Would you still jailbreak and why?

[IBradMac]

Absolutely.

 

[jav6454]

I have read what jailbreaking is and there is no way around it. It makes changes the installed OS by Apple. With regards to access to parts of the UNIX OS and the home directory and many other things, but sill a violation of the EULA. So why don't you read the EULA and tell me how jailbreaking is not a violation of it, that might be more productive. Since one change to the OS or even access to it not granted by Apple is a violation knowing every nuance of jailbreaking isn't necessary.

In comments submitted to the Copyright Office, Apple said jailbreaking was a violation of copyright laws. "Current jailbreak techniques now in widespread use [utilizes] unauthorized modification to the copyrighted bootloader and OS, resulting in infringement of the copyright in those programs," Apple said. The iPhone's bootloader is a small program stored in the phone's nonvolatile memory that, as its name implies, loads the device's operating system.

Jailbreaking an iPhone breaks the law, Apple said, because the process relies on pirated copies of the bootloader and operating system.

Jailbreaking an iPhone has long since ceased to use a modified bootloader. So your argument is moot.

 

[Applejuiced]

Jailbreaking an iPhone has long since ceased to use a modified bootloader. So your argument is moot.

He's just very uneducated on the subject and he goes by assumptions.

 

[hamlinspahn]

Bootloader

Jailbreaking an iPhone has long since ceased to use a modified bootloader. So your argument is moot.

Ok if it doesn't require a bootloader any more does it still require modifications to the OS? And I suspect it uses something to interfere with the Apple loaded bootloader at minimum in order to get to the OS. Again like I said it only takes one violation so if you are right you have eliminate one of potentially thousands you still have a lot of work to do before you can claim it isn't a EULA violation and that Jailbreaking is a legal activity.

So what you are saying is "I am a criminal and I steal software" What I am saying is "I am not a criminal and I do not steal software"

 

[jav6454]

Ok if it doesn't require a bootloader any more does it still require modifications to the OS? And I suspect it uses something to interfere with the Apple loaded bootloader at minimum in order to get to the OS. Again like I said it only takes one violation so if you are right you have eliminate one of potentially thousands you still have a lot of work to do before you can claim it isn't a EULA violation and that Jailbreaking is a legal activity.

So what you are saying is "I am a criminal and I steal software" What I am saying is "I am not a criminal and I do not steal software"

No modification to the OS unless you want to. No on the bootloader part. Like I said, that ship has sailed.

Criminal? Hardly. Am I stealing? No, I don't use Installous or sh*t like that. All my apps are bought, and I have receipts from Apple if you so wish to see.

You really need to learn about jailbreaking, in fact, read this thread in its entirety; it has facts and FAQs about the iPhone OS and everything surrounding it. Really useful even for "developers" like you who have no idea.

 

[Applejuiced]

Ok if it doesn't require a bootloader any more does it still require modifications to the OS? And I suspect it uses something to interfere with the Apple loaded bootloader at minimum in order to get to the OS. Again like I said it only takes one violation so if you are right you have eliminate one of potentially thousands you still have a lot of work to do before you can claim it isn't a EULA violation and that Jailbreaking is a legal activity.

So what you are saying is "I am a criminal and I steal software" What I am saying is "I am not a criminal and I do not steal software"

Lol
There is no point in trying to educate you on the legality of the matter.
I guess you didnt bother clicking the link I provided.
A violation to Apples EULA is not illegal therefore you cannot accuse anyone of stealing or calling him a criminal.
That was not very nice of you to assume things like that start calling or judging people as thief or a criminal.
Keep it up and you wont be around here for long.....

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Jailbreaking an iPhone breaks the law, Apple said, because the process relies on pirated copies of the bootloader and operating system.

So because Apple says so it must be true.

So if Apple said Steve Jobs was God that would be true.

If Apple told you it was a good idea to shoot yourself in the head that would be true as well?

Just pointing out that the "because Apple said...." argument is not a good one at all and more just makes you look like a clueless apple fanboy.

 

[jav6454]

So because Apple says so it must be true.

So if Apple said Steve Jobs was God that would be true.

If Apple told you it was a good idea to shoot yourself in the head that would be true as well?

Just pointing out that the "because Apple said...." argument is not a good one at all and more just makes you look like a clueless apple fanboy.

Why thank you! I was writing a counter for that specific phrase, but decided to let some one else instead. I feel lazy to write as of late

 

[hamlinspahn]

Arguement

No modification to the OS unless you want to. No on the bootloader part. Like I said, that ship has sailed.

Criminal? Hardly. Am I stealing? No, I don't use Installous or sh*t like that. All my apps are bought, and I have receipts from Apple if you so wish to see.

You really need to learn about jailbreaking, in fact, read this thread in its entirety; it has facts and FAQs about the iPhone OS and everything surrounding it. Really useful even for "developers" like you who have no idea.

