Wow, the 20" viewing angle really does suck!!

[inkswamp]

I know, it isnt the best picture, but i literally stood right next to the 24" iMac, barely looking at the screen, and the colors were perfect, the 20", however, the grey/white backround on the imac turned yellow, and i wasnt looking at it from a strong angle!! its the first time ive actually realized it, i knew about it, but never really seen it sooo bad!!

Right, and look at all that reflection and glare that Apple apologists claim don't exist. Gee, you must have Photoshopped that, right?

It's really sad that Apple chose to hobble a good computer with such a sucky monitor. If Apple just doesn't care about the display quality anymore, they should discontinue the iMacs, replace them with a line of headless machines and let consumers buy monitors from companies that actually care.

And shame on those of you asking "why would you ever look at the screen from that angle?" There's no reason the display on my 6-year-old G4 iMac should provide a better quality image than a new one. That's inexcusable. I can view my iMac's screen from any angle and get virtually no distortion. We always brag about how Apple's machines/OS cater to the user, not the other way around. When the users have to adjust their expectations and manner of working to make up for shortcomings in the computer, then Apple is doing something wrong. No excuses.

 

[bluedoggiant]

Right, and look at all that reflection and glare that Apple apologists claim don't exist. Gee, you must have Photoshopped that, right?

It's really sad that Apple chose to hobble a good computer with such a sucky monitor. If Apple just doesn't care about the display quality anymore, they should discontinue the iMacs, replace them with a line of headless machines and let consumers buy monitors from companies that actually care.

And shame on those of you asking "why would you ever look at the screen from that angle?" There's no reason the display on my 6-year-old G4 iMac should provide a better quality image than a new one. That's inexcusable. I can view my iMac's screen from any angle and get virtually no distortion. We always brag about how Apple's machines/OS cater to the user, not the other way around. When the users have to adjust their expectations and manner of working to make up for shortcomings in the computer, then Apple is doing something wrong. No excuses.

no photoshop, just a quick pic from my phone

 

[Leon Kowalski]

And shame on those of you asking "why would you ever look at the screen from that angle?"

Make that double shame. Those who ask haven't been studying The Fanboi Bible:

................http://www.apple.com/imac/technology/display.html

...............

...of course, that's "consumer grade" wondorous enjoyment,

LK

 

[nout72]

Right, and look at all that reflection and glare that Apple apologists claim don't exist. Gee, you must have Photoshopped that, right?

It's really sad that Apple chose to hobble a good computer with such a sucky monitor. If Apple just doesn't care about the display quality anymore, they should discontinue the iMacs, replace them with a line of headless machines and let consumers buy monitors from companies that actually care.

And shame on those of you asking "why would you ever look at the screen from that angle?" There's no reason the display on my 6-year-old G4 iMac should provide a better quality image than a new one. That's inexcusable. I can view my iMac's screen from any angle and get virtually no distortion. We always brag about how Apple's machines/OS cater to the user, not the other way around. When the users have to adjust their expectations and manner of working to make up for shortcomings in the computer, then Apple is doing something wrong. No excuses.

Sure, my iMac Bondi has a better viewing angle as well, but honestly there is absolutely no need for me to look at my 20 inch alu iMac from extreme viewing angles, why would I want to look at it from the sides if sitting in front of it is much more comfortable?

Yes, there are screens with better viewing angles.
Yes, clearly the previous iMacs had better screens.
But I don't give a f*ck, 99% of the time I sit in front of it.

Am I an Apple apologist when I claim loving the gloss finnish of my alu iMac?
Am I an Apple apologist when in practice, at my house the glare appears to be a non-issue?

 

[bluedoggiant]

Make that double shame. Those who ask haven't been studying The Fanboi Bible:

................http://www.apple.com/imac/technology/display.html

...............

...of course, that's "consumer grade" wondorous enjoyment,

LK

HAHA!!! theres a right and wrong in there, the right is that the 24" is breathtaking, because its big and nicer (IMO), and because it has a bigger viewing angle.

the wrong is the fact that they say "from every seat in the house". for the 24" imac, thats almost true, for the 20", no way.

 

[Zwhaler]

We can all agree on one thing-- reflections suck

Yup, I don't like the glossy screen either. I'm glad I got a matte one back when I could, but it seems like Apple is really pushing these glossy screens out there so my next computer will likely be one.

 

[hexonxonx]

There is no yellow tint on the 20" iMac that I bought yesterday. I even looked at the store when I was looking at the displays at Bestbuy where I got mine.
Not sure why it looks like the 20" has it in that photo but the displays are very nice.

 

[brop52]

Did you look on the crazy angle shown in the photo? Make sure you have a white page on the screen for the best result.

