The question here is whether the M2 equivalent would've solved the problem, too. I think it probably would have. Nowhere near as beautiful, but you'd get to enjoy that in two years time. That's how I look at it anyway.
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iPad Pro Would like to go from my 2020 iPad Pro to the new 13” OLED, but iPads are such a ridiculous luxury I can’t bring myself to do it
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I don’t think OLED alone is enough to warrant an upgrade, especially if the 2020 Pro is working perfectly. I can’t see how there is going to be a vast difference. The prices of the new Pro’s are just outrageous too, laughable almost.
The only iPads Apple Australia have had as refurbs for at least from I think November 2023, have been mini iPads. And the iPads they had last year were 2 TB 13" versions and were very expensive, and i think, pretty old versions!!! I think Apple Australia no longer see refurbs as a way to make money. I reckon they provide them to resellers, and if those units have an issue, I reckon it will be tough to get Apple to agree to fix them. But if I pay the full price, if something goes wrong, I reckon Apple will be good about it. But with my Apple watch Ultra, I have it on a monthly Apple insurance scheme. Because I scratched my previous watch, and I thought the insurance cost worthwhile for the watch. But so far I have not hurt the Ultra watch. I would do the same for a new phone too. Because I drop mine now and then. But with computers, Apple's insurance cost is too high - and then we do have Australian law .. but I am less sure about Refurbs and Australian law, and buying from a reseller as a refurb or used, I'd say Apple will charge a heap for a repair.
Strange thing is I bought a discounted Macbook M3 Pro Max 1TB/39 Ram from Apple on line. The store in Southland Melbourne would not sell it to me, because the retail store would not match the price. So left the store and bought the computer on line, but I had to ring someone in the Philippines from Apple, who matched the price (someone like JB HIFI had it 10% off). But I returned it because I felt I could not live with 1TB, or for that matter, under 40 GB RAM over for instance 4 or 5 years.
I also almost bought a used Studio but just missed out. I think I regret that, but maybe not ... it seems Apple doesn't plan for longevity with its software support as much as it used. IMO at least. While Windows does support old architecture and machines IMO. I think I need to educate myself into the benefits of Unix for desktops etc.
Fact is the M4 Pros are perfect tablets. Screen quality, thinness, weight. This is the one to upgrade to, no matter which iPad you have right now. After this, you won‘t have to upgrade your iPad for a very long time.
Wow, you're right. There are still a decent number of refurb MacBooks available, but the iPads have almost entirely disappeared.
I thought the same about my 11" M1 iPad Pro and I still feel no need to update. But it completely depends on what you're using them for.
I went from a A12X 2018 to a m1 11” to a m2 12.9” to a m4 11”
all of them get hot or at least warm, but not the m4
For me during summer it's a kind of a big deal, I manage by having 2 iPad pros 12.9 so when I watch a movie or a youtube video once one gets unconfortably warm I switch to the other, resuming where I left. I didn't buy 2 for this, just I didn't sell the old one, but it has a been a workaround for heat
Just picked up my 13” M4 IPP today. Debated on the Magic Keyboard. How do you like yours? Do you also use a screen protector? I hate them but worry about the keys and aluminum contacting the screen
I really like the MKB and had no qualms about buying another one, particularly the new one with aluminum & function keys. I also had the Logitech for the 12.9 but didn't care for the larger footprint and I like the raised forward display with the MKB. I don't use a screen protector; I did for a while on the 12.9 but removed it because of the increased reflectivity. As for key contacting the screen, I had that issue in the past with laptops and got in the habit of laying a thin microfiber cloth over the keyboard before closing it - I like having the cloth available anyways.
Good call on the cloth. Maybe I’ll try to see where I can pick one up. MKB seems like a good idea. Expensive but would allow me to type easier when being a tech nerd on here on MR and use in pure tablet mode when I am in the mood for that
I also like the charge port on the MKB, freeing up the USB-C port for other usage. But I also think it's overpriced - typical Apple with accessories.
In my hands, on my lap would be the magic keyboard and that does not get hot.
I can understand that it gets too hot during summers to hold comfortably.
In my case it’s a bit different: when I use it with large files and attach it to my 32”4K display, it heats up and doesn’t want to charge past 80%, then (I think/feel) it also starts to throttle and sometimes not just becomes slow, but also a bit erratic in the interface behavior. This happens in winter as well as in summer, although much more frequent in summer obviously.