Well I am glad to hear that you aren't jailbreaking, I apologize for accusing you of being a criminal. I wished everyone shared our view on that.

I don't develop for iPhone or Apple, I work in industrial computers specifically in the Oil and Gas Industry so the details in iPhone and Apple development are of little interest to me. But stealing software is very important to me and I side with Apple on the merits of it. Jailbreaking simply put makes changes to the iPhone OS. Changes to the iPhone OS by anyone other than Apple or someone Apple has given permission to make changes is illegal, with penalties of $150000 and up to ten years in prison per incident, there is just no way around it. So arguing on specifically how and why Jailbreaking is criminal is really a waste of time and yes I took the bait. Jailbreaking may open a lot of features up and make the iPhone a more powerful tool but developers need to get paid for their work not by hacking someone else's. Theft is theft no matter who the victim is a billion dollar company or a guy like my self, and jailbreaking is theft.

So if you jailbreak you are a criminal.

And the whole bootloader issue I was quoting Apple on it use. And I suspect that Apple has a better take on just what jailbreaking is and how it is done, more that anyone on here including myself, so I will defer to them on the Jailbreaking techniques.

 

[LSUtigers03]

I'll always jailbreak because I use mywi to tether to my computer and now to my iPad.

 

[jav6454]

Well I am glad to hear that you aren't jailbreaking, I apologize for accusing you of being a criminal. I wished everyone shared our view on that.

....

And the whole bootloader issue I was quoting Apple on it use. And I suspect that Apple has a better take on just what jailbreaking is and how it is done, more that anyone on here including myself, so I will defer to them on the Jailbreaking techniques.

A whole wall of text for nothing. Clearly you are a blind Apple fanboy. I do jailbreak, in fact I have a jailbroken iPhone right now.

As per jailbreaking, did you even read what jailbreaking is really about? Or did you just ignore the links? Clearly I think it's the later. To which case, I am wondering right now, why the hell am I still responding to this clever troll. No one can be this thick.

As per Apple knowing about jailbreaking, hell no. The community knows more about jailbreaking than Apple. All Apple really does is moan about it and patch whatever hole we used.

 

[Applejuiced]

Jailbreaking simply put makes changes to the iPhone OS. Changes to the iPhone OS by anyone other than Apple or someone Apple has given permission to make changes is illegal, with penalties of $150000 and up to ten years in prison per incident, there is just no way around it. So arguing on specifically how and why Jailbreaking is criminal is really a waste of time and yes I took the bait. Jailbreaking may open a lot of features up and make the iPhone a more powerful tool but developers need to get paid for their work not by hacking someone else's. Theft is theft no matter who the victim is a billion dollar company or a guy like my self, and jailbreaking is theft.

So if you jailbreak you are a criminal.

Wow, you really are that ignorant on the topic or just refuse to understand.
Or perhaps you're just here to start drama and troll like mentioned above.
JB is not illegal and there is no $150000 fine or ten years in prison per incident.

 

[QuarterSwede]

I've jailbroken twice in the past both times leaving my iPhone sluggish/crashy after a month or two of use with only Backgrounder and SBSettings. If Apple doesn't pull out the 3G multitasking command then I'll definitely jailbreak 4.0 and only use that to hopefully keep a stable system.

 

[jav6454]

I've jailbroken twice in the past both times leaving my iPhone sluggish/crashy after a month or two of use with only Backgrounder and SBSettings. If Apple doesn't pull out the 3G multitasking command then I'll definitely jailbreak 4.0 and only use that to hopefully keep a stable system.

They won't. Jobs said that iPhone 3G and iPod Touch 2G don't have the hardware to support it, so they get some of 4.0's features, but not all of them. That included no multitask.

 

[hamlinspahn]

Eula

Lol
There is no point in trying to educate you on the legality of the matter.
I guess you didnt bother clicking the link I provided.
A violation to Apples EULA is not illegal therefore you cannot accuse anyone of stealing or calling him a criminal.
That was not very nice of you to assume things like that start calling or judging people as thief or a criminal.
Keep it up and you wont be around here for long.....

Jailbreak is illegal by Federal Law as outlined in the EULA as it is a copyright issue. And yes I can call someone a criminal if they are breaking the Law. But you are right the EULA alone is not a law. The EULA is a legal document/agreement between two parties and any violation of it is a violation of civil and or criminal law and penalties apply mostly civil but some criminal. I'm sorry I didn't make it clear where the whole criminal thing came from.

So again if you Jailbreak you are a criminal as covered by 17 U.S.C. 504 and or 18 U.S.C. 2319.

 

[jav6454]

Jailbreak is illegal by Federal Law as outlined in the EULA as it is a copyright issue. And yes I can call someone a criminal if they are breaking the Law. But you are right the EULA alone is not a law. The EULA is a legal document/agreement between two parties and any violation of it is a violation of civil and or criminal law and penalties apply mostly civil but some criminal. I'm sorry I didn't make it clear where the whole criminal thing came from.

