iPad Pro Xcode, Logic, and Final Cut for iPad

[patent10021]

Playgrounds app is good but full app development is not possible. Garage Band is good but not the full deal; nothing for FCP. It seems that with these new M series SoCs, these apps on iOS should be a no-brainer. New iPad Pros with M1 are more performant that all previous desktop class Macs. They call many things "Pro" yet if there is no Logic Pro or Xcode for iPad, how "Pro" are they?

Notably, if all the mobile and desktop class machines are going to be using the same M series, how are these pro apps for iOS not the next logical move?

Do you think these are in the works?

EDIT: Interesting
Apparently we're going to see them sooner than later. Especially Xcode.

 

[Abazigal]

Playgrounds app is good but full app development is not possible. Garage Band is good but not the full deal; nothing for FCP. It seems that with these new M series SoCs, these apps on iOS should be a no-brainer. New iPad Pros with M1 are more performant that all previous desktop class Macs. They call many things "Pro" yet if there is no Logic Pro or Xcode for iPad, how "Pro" are they?

Notably, if all the mobile and desktop class machines are going to be using the same M series, how are these pro apps for iOS not the next logical move?

Do you think these are in the works?

EDIT: Interesting
Apparently we're going to see them sooner than later. Especially Xcode.

I think that's Apple game plan. If developers can use Catalyst to bring iOS apps to the Mac, logic dictates that they too could bring Mac apps to iOS (more specifically, iPads).

The only thing holding them back would be specs, which is no longer a concern, because the new M1 iPad pros will have the same processor and amount of ram as the other M1 Macs. So any app that can run on an M1 Mac would be able to run on the new iPad Pros as well.

 

[teohyc]

If FCP does make it to iPad Pro, I wonder how file management will be handled?

Where the media is going to be imported to? Probably inside FCP itself instead of folders.

So how are backups to imported media handled? By iCloud? Assuming you have enough space.

And how are exported files going to be backed up? Again by iCloud?

If you want to share imported media with other colleagues, how would you do that?

 

[cupcakes2000]

Playgrounds app is good but full app development is not possible. Garage Band is good but not the full deal; nothing for FCP. It seems that with these new M series SoCs, these apps on iOS should be a no-brainer. New iPad Pros with M1 are more performant that all previous desktop class Macs. They call many things "Pro" yet if there is no Logic Pro or Xcode for iPad, how "Pro" are they?

Notably, if all the mobile and desktop class machines are going to be using the same M series, how are these pro apps for iOS not the next logical move?

Do you think these are in the works?

EDIT: Interesting
Apparently we're going to see them sooner than later. Especially Xcode.

There is more than one definition of pro, and in the image creation, editing and design world the iPad Pro has multiple desktop quality fully featured pro apps.

For fcp there is LumaFusion which is excellent if a little slimmed down compared to desktop nle’s. I imagine that will change now we have the m1 iPads.

I do think Apple are missing a trick by not yet introducing fcp or logic however. Hopefully they will fix it but then- they axed aperture for no reason which would have been a perfect iPad Pro app So who knows really

 

[Slartibart]

I think that's Apple game plan. If developers can use Catalyst to bring iOS apps to the Mac, logic dictates that they too could bring Mac apps to iOS (more specifically, iPads).

your logic is faulty if Catalyst and the iOS/iPadOS are a subset of the MacOS APIs. Apple should still be able to bring at least XCode for App development to the iPad... if they want. Bets on iPadOS 15 anyone? ?

 

[Slartibart]

If FCP does make it to iPad Pro, I wonder how file management will be handled?

All this. At least at the moment - iPadOS 14.4.2 - file management is... let’s say euphemistically “simple”... well, depending on what you do it is fair to say “unreliable” (just a teaser, there is more. Feel free to use the search function.).

 

[Starfia]

I don't know – Apple's always shown they've thought of the Mac, the iPad and the iPhone as separate kinds of things, "pro" or not. If Canon puts out a new "professional" camera with impressive light capturing, microscopic focus and telescopic zoom, does it seem reasonable to say "how can they call it professional if it doesn't run Logic Pro X"?

There are things with the portability of an iPad that can run Logic Pro X and Final Cut Pro X; they're called MacBooks. It's possible the iPad Pros' performance is capable of processing and rendering in the way the MacBooks are, but the question on Apple's mind will be whether the touch-first, all-display-first nature of the iPad will run those apps in a way that lets the iPad shine while being the iPad. Maybe the answer is yes – and wouldn't that be interesting – but it's totally possible the answer is no.

(Meanwhile, the iPad Pro and iPhone Pro are killing it in the area of augmented reality; they can scan a room in moments, render virtual objects that appear to circle around real people as though they were green-screened in a studio – the most expensive, powerful Mac available currently can't even begin to do that. If you're a pro who intends to spearhead the AR and VR revolution this decade, you want to be using one of those devices every workday. In that light, should we be asking why the Mac Pro isn't "Pro"?)

 

[cupcakes2000]

I don't know – Apple's always shown they've thought of the Mac, the iPad and the iPhone as separate kinds of things, "pro" or not. If Canon puts out a new "professional" camera with impressive light capturing, microscopic focus and telescopic zoom, does it seem reasonable to say "how can they call it professional if it doesn't run Logic Pro X"?

