Yes. I agree. When I meant this sub I meant the people who whined like babies on the internet which is very vocal.I don't think the forum is toxic unless we cast aside personal responsibility. This forum is nothing more than a venue that we use for a variety of reasons.
MacRumors is a business seeking to make money from Apple related rumors. And if that money needs to come from promoting clickbait stories, said stories will get posted.
The bottom line is that a lot of grown adults allowed themselves to get caught up in the clickbait rumors and then got mad when Apple didn't live up to those imaginary expectations. Unfortunately, this kind of behavior happens all the time on here. A lot of people are quick to embrace pretty much anything they see on here.
When people create false expectations based on rumors created by clickbait whores like Prosser and his ilk, it doesn't matter what Apple does, because it will never be good enough.
There was nothing wrong with yesterday's presentation once you remove al the aforementioned verbal diarrhea. Just because some here didn't get their way, that doesn't mean yesterday was a failure, unless one believes that yesterday's presentation was about meeting every expectation the onlooker had. Sadly, that is the thinking of many here. Apple isn't in the business of meeting every expectation members here have. As long as members here continue to believe that false business narrative, said member will continue to be disappointed on a regular basis with some here throwing temper-tantrums about tech devices.