The M4 is the first that I can’t push that far. And we’ve had serious hot days this summer, up to 38C.
I think everyone has their own amount of upgrade-itis to get through before they come out the other side. It took me about a decade of buying every (EVERY) last major and minor update from Apple, Nikon, Campagnolo, Fat Chance, Yeti Cycles etc.
Eventually, you can end up looking at the objects you’ve acquired as a collection you’re actively curating, and when you see how inexpensively you can pick up an older favorite model you parted with, just to put on your shelf... & then find that old classic still works as well as it ever did, has features or qualities the new ones don’t have, and… and then there you are, off the upgrade train, delighted that you can choose to acquire and use the finest things you love rather than the newest.
Eventually, you can end up looking at the objects you’ve acquired as a collection you’re actively curating, and when you see how inexpensively you can pick up an older favorite model you parted with, just to put on your shelf... & then find that old classic still works as well as it ever did, has features or qualities the new ones don’t have, and… and then there you are, off the upgrade train, delighted that you can choose to acquire and use the finest things you love rather than the newest.
I was absolutely convinced I would pick up an OLED iPad to replace my 2018 model, as I really wanted something with a lower weight and thinner to be more comfortable in the hand.
Went to the Apple Store and... it's basically the same as the 2018 model? Sure, it's thinner and lighter, but neither of these really impacts the overall feel as much as I had hoped. Much quicker, sure. But that was never an issue for me. And a nicer screen, but the 2018 iPad Pro screen is already pretty darn good.
With having to also switch out the accessories, I am sticking with the 2018 for a while yet!
Went to the Apple Store and... it's basically the same as the 2018 model? Sure, it's thinner and lighter, but neither of these really impacts the overall feel as much as I had hoped. Much quicker, sure. But that was never an issue for me. And a nicer screen, but the 2018 iPad Pro screen is already pretty darn good.
With having to also switch out the accessories, I am sticking with the 2018 for a while yet!
I can relate. With myself having no interest in the AI features that are coming up in iOS and having spent time with iOS 18 public beta on both my iPad Mini and iPhone 13 Pro Max I find myself disinterested in having the latest and greatest hardware for this cycle. This leaves me thinking that my old 2017 iPP 12.9 will just continue to be my supplemental iPad behind my Mini and I'll wait one more hardware cycle to see if anything that comes up on iOS excites me in the future. Maybe when 6th gen iPPs are up on Apple's refurbished site I'll look to get one, still not sure and can't justify the cost since I don't do enough productivity stuff on them.
And much faster chip with better thermals. And better display without booming (although some complain of PWM). And a new pencil. And a new keyboard. A nano display. And TB4. Those things might not appeal to you, but to others they might make a real difference in daily usage.
(The thinner and lighter are so marginal in daily use, certainly with a mkb that it’s a moot argument, imho)
thinner and lighter marginal? For me that's by far the main reason to get the M4 13... (but I would use it mainly without a MK). And reading these forums, I am not alone
I am not sure whether you already have one, but if not then do check it out in the Apple Store first - I was convinced I would find the weight difference quite significant, but on picking it up I found it to still be a fairly hefty device compared to, say, an iPad Mini or Kindle.
The thinness is noticeable if outside of a case, but it still has the same sharp edges of the 2018 model, so the 'hand feel' was quite similar. Visually the thinness is quite striking though.
Very good machines, but just not quite the revolution I had hoped for.
I have checked it out many times, both in the Apple store and in several other shops. I would never compare it to an iPad mini or Kindle or even to an 11" iPad for that matter (I have 2 of them). They are very different in terms of screen size.
The only sensible comparison is with a 12.9" iPad, either the heavier and thicker M1/M2 (which I also have) or the slightly thinner and lighter (than the M1/M2 but not than the M4) 2018/2020 one (I have the 2018 12.9).
And the weight difference is very significant. I don't know how much (if at all) the thinness factors in the comfort in the hand or if it's just the weight, but the M4 is way more comfortable to hold than the 2018, let alone the M1 (the new 13 Air is similar to the 2018).
Again this is not an 11" (let alone an iPad mini) alternative (and personally I have both sizes because I don't want to choose, for some uses the 11" will always be unbeatable, same for the 13") but as a large iPad the comfort in the hand is the main reason why I would get this.