There are things with the portability of an iPad that can run Logic Pro X and Final Cut Pro X; they're called MacBooks. It's possible the iPad Pros' performance is capable of processing and rendering in the way the MacBooks are, but the question on Apple's mind will be whether the touch-first, all-display-first nature of the iPad will run those apps in a way that lets the iPad shine while being the iPad. Maybe the answer is yes – and wouldn't that be interesting – but it's totally possible the answer is no.

(Meanwhile, the iPad Pro and iPhone Pro are killing it in the area of augmented reality; they can scan a room in moments, render virtual objects that appear to circle around real people as though they were green-screened in a studio – the most expensive, powerful Mac available currently can't even begin to do that. If you're a pro who intends to spearhead the AR and VR revolution this decade, you want to be using one of those devices every workday. In that light, should we be asking why the Mac Pro isn't "Pro"?)

Exactly. People on these forums have one set idea as to whether something is ‘pro‘ or not. No HDMI port? Not pro. Only four TB ports and no other IO? Not pro. Touch Bar? Not pro.

Cant run Xcode? Not pro. Dare to suggest the multitude of things an ipad can do over what a mac can do - who cares, iPadOS is ***, iPads are toys and just giant phones.

They way some forum members speak is the exact opposite of ‘pro’.

 

[Selfmade RuLeZ]

Just want to spend my two cents.
I wont buy the iPad if it doesn't get at least the Pro Apps like XCode. But I watched the store for the iPad and saw a picture where they introduce the Thunderbolt-Technology. At this picture the iPad is running Final Cut Pro or is this something similar for mobile?

https://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4668/as-images.apple.com/is/ipad-pro-key-features-thunderbolt-202104_GEO_DE

Missed the footnote about Luma Fusion

 

[The Game 161]

I can sense the huge disappointment if it doesn’t come at WWDC

 

[Apple_Robert]

It is certainly possible. I think it all hinges on iPadOS 15.

 

[ScreenSavers]

I want to see FCP X on iPad so badly. As a FCP X user since 2011, I’ve been thinking of this for years. It would be all I need to upgrade from my 2020 11” to the M1 12.9”.

 

[ApplesAreSweet&Sour]

A company putting out a $799-$2199 device that has industry-leading displays, touch control, incredible cameras, Face-ID authentication, SIM-card slots, etc., etc., that ALSO does full desktop computing with macOS is not(!) going to happen while the same company is trying to sell us MacBooks, iMacs, and iPhones.

If Apple put a full macOS on iPads all its other "computer+display" products would take a giant blow in sales and popularity. This is especially true considering the new seemingly "full MacBook" experience you'll get if you pair your new, or old, iPad Pro with one of Apple's all-new Magic Keyboards. If they ran macOS, how could any of Apple's other products compete besides a new ARM Mac Pro? In terms of raw power, new ARM MBPs and Mac Pros might compete, but not in terms of pricing aka accessability.

On the contrary, I do see Apple further segmenting the iPad lineup and drawing a hard line between regular iPads and iPads Pro. This would materialise in them putting out incredibly RAM and GPU demanding versions of their pro apps for iPadOS that don't run well on non-pro iPads, or we'll see a straight up "iPadProOS"(not banking on the name) break off from regular iPadOS that offers the ability to run several pro apps while regular iPads are locked out.

Like everyone else here is saying, it all comes down to the next WWDC and iPadOS 15.

 

[AutomaticApple]

Apparently we're going to see them sooner than later. Especially Xcode.

I can't wait for WWDC!

 

[Tanax]

In the recent interview with Apple, they said the iPad with M1 was all about giving headroom to the developers for creating more professional and demanding apps. I would assume this will apply to the Apple apps as well, so I'm hoping programming finally makes an entrance in iPads, it's sorely missing right now!

The difficult part is of course that programmers usually have so many other tools to support their work flow. Docker, various terminal tools, local databases, etc. I hope the developers of these tools also find a way of having them on iPad!

 

[007p]

In the recent interview with Apple, they said the iPad with M1 was all about giving headroom to the developers for creating more professional and demanding apps. I would assume this will apply to the Apple apps as well, so I'm hoping programming finally makes an entrance in iPads, it's sorely missing right now!

The difficult part is of course that programmers usually have so many other tools to support their work flow. Docker, various terminal tools, local databases, etc. I hope the developers of these tools also find a way of having them on iPad!

Headroom was never the issue. It’s the operating system. It’s too locked down as it is to be useful for programmers/devs.

Apple either need to bring something out themselves, bypassing their own rules, or ease up restrictions so third parties can do it.

 

[gnomeisland]

Headroom was never the issue. It’s the operating system. It’s too locked down as it is to be useful for programmers/devs.

Apple either need to bring something out themselves, bypassing their own rules, or ease up restrictions so third parties can do it.