 

[stainlessliquid]

Whats sad is that horizontal viewing angles arent even close to being as bad as the vertical viewing angles. Someone should take a picture of it while standing above it. Its great how the picture INVERTS to a negative at an extreme enough angle.

http://picasaweb.google.com/molmac22/IMacDisplayProblem/photo#5133159360105408226

Look at the difference in the photos, and thats as straight on as you can get when looking at it. Adjust your head slightly higher or lower and the pictures would change even more. This is a physical property of TN displays, 100% of 20" aluminum imacs do this along with any other TN lcd, its scientifically impossible for them not to.

People who doubt the yellowness in the picture: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA-BsbS4e9w

 

[Mac Addict]

I bought the 20" & disliked the screen. The bottom was washed out, and the yellow tint glowed across the menu bars. I work with photographs so this was a downgrade from my 20" CD screen.

What did I do? Boxed it up the next day, took it back to the Apple store and paid the $300 for a 24". Now I'm satisfied, and had a good excuse for the wife to support the upgrade

 

[bluedoggiant]

Whats sad is that horizontal viewing angles arent even close to being as bad as the vertical viewing angles. Someone should take a picture of it while standing above it. Its great how the picture INVERTS to a negative at an extreme enough angle.

http://picasaweb.google.com/molmac22/IMacDisplayProblem/photo#5133159360105408226

Look at the difference in the photos, and thats as straight on as you can get when looking at it. Adjust your head slightly higher or lower and the pictures would change even more. This is a physical property of TN displays, 100% of 20" aluminum imacs do this along with any other TN lcd, its scientifically impossible for them not to.

People who doubt the yellowness in the picture: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA-BsbS4e9w

Wow, when he stood up and took the video from above, i mean, wow, i sometimes use my 24"er from that angle!! so, glad ive got the 24"

I bought the 20" & disliked the screen. The bottom was washed out, and the yellow tint glowed across the menu bars. I work with photographs so this was a downgrade from my 20" CD screen.

What did I do? Boxed it up the next day, took it back to the Apple store and paid the $300 for a 24". Now I'm satisfied, and had a good excuse for the wife to support the upgrade

Sorry, a little off topic, but why is it that men always have to ask their wives before buying a new computer, car, or tv? im not sure, im 14, and dont see how they can get mad.

 

[hexonxonx]

Whats sad is that horizontal viewing angles arent even close to being as bad as the vertical viewing angles. Someone should take a picture of it while standing above it. Its great how the picture INVERTS to a negative at an extreme enough angle.

http://picasaweb.google.com/molmac22/IMacDisplayProblem/photo#5133159360105408226

Look at the difference in the photos, and thats as straight on as you can get when looking at it. Adjust your head slightly higher or lower and the pictures would change even more. This is a physical property of TN displays, 100% of 20" aluminum imacs do this along with any other TN lcd, its scientifically impossible for them not to.

People who doubt the yellowness in the picture: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA-BsbS4e9w

I simply can't believe that people are concerned about this. It's a non issue simply for the fact that no one views a screen at those angles.

When I was at BedtBuy last night, I saw no difference in the screen quality between the 20" and 24" iMacs.

 

[stainlessliquid]

You dont view the screen at the same angle as this picture? http://picasaweb.google.com/molmac22/IMacDisplayProblem/photo#5133159360105408226

What if you want to show somebody something on screen? Theyd have to kneel down to your eye level before its possible to tell what they are looking at.

I think people have the right to complain when Apple downgrades the LCD of the 20" model without also downgrading the price. The LCD in the 20" is about as bad as you can get, yes its acceptable for casual use but its still very very bad compared to what else is available. People who do any kind of visual work whether hobby or professional will suffer from TN displays. It doesnt make sense why they went with the worst possible LCD technology when PVA is barely more expensive and is extremely better quality.

 

[brop52]

Let's see the comparison with a 24" at those angles.

 

[ryannel2003]

Wow, when he stood up and took the video from above, i mean, wow, i sometimes use my 24"er from that angle!! so, glad ive got the 24"



Sorry, a little off topic, but why is it that men always have to ask their wives before buying a new computer, car, or tv? im not sure, im 14, and dont see how they can get mad.

If the wife isn't happy... ain't nobody happy.

Not that I would know or anything, it's just what I heard!

 

[bluedoggiant]

I simply can't believe that people are concerned about this. It's a non issue simply for the fact that no one views a screen at those angles.

When I was at BedtBuy last night, I saw no difference in the screen quality between the 20" and 24" iMacs.

You dont view the screen at the same angle as this picture? http://picasaweb.google.com/molmac22/IMacDisplayProblem/photo#5133159360105408226

What if you want to show somebody something on screen? Theyd have to kneel down to your eye level before its possible to tell what they are looking at.

I think people have the right to complain when Apple downgrades the LCD of the 20" model without also downgrading the price. The LCD in the 20" is about as bad as you can get, yes its acceptable for casual use but its still very very bad compared to what else is available. People who do any kind of visual work whether hobby or professional will suffer from TN displays. It doesnt make sense why they went with the worst possible LCD technology when PVA is barely more expensive and is extremely better quality.

