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Would you buy the iPad if it ran Mac OS X?

  • I will buy the iPad, regardless.

    Votes: 38 35.5%
  • No, I'm not interested in buying an iPad, whatever the OS.

    Votes: 4 3.7%
  • Yes, I would have bought it if it had OS X.

    Votes: 35 32.7%
  • I would we more interested if it had OS X.

    Votes: 30 28.0%

  • Total voters
    107

snowy2004

macrumors member
Original poster
Sep 25, 2007
47
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Thank you for having something intelligent to say. I would like to respond.

Thank you. I'd like to respond as well.

I couldn't see Expose probably wouldn't translate easily. Spaces, I could see, maybe an implementation like the Pre or Android, multiple screens with apps and widgets.

I think, actually, that Exposé would fit perfectly into an iPad. The latest version under Snow Leopard has added very useful features that strike me as being taylor-made for easy touch navigation: Not showing windows as a mosaic but resizing and reordering them then under Exposé as to give them all the same screen real estate, always showing the name of each window and Dock Exposé (Navigating Exposé using Dock icons). I've never been interested in Spaces on my MBP but it does seem useful for an iPad's small screen.

It would take work to translate Mac OS to iPad in such a way that keeps it familiar while giving the user a proper experience.

Yes but I also feel that the this simply wasn't done at all regarding iPhone OS on the iPad. It's true: It UI looks just like a big iPod touch.

Now, let us say they've got something that will work. What about the apps? Well, Universal now has a new meaning: PPC, Intel and Apple (A4). This transition will take time, especially for big shops like Adobe. We probably wouldn't see CS until CS5. In addition, developers will have to tweak their UIs to something more friendly for a 9.7" touchscreen. This going to take time.

Ugh, True. But if we are still talking about a mythical OS X iPad, Apple could have slipped in an Intel chip to make that work rather than going in their current A4 and iPhone OS route.

I also think multi-tasking will eventually find its way into the device. But I haven't really seen any feasible suggestions. I really think that is a struggle for Apple. How do you introduce new elements to an established OS without shocking the user base? People are used to tapping on an icon, running that app, hitting the home button and running another. I would love to hear some suggestions of what people desire as far as multi-tasking. People are asking for it and I don't know if they know what they are really asking for. It isn't as simple as allowing resizable windows.

A very visual aid regarding multitasking already exists: The OS X dock. It clearly shows active programs and with some colour-coding, it could show which apps are using more resources than others.
 

bossxii

macrumors 68000
Nov 9, 2008
1,754
0
Kansas City
I would be more then willing to pay MBP price for a powerful tablet with OSX with wacom capability

I get that, and lots of "techies" would, but that doesn't make it profitable for Apple. Pretty sure they don't do this only because they enjoy making things. Does this make it another MBA, ATV type of product.

Apps made the iPhone/iPod Touch a huge hit. Software drives the hardware sales it would seem. So unless Apple can pull off a deal to have every major publisher rewrite and optimize their software for a touch interface what do you use on it? Sure they have tons of dev's working for the mobile platform but overhauling major software (as they did iWork) is a different story.

Is Adobe really going to totally overhaul Photoshop for Apple? Apple currently doesn't even have game developers porting many titles to the Mac, which has a fairly large installed base, even though a fraction of the Windows user base.

I'm guessing it takes allot less resources to write a app/game for the iPhone OS on a small screen vs taking someone's full blown application and making it now work well with a touch only interface. Apple had to rewrite iWork and sell it for $30 bucks. I would fall over in amazement if I ever see this:

Adobe Photoshop Touch $30 now on the app store! Hell even at $100, or $200.. I don't see it happening.

I honestly don't see how this benefits the very professional users that so badly want a tablet device when the software they would be using on it would be exactly as it's desktop counter part but just throwing in the fact it's now more difficult to use without a keyboard and mouse/trackpad/pen etc... and on a less powerful platform.
 

snowy2004

macrumors member
Original poster
Sep 25, 2007
47
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Please tell me what part of this I'm missing. Just dropping OSX on a tablet doesn't make it good. MS has shown us this over and over.

I think my big problem is that just throwing the iPhone OS on a tablet without a thorough optimization of the UI and of the capabilities of the device itself is no better.
 

bossxii

macrumors 68000
Nov 9, 2008
1,754
0
Kansas City
I think my big problem is that just throwing the iPhone OS on a tablet without a thorough optimization of the UI and of the capabilities of the device itself is no better.

I'm with ya on this. There is plenty of room to improve the UI. But per my last post above here, major software companies have not even been porting over full blown apps for the MBP/iMac side of things so I'm having a hard time believing they would all the sudden agree to not only port it to OSX but then to modify it to a touch interface and be expected to sell it cheaper than the Windows or regular OSX version.

I know I wouldn't want to pay for a "regular" version then all the sudden drop that same amount on say CS4 for the "touch" version. I see everyone talking about how HP or whatever using Windows 7 tablet fails because you can't just drop a full blow OS on a tablet. I fail to see how these rules don't apply to Apple if they all the sudden released the iPad with a full version of OSX on it. This of course without major modifications, which just make developing for it all the more of a challenge to get software optimized for a touch interface.
 

calderone

Cancelled
Aug 28, 2009
3,743
352
Thank you. I'd like to respond as well.


I think, actually, that Exposé would fit perfectly into an iPad. The latest version under Snow Leopard has added very useful features that strike me as being taylor-made for easy touch navigation: Not showing windows as a mosaic but resizing and reordering them then under Exposé as to give them all the same screen real estate, always showing the name of each window and Dock Exposé (Navigating Exposé using Dock icons). I've never been interested in Spaces on my MBP but it does seem useful for an iPad's small screen.

