - you've got Mac right there in your forum username - you've got to be on a %'age cut for that, right?
If Microsoft were paying me - why would I have an MBP, an MB and a UBMB in my house, plus iPhone and iPod Touch?
My god Apple fanboys are the most ignorant, arrogant, self centred bunch of blinkered brand worshippers on this planet. Nothing comes close. Nothing.
You, sir, are a complete joke. Your posts read like those of a paid shill for Microsoft. You can claim to own anything you want to; we have no way to verify it as true or show it up for a bald-faced lie.
For the record: I don't work for Apple, or have anything to do with them other than owning several of their products.
Remember this site is calle MacRumors.
There is more chance of Apple / Mac fans than not...
Try telling that to our resident Microsoft fanboy.
I can take pictures of my apple hardware if you want. I can link to videos of me clearly using Keynote if you want, like these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRq0sUP0KbY
http://vimeo.com/4432230
But what the hell does it matter - you think whatever you want to - you're so sure of yourself, so sure that my problems with OS X can not possibly be real, that you're resorting to accusing me of faking the whole damn lot.
That's pathetic. Even for a Mac user.
I'm a Mac user. FWIW, I've 2 Macs (an iBook for 4 years, iMac for 20 months) & rate them highly in that they've been extremely reliable &, so far, have never let me down. To me it seems plain daft for anyone not to buy a Mac or refuse to use OS X principally because (as claimed here) some Mac users tell outright lies about Windows - which being honest, a small minority probably do, & vice versa.
It'd be like me not buying Windows 7 for my Mac purely because I know some PC owning, Windows 7 loving, gaming dudes who love dissing Macs with outright lies like "no right click" or "loads of OS X viruses", etc. I'll of course order Windows 7 for my Mac because it seems a decent OS & allows me to run software not available for OS X. To base software/hardware buying decisions purely on the impressions one receives from a minority of users of any platform, seems extremely self-defeating.
It'd be like me not buying Windows 7 for my Mac purely because I know some PC owning, Windows 7 loving, gaming dudes who love dissing Macs with outright lies like "no right click" or "loads of OS X viruses", etc.
I'll of course order Windows 7 for my Mac because it seems a decent OS & allows me to run software not available for OS X. To base software/hardware buying decisions purely on the impressions one receives from a minority of users of any platform, seems extremely self-defeating.
And there are ever never ever Microsoft users who act this way either. Grow up really. You are just as bad. Please give us a break.
I am sorry but when you spew your hatred towards Apple/Mac on an Apple/Mac forum one needs to think.
I for one don't think you are making up your problem, however the way you present this problem and then the endless tirades of bad mouthing comments, what do you expect to happen? Do you expect the people here to lay down a red carpet and great you with open arms after you have insulted you? Really?
Holy crap - I posted the story for interest sake - not for a flame war to break out!!
I haven't seen any posts in the past few days, probably won't after reading the page 3 posts!
@John Jacob
Interesting link - thanks!
The link in the original post appears to be overly dramatic.
I haven't seen any posts in the past few days, probably won't after reading the page 3 posts!
@John Jacob
Interesting link - thanks!
The link in the original post appears to be overly dramatic.
I never said that no Mac was ever DOA. What I did say was that I have never seen a DOA Mac--not in 21 years of dealing with Macs. No one I know has ever told me about a DOA Mac. I have read no reports of a DOA Mac. If there has been one, then the Windows fanboys like you would have talked incessantly about their DOA Mac and how Steve Jobs is the Antichrist.
I'm inclined to agree; it's very peaceful down there.
Agreed on RAM usage. I have it to use not look at. 