M1 brings virtualization tools to the iPad Pro. I'm skeptical that will mean full "virtual machines" but might it mean better, safer sandboxes with fewer restrictions? That seems contradictory, but by allowing apps the option to run in their own, feature complete instances of iPadOS (from a bare-metal, machine perspective) couldn't Apple open up more APIs and low-level access while still keeping the ultra-low-level stuff like Secure Enclave and kernel safe from tampering?

I wonder if that's the game plan not some iPadOS/MacOS hybrid.

 

[patent10021]

I didn't say just because you don't use Logic or FCP you're not pro. In saying that, Apple's traditional definition of "Pro" i.e. Mac Pro/MacBook Pro user was traditionally used for creators using LP, FCP, Xcode, etc.

I don't think any professional creators have created huge multi-media projects 100% using an iPad Pro. Name me a professional film-maker or music producer (well known pro, not indie) who created a project 100% in iPad. Sure parts of projects and maybe even 80%, but no way 100%.

With the new M1 iPad Pro that will change. All the devices/machines are going to be on a level playing field and the main difference will be merely device footprint/form-factor.

It's going to be a quick transition. Soon everything will be some iteration of an iPad.

 

[bscheffel]

You have to imagine that Apple will release FCP, LP, and Xcode for iPad now that there is sufficient memory to run them. My guess is that they will be M1 exclusives and until Apple hit the 8GB mark for RAM it just wasn't going to be a good experience. The elephant in the room is that every time Apple introduces a new iPad it has to find 3rd party apps to highlight the capabilities of their hardware. Um yeah sorry, our "Pro" machines don't run our "Pro" apps. This will change, it kinda has to. I just hope they aren't slimmed down versions of the Mac equivalent.

 

[cupcakes2000]

I didn't say just because you don't use Logic or FCP you're not pro. In saying that, Apple's traditional definition of "Pro" i.e. Mac Pro/MacBook Pro user was traditionally used for creators using LP, FCP, Xcode, etc.

I don't think any professional creators have created huge multi-media projects 100% using an iPad Pro. Name me a professional film-maker or music producer (well known pro, not indie) who created a project 100% in iPad. Sure parts of projects and maybe even 80%, but no way 100%.

With the new M1 iPad Pro that will change. All the devices/machines are going to be on a level playing field and the main difference will be merely device footprint/form-factor.

It's going to be a quick transition. Soon everything will be some iteration of an iPad.

Attention all indie devs, musicians or film makers. You are not pros. You cannot be well known. You do not count.

 

[Tanax]

Headroom was never the issue. It’s the operating system. It’s too locked down as it is to be useful for programmers/devs.

Apple either need to bring something out themselves, bypassing their own rules, or ease up restrictions so third parties can do it.

That was literally my point, yes.

 

[patent10021]

Attention all indie devs, musicians or film makers. You are not pros. You cannot be well known. You do not count.

Attention all indie devs, musicians or film makers. You are not pros. You cannot be well known. You do not count.

That's exactly correct. ->In terms of "classification" for a device<- you have to have a benchmark and that benchmark needs to be someone who is well-known (and) who completed a project using an Apple device for 100% of the project. Otherwise 100% of the population could be considered a pro.

If Edgar Allen Poe wrote all his works on a current iPad Pro, I would not consider that a pro device because his works do not need pro apps. He could write everything in email. Kanye who uses Logic and Pro Tools needs those pro apps. He could not do what he does, at the level he does, with inferior apps.

An iPad Pro was never a pro device. Until these new M1 iPads came out, "Pro" was purely marketing.
Now that we have M1 iPads, these will be proper devices for pros because they are at the same level as desktop class.

That's why until now there was never Xcode, FCP, Logic Pro for iPads. iPad was never a pro device.

 

[tollickd]

Personally as when they released the M1 last year they kept saying iOS apps can run on Mac OS thanks to the M1 I would feel its a huge lost opportunity for Apple not to make it the same for iOS not to support mac apps. Also a M1 in a IPad wold just be over kill if they dont see pro apps coming!

 

[cupcakes2000]

That's exactly correct. ->In terms of "classification" for a device<- you have to have a benchmark and that benchmark needs to be someone who is well-known (and) who completed a project using an Apple device for 100% of the project. Otherwise 100% of the population could be considered a pro.

If Edgar Allen Poe wrote all his works on a current iPad Pro, I would not consider that a pro device because his works do not need pro apps. He could write everything in email. Kanye who uses Logic and Pro Tools needs those pro apps. He could not do what he does, at the level he does, with inferior apps.

An iPad Pro was never a pro device. Until these new M1 iPads came out, "Pro" was purely marketing.
Now that we have M1 iPads, these will be proper devices for pros because they are at the same level as desktop class.

That's why until now there was never Xcode, FCP, Logic Pro for iPads. iPad was never a pro device.

I’m sorry, but what a load of c**p.
Pro isn’t a term for a famous person. Pro means professional. You can take that as you want but if you can make money by using your iPad, then it’s doing its marketed job.
As a pro photographer, I can and I absolutely do. I’m regularly published, won awards. I’m unlikely to be famous in anyone’s eyes, though my work is certainly known by some. Do I not count?

 

[UBS28]

I am very interested in Logic Pro on the iPