Also just found out that bootcamp won't work on a raid volume. I have 2x500gb raid 0 startup drive and bootcamp won't install. Says it needs a single volume. LAME!
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Windows XP games on Mac Pro via boot camp: I still need PC?
- Thread starter tyr123tyr
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
macenforcer said:
It's not lame. What's lame is that you THINK you have a raid 0 startup drive.
It is SOFTWARE RAID, not HARDWARE RAID...
Therefore, a magnitude of difference.
Here's what I did:
I have 4 250Gig SATA drives.
I've striped 2 of them, booting OS X (RAID 0 Software)
The 3rd Hard Disk has XP on it,
The 4th is my Backup disk.
Happy Hunting.
CyberDoberman said:No, you Wouldn't.
I've not installed BootCamp on MY MAC PRO whatsoever, HOWEVER...
The ONLY OS I have loaded is Windows XP.
It boots right off the CD...
The ONLY THING BOOT CAMP IS is a Driver Disk and a Repartitioning Tool for Mac OS X.
IT IS NOT NEEDED TO RUN XP WHATSOEVER.
What makes this possible is a compatibility layer installed BY APPLE NOW AT THE FACTORY inside the EFI Bios.
Previously, All Macs included as part of Boot Camp this Bios Update which was REQUIRED to boot XP on the Mac.
THIS IS NOT NEEDED ANYMORE AS THE MAC PRO SHIPS FROM APPLE WITH THIS COMPATIBILITY LAYER ALREADY INSTALLED.
TO RECAP:
You do NOT need BootCamp or ANYTHING LIKE IT to run XP.
I installed the XP SP2 Disc, formatted the ENTIRE OS X Partition (effectively deleting OS X altogether), and XP installed without a hitch.
One I found the right drivers for everything, the only thing that doesn't work right is the Hard Disk Speed.
There are some exclamation points in the CPU section of the PCI Express Bridge in the Hardware Device Manager section of XP. I'll GUARANTEE that these are causing the disk issues....
To the original poster:
JUST BECAUSE THE DRIVES ARE SLOW DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T PLAY GAMES. I played QUAKE 4 at High Quality * 1280x1024 & 4x AA for hours last night.
Works great. Just takes a few minutes to load
THIS WILL BE FIXED IN A DRIVER UPDATE IN THE FUTURE.
You are able to 100% throw away your PC
This is simply JUST LIKE when the MacBook Pro was released. It was about 2 to 3 weeks before new BootCamp XP Drivers were released by Apple.
A couple months later, I tried again (on my MacBook Pro), and it worked flawlessly.
So, no worries mate... It'll be working flawlessly soon enough
That is good to hear, I do have one question for you though, how do the nvidia forceware drivers you download from http://www.nvidia.com work? (I'm obviously assuming you have a 7300GT as the X1900XT is not shipping yet) Have you tried them? Also if you don't mind, how do applications like RivaTuner or other overclocking utilities recognize the 7300GT or if they even recognize it at all.
Chone said:
I know it's hard to understand, and it frustrates me just a *little* bit... and I'm not annoyed at you...so don't take it that way, OK?
EVERYTHING WORKS JUST LIKE A REAL PC!!!! WHY? BECAUSE IT IS A REAL PC! The ONLY difference at all is that Apple chose to use an EFI BIOS instead of a standard Crapola BIOS that is on all the other PCs in the world.
EFI will be coming to a PC (standard) near you in the future, and at that time, hopefully VISTA will support it. VISTA was originally supposed to support EFI BIOS, as it helps do away with things such as IRQs, and their conflicts, etc.
So, ...Yes, the nVIDIA Drivers work flawlessly... I even enabled the "Coolbits" secret overclocking utiligy BUILT INTO the forceware drivers, and increased the speed with no ill effects by about 35-40%!!! These 7300GT cards shipped with a core from apple of 300Mhz on my machine, I clocked it at 435Mhz and have had NO PROBLEMS!
How MUCH is this a REAL PC? It's so much a real PC that you can take a regular old video card, and it will WORK FINE as long as you are only booting Windows
Hope that helps
CyberDoberman said:
How did you get it to install? Boot camp tells me to format my drives in to 2 seperate single partition drives, and what does software raid have to do with it and how is that not raid? Hmm, lets hear it.
CyberDoberman said:I know it's hard to understand, and it frustrates me just a *little* bit... and I'm not annoyed at you...so don't take it that way, OK?