I do, but in the video, he stood up and took a shot of the 20" from above, sometimes, i use my imac like that, from that same angle, just a feeling that i get to lazy to sit , i know, i know

Let's see the comparison with a 24" at those angles.

I literally put my head to the side of imac, and damn, there was little, if no color disortion or change on the screen, the viewing angle is perfect, i may be wrong though, i guess its the display you have, i dont know what i have.

 

[Leon Kowalski]

Let's see the comparison with a 24" at those angles.

Here are some off-axis photos of a previous-generation 20" white iMac.
It has an S-IPS display very similar to the 24" ALU iMac (and all ACDs).

http://picasaweb.google.com/TheLooby/White20IMacScreenPhotos

The 24" ALU iMacs have (had?) some problems with backlight brightness
uniformity, but the viewing angles and color uniformity are excellent --
as good as any LCD panel on the market.

LK

 

[inkswamp]

I do, but in the video, he stood up and took a shot of the 20" from above, sometimes, i use my imac like that, from that same angle, just a feeling that i get to lazy to sit , i know, i know

It's not uncommon for people to view monitors from a standing position, both at home and at the workplace. Have you ever stopped someone passing by in your home to show them something on your display? Should they have to crouch down to get a decent view?

In any case, if Apple is going to charge its users a premium, they need to make sure the quality of their hardware justifies it. To me, it looks like there are far too many issues with the displays. Apple either needs to rectify this immediately or cut prices.

I literally put my head to the side of imac, and damn, there was little, if no color disortion or change on the screen, the viewing angle is perfect, i may be wrong though, i guess its the display you have, i dont know what i have.

There appear to be inconsistencies in display quality and some people are going to experience it and some are not. Further, some users are less demanding and simply won't care.

I can view the display on my 6-year-old iMac G4 from just about any angle or position and there is almost no distortion of the image, certainly far less than is being reported about the new iMacs. I don't understand how Apple let the display quality slip so badly that they are being outperformed by hardware produced 6 years ago. There's really no excuse for that.

 

[decksnap]

It's pretty cut and dry. The TN panels ALL have this trait. Anyway saying otherwise either doesn't actually have an aluminum iMac, or is kidding themselves. Your old screen doesn't because it was a higher quality screen. Not as bright, but not TN.

It's not exactly a quality 'slip'- it's a conscious decision to use a lower quality panel.

 

[Mac Addict]

It's pretty cut and dry. The TN panels ALL have this trait. Anyway saying otherwise either doesn't actually have an aluminum iMac, or is kidding themselves. Your old screen doesn't because it was a higher quality screen. Not as bright, but not TN.

It's not exactly a quality 'slip'- it's a conscious decision to use a lower quality panel.

You hit the nail on the head. Call it bickering or whatever you like, the quality different going from a 20" CD to a 20" C2D should not go down and it did. Do I and others have the right call out Apple on this... hell ya we do.

 

[Jimmdean]

This is pretty much a non-issue. 99% of iMac buyers aren't going to notice and/or care. Now, if you happen to be in that small minority, treat it like any other computer - if it doesn't meet your needs, buy something else.

 

[Mac Addict]

This is pretty much a non-issue. 99% of iMac buyers aren't going to notice and/or care. Now, if you happen to be in that small minority, treat it like any other computer - if it doesn't meet your needs, buy something else.

You're right, and I did... got the 24"

 

[Leon Kowalski]

This is pretty much a non-issue. 99% of iMac buyers aren't going to notice and/or care.

I noticed. I cared. Cared enough to return two ALU iMacs (a 20" and a 24")
for refunds. Traded up to a 20" white C2D -- with a high-quality display.

Does that make me an iMac buyer? ...an iMac non-buyer?

...or three iMac buyers?

LK

 

[ravenvii]

Just curious, but on a similar vein... is the MacBook displays TN, and the MacBook Pro displays S-IPS? Just wondering, because the MacBook I owned (first generation) had a horrible viewing angle, and it bothers me especially when watching DVDs. However the MacBook Pro I got last year has a great viewing angle, and viewing DVDs on it has been great. I once blamed the glossy display for this, but is it actually because of the difference between a TN and a S-IPS display?

 

[decksnap]

Just curious, but on a similar vein... is the MacBook displays TN, and the MacBook Pro displays S-IPS? Just wondering, because the MacBook I owned (first generation) had a horrible viewing angle, and it bothers me especially when watching DVDs. However the MacBook Pro I got last year has a great viewing angle, and viewing DVDs on it has been great. I once blamed the glossy display for this, but is it actually because of the difference between a TN and a S-IPS display?

Yes. The Macbook screen is TN. It's also the worst screen I've ever seen. You can't really watch video on it.