It isn't so much that it would not work at all. It would just have to be changed, and the question is how do I invoke it? Four fingers down? Three fingers left? No matter what I choose I have to exclude that combination from the SDK so that there are no gesture conflicts. Maybe a home button invocation? That is already used, do we maybe say hold it for 5 seconds for Expose? Expose sounds great in theory, but the problem is getting it into a device with no dedicated buttons for it.

In addition, we are working with devices that are limited in terms of hardware. This isn't a 2GB-4GB, 2Ghz+ packing machine. You would quickly have people exceeding the resources and thus diminishing the experience.

I have this issue with my HTC Hero. It is great that I can have twitter, facebook and a bunch of other widgets running, but it kills performance and makes the device crawl. I then have to pull out my Task Killer and kill some stuff to get it running properly.

Opening a device up to running anything the user wants at the same time will quickly kill the experience, and add components like task killers, etc. This must be considered when pondering this issue.

Yes but I also feel that the this simply wasn't done at all regarding iPhone OS on the iPad. It's true: It UI looks just like a big iPod touch.

What should they have done instead? They have a familiar OS that millions of people can pick up and use and seem to enjoy using. Why reinvent that for the sake of reinventing? What could they possible have done differently?

Ugh, True. But if we are still talking about a mythical OS X iPad, Apple could have slipped in an Intel chip to make that work rather than going in their current A4 and iPhone OS route.

They could have. But they want to develop their own silicon for these devices and I understand why. It is for the same reason that Macs have been successful, an intimate relationship between the hardware and software. Developing their own silicon means they get hardware that is made for the software, which translates to better performance even when the Ghz and MBs numbers appear low.


A very visual aid regarding multitasking already exists: The OS X dock. It clearly shows active programs and with some colour-coding, it could show which apps are using more resources than others.

There again, how to we translate this to a tablet? If we are going to have the dock up permanently, we just ate some of our screen real estate. If it will be hidden and appear when I what, put my finger somewhere at the bottom of the screen? Implementation is the problem here.

While resource cues would be useful for some users, most would probably just get frustrated with the device as it began to slow down.

If you give the Mac user a tablet with OS X you are going to have to beef up the specs (which also beefs up the price) or provide draconian restrictions on what can be running at the same time to ensure a decent experience.

It is honestly easier to use iPhone OS and introduce a new way to manage apps than to use what is existing, because people simply expect too much.
 

jacinto45

macrumors member
Jul 16, 2002
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I think my big problem is that just throwing the iPhone OS on a tablet without a thorough optimization of the UI and of the capabilities of the device itself is no better.

After watching the keynote and the video on apple.com, and looking at Safari, the iPod app, photos, calendar, and on and on, the interface looks phenomenal to me, and extremely optimized to the size of the tablet. How would you suggest it be changed to be optimized further?
 

admanimal

macrumors 68040
Apr 22, 2005
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This poll is missing the essential "no I do not want OS X and yes I will buy the iPad" option.
 

snowy2004

macrumors member
Original poster
Sep 25, 2007
47
0
After watching the keynote and the video on apple.com, and looking at Safari, the iPod app, photos, calendar, and on and on, the interface looks phenomenal to me, and extremely optimized to the size of the tablet. How would you suggest it be changed to be optimized further?

I just wished Apple would have done the same thing it did with the iPhone here: Looked at the device and wonder how to re-make it. Not just slapping an existing mobile OS (iPhone OS), doing some UI changes to take into account the larger screen and calling it a day but taking the iPad and asking themselves "How will people use this?"

The first problem comes with the home screen. There is sooo much lost space that could have been utilized not just to display apps, but to display actual, useful information people might want; stuff there just wasn't any room for on an iPhone. Another just plain odd UI choice is the fact that the contact app DOESN'T EVEN TAKE UP THE FULL SCREEN in Portrait mode!

iPhone OS on the iPad just feels made for the sake of making it, if not just slapped together, and not taylor-made to make use of such a nice, large screen.

This poll is missing the essential "no I do not want OS X and yes I will buy the iPad" option.

Doesn't "I will buy the iPad, regardless." mean the same thing?
 
Depends on how the interface was adapted and what processor and video card was used (as they can't use the current iPad processor as it isn't Intel). But most likely yes, as I have my iPhone which is smaller and can do all of the things the iPad can do and make phone calls. I don't need a giant iPod touch. A tablet running OS X would defiantly have piqued my interest.

King Mook Mook
 

Nebrie

macrumors 6502a
Jan 5, 2002
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Now, let us say they've got something that will work. What about the apps? Well, Universal now has a new meaning: PPC, Intel and Apple (A4). This transition will take time, especially for big shops like Adobe. We probably wouldn't see CS until CS5. In addition, developers will have to tweak their UIs to something more friendly for a 9.7" touchscreen. This going to take time.

This would create a new problem: the desktop UI now takes up way too much space unless the developer would be willing to maintain two entirely different UIs.
 

snowy2004

macrumors member
Original poster
Sep 25, 2007
47
0
+1

(The OP has created a false forced choice with this poll - - the results can safely be disregarded.)

I think I covered all the bases:

If you will buy it, choose option #1.
If you won't buy it, choose option #2.
If you would have bought it, had it had OS X, choose option #3.
If you would have been, at the very least, more interested in the iPad had it had OS X, choose option #4.
 
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