EVERYTHING WORKS JUST LIKE A REAL PC!!!! WHY? BECAUSE IT IS A REAL PC! The ONLY difference at all is that Apple chose to use an EFI BIOS instead of a standard Crapola BIOS that is on all the other PCs in the world.
EFI will be coming to a PC (standard) near you in the future, and at that time, hopefully VISTA will support it. VISTA was originally supposed to support EFI BIOS, as it helps do away with things such as IRQs, and their conflicts, etc.
So, ...Yes, the nVIDIA Drivers work flawlessly... I even enabled the "Coolbits" secret overclocking utiligy BUILT INTO the forceware drivers, and increased the speed with no ill effects by about 35-40%!!! These 7300GT cards shipped with a core from apple of 300Mhz on my machine, I clocked it at 435Mhz and have had NO PROBLEMS!
How MUCH is this a REAL PC? It's so much a real PC that you can take a regular old video card, and it will WORK FINE as long as you are only booting Windows
Hope that helps
I see and I feel your frustration, my only concern was the videocard drivers because I was worried the videocard was some Mac edition vid card and drivers were incompatible, the rest is identical PC hardware so there shouldn't be any trouble. Well I'm very happy to hear that, I can't wait to buy a Mac Pro with a X1900XT, it will fulfill like 3 needs at the same time, I've needed a faster gaming machine for some time now, I've needed a faster Mac and I've needed a faster computer for heavy non-gaming related apps like Adobe Photoshop and the like, my G4 system just doesn't cut it anymore, oh I just thought of a 4th need, I've wanted a 2nd Gaming PC for LANs
You just made my day Cyberdoberman
this Mac Pro will be the best 3000$ I've ever spent on Macs. (and I've bought tons of expensive macs)
macenforcer said:
Use BootCamp to burn the driver disc (although kinda worthless at this point)... and ignore BootCamp from that point on. It only helps when you have 1 physical drive, which currently has one partition taking up the entire thing, and you want to create a second partition on the same drive for Windows. You /can/ use Windows to partition and boot off another drive if you wish (being careful not to nuke your OS X drives).
How to install? Put in the XP disc, reboot, and hold 'C'.
Software RAID is different from Hardware RAID because the RAID aspects of the drives are handled by the OS, not hardware. What this means is that only OS X would even know how to handle the drives in that RAID array. How is Windows or Linux supposed to really work all that well when the drives are in some proprietary Apple RAID format?
To give you an idea, I have a 300GB HDD I bought while waiting for my Mac Pro (should update my sig :/), which I am going to make the main OS X drive in the Mac Pro that I am waiting for (silly X1900 XT fowling up the works), and the 250GB which came with it is going to be repartitioned into two pieces. One for Vista, one for XP SP 2. The only reason why I am even thinking about slapping Vista on this thing is because we need to start testing our product on Vista, and nobody on our team minus one person is even running it (Visual Studio 2005 has issues with device development, which just happens to mean our division, and the fixes aren't available yet. :/).
Krevnik said:Use BootCamp to burn the driver disc (although kinda worthless at this point)... and ignore BootCamp from that point on. It only helps when you have 1 physical drive, which currently has one partition taking up the entire thing, and you want to create a second partition on the same drive for Windows. You /can/ use Windows to partition and boot off another drive if you wish (being careful not to nuke your OS X drives).
How to install? Put in the XP disc, reboot, and hold 'C'.
Software RAID is different from Hardware RAID because the RAID aspects of the drives are handled by the OS, not hardware. What this means is that only OS X would even know how to handle the drives in that RAID array. How is Windows or Linux supposed to really work all that well when the drives are in some proprietary Apple RAID format?
To give you an idea, I have a 300GB HDD I bought while waiting for my Mac Pro (should update my sig :/), which I am going to make the main OS X drive in the Mac Pro that I am waiting for (silly X1900 XT fowling up the works), and the 250GB which came with it is going to be repartitioned into two pieces. One for Vista, one for XP SP 2. The only reason why I am even thinking about slapping Vista on this thing is because we need to start testing our product on Vista, and nobody on our team minus one person is even running it (Visual Studio 2005 has issues with device development, which just happens to mean our division, and the fixes aren't available yet. :/).
Right. What he said.
Additionally, if you are in a RAID ) configuration, you have bits of data written to BOTH drives... so... I'm thinking it's just a TAD bit more unrealistic to re-partition a RAID volume that requires the OS to know where to put those bits instead of a dedicated HARDWARE RAID SETUP that determines where / how those bits are written.