So again if you Jailbreak you are a criminal as covered by 17 U.S.C. 504 and or 18 U.S.C. 2319.

And according to the Telecom Act I am not, yes, jailbreaking helps you get an unlock.

Computer programs in the form of firmware that enable wireless telephone handsets to connect to a wireless telephone communication network, when circumvention is accomplished for the sole purpose of lawfully connecting to a wireless telephone communication network. 17 U.S.C. 1201(a)(1) Librarian of Congress

Owned

 

[LSUtigers03]

It's been awhile since there's been a hardcore "jailbreaking is illegal" troll here. It's nice to know I'm a criminal because I jailbreak even though I've spent hundreds of dollars buying all my apps. Oh Lord Steve please forgive me for I have sinned against you.

 

[Alvi]

I am very happy and do not care about fancy stuff, i even like the normal non-customizable look.

My single reason to jailbreak is tethering it to my Laptop and i don't really need it a lot, i can't currently jailbreak my phone b/c i have 3.1.3 but i'd appreciate it if i can unlock it in some future

 

[Applejuiced]

Jailbreak is illegal by Federal Law as outlined in the EULA as it is a copyright issue. And yes I can call someone a criminal if they are breaking the Law. But you are right the EULA alone is not a law. The EULA is a legal document/agreement between two parties and any violation of it is a violation of civil and or criminal law and penalties apply mostly civil but some criminal. I'm sorry I didn't make it clear where the whole criminal thing came from.

So again if you Jailbreak you are a criminal as covered by 17 U.S.C. 504 and or 18 U.S.C. 2319.

Keep up your nonsense and trolling.
You wont be around much longer.....
At least most of us know now not to bother with you.

 

[QuarterSwede]

They won't. Jobs said that iPhone 3G and iPod Touch 2G don't have the hardware to support it, so they get some of 4.0's features, but not all of them. That included no multitask.

I meant the command that someone found in the 4.0 beta that allows multitasking on 3G. It's a simple command line you change to "TRUE" to enable it on non 3GS or iPod touch 3rd gen devices.

Apple says that the hardware doesn't support it but anyone whose run backgrounder (full multitasking even) knows that's a load.

 

[QuarterSwede]

Jailbreak is illegal by Federal Law as outlined in the EULA as it is a copyright issue. And yes I can call someone a criminal if they are breaking the Law. But you are right the EULA alone is not a law. The EULA is a legal document/agreement between two parties and any violation of it is a violation of civil and or criminal law and penalties apply mostly civil but some criminal. I'm sorry I didn't make it clear where the whole criminal thing came from.

So again if you Jailbreak you are a criminal as covered by 17 U.S.C. 504 and or 18 U.S.C. 2319.

Just food for thought. I'm guessing you speed frequently or at least have sped in the past. That's breaking the law. Criminal.

 

[jav6454]

I meant the command that someone found in the 4.0 beta that allows multitasking on 3G. It's a simple command line you change to "TRUE" to enable it on non 3GS or iPod touch 3rd gen devices.

Apple says that the hardware doesn't support it but anyone whose run backgrounder (full multitasking even) knows that's a load.

True, but, that is backgrounder running without the slew of new features in OS 4. We all know every time a slew of new features like the ones in OS 3 and 4 are updated into the OS, the entire OS takes a speed dip.

See 1st Gen iPhone from 1.x to 2.x to 3.x. Performance went bad at OS 3. Os became to bloated. Same thing with OS 4. It is going to bloat whatever free resources it had.

 

[QuarterSwede]

True, but, that is backgrounder running without the slew of new features in OS 4. We all know every time a slew of new features like the ones in OS 3 and 4 are updated into the OS, the entire OS takes a speed dip.

See 1st Gen iPhone from 1.x to 2.x to 3.x. Performance went bad at OS 3. Os became to bloated. Same thing with OS 4. It is going to bloat whatever free resources it had.

It's definitely possible. However, Apple's multitasking itself uses a lot less resources to keep things in the background than backgrounder does. Time will tell.

 

[Applejuiced]

I meant the command that someone found in the 4.0 beta that allows multitasking on 3G. It's a simple command line you change to "TRUE" to enable it on non 3GS or iPod touch 3rd gen devices.

Apple says that the hardware doesn't support it but anyone whose run backgrounder (full multitasking even) knows that's a load.

Yes, its possible after your JB.
Like jav6454 said above,the iphone 3G is going to be so bloated with 4.0, plus JB and hacks and with very low system resources I doubt it will be a good experience.

 

[jav6454]

It's definitely possible. However, Apple's multitasking itself uses a lot less resources to keep things in the background than backgrounder does. Time will tell.

That may be the case for that specific feature. However, the other features are going to bloat the OS and consume what little resources were left, thus in the end, making the whole experience a huge steaming pile of fail.