Course, it COULD be that BootCamp was written prior to Mac Pro's release, and they didn't write in that capability because... well... how do you do RAID 0 on an iMac????
Seriously, go spend $70 at Fry's on a second SATA hard disk for XP, and just boot off that drive!
Chone said:I see and I feel your frustration, my only concern was the videocard drivers because I was worried the videocard was some Mac edition vid card and drivers were incompatible, the rest is identical PC hardware so there shouldn't be any trouble. Well I'm very happy to hear that, I can't wait to buy a Mac Pro with a X1900XT, it will fulfill like 3 needs at the same time, I've needed a faster gaming machine for some time now, I've needed a faster Mac and I've needed a faster computer for heavy non-gaming related apps like Adobe Photoshop and the like, my G4 system just doesn't cut it anymore, oh I just thought of a 4th need, I've wanted a 2nd Gaming PC for LANs
You just made my day Cyberdoberman
I hear ya. I'm sooo excited about mine, too.
I mean, I've always had PeeCees alongside my Macs for Games, DVD Burning, etc. etc. , and little things that just unfortunately ya can't do on a Mac. While there are few, they are there, and are reality.
So, this is the PERFECT scenario...
Basically, 2 hard drives, and you have 2 complete separate computers.
WOW!
Now, just to get a better video card in here
Well I have 5 500gb hard drives so I managed to get Windows Media Center Edition installed and its working fine. Only drive in the system and no os x on it. Now what happens when I put back the osx drives? Also, does anyone know where to get drivers for the Mac Pro from? I have the Video driver and the Ethernet driver but thats it.
I just found this here on a mac pro review site (i don't like to partition - instead use additional internal HD for windows):
does this guy just don't know, or does it just mean that boot camp won't work with two different HD's.
If i understand right, there is no need for BootCamp anymore, when you have two or more HD's, right?
does this guy just don't know, or does it just mean that boot camp won't work with two different HD's.
If i understand right, there is no need for BootCamp anymore, when you have two or more HD's, right?
CyberDoberman said:Additionally, if you are in a RAID ) configuration, you have bits of data written to BOTH drives... so... I'm thinking it's just a TAD bit more unrealistic to re-partition a RAID volume that requires the OS to know where to put those bits instead of a dedicated HARDWARE RAID SETUP that determines where / how those bits are written.
Course, it COULD be that BootCamp was written prior to Mac Pro's release, and they didn't write in that capability because... well... how do you do RAID 0 on an iMac????
I honestly don't believe that Apple would take the huge hit in resources to port their software RAID solution to Windows, and get Windows booting off of it. That isn't a small undertaking, and seeing the effort thrown into the beta, Apple hasn't really done much of anything other than the CDEject and Brightness tools, and the installer package, in terms of Windows drivers.
If it was a hardware RAID, then yeah, Boot Camp would probably know how to re-partition it.
And as to the 'how do you do RAID 0 on an iMac????' question: Get firewire drives, make RAID.
L int. said:
This guy is an idiot.
I have 4 HARD DRIVES...
And XP is installed completely by it's lonesome self on one of them.
MAC OS X is installed COMPLETELY by it's lonesome on a different disk.
I hold down the Option key when booting, and *BAM* XP and OS X show up.
Misinformation is incredible... gotta love it
so far everything sounds pretty good to me.
1 drive i can throw osx on.
1 drive i can throw xp on.
that leaves me with 2 open drives.
is is possible to access both these drive when using xp and osx?
ideally i'd like to be able to use them for mp3's on drive 3 and for raw/tiff storage on drive 4.
if it is possible, what steps do i need to take to be able to have both osx and xp use these drives.
thanks for taking the time to explain this and everything else. im sure all us noobs appreciate it
1 drive i can throw osx on.
1 drive i can throw xp on.
that leaves me with 2 open drives.
is is possible to access both these drive when using xp and osx?
ideally i'd like to be able to use them for mp3's on drive 3 and for raw/tiff storage on drive 4.
if it is possible, what steps do i need to take to be able to have both osx and xp use these drives.
thanks for taking the time to explain this and everything else. im sure all us noobs appreciate it
JNaut said:
grrr, now that sucks...I'm planning on picking up a Mac Pro to use with XP and OSX. I have a 500gb drive now with all of my photos and home video on it (probably 200gb worth total) and it's NTFS. I want both OS'es to be able to see and work with the same files if need be so now I'll have to transfer all of th efiles on to another drive, and then reformat to FAT32...
JNaut said:
There are...
but check this out as well...
https://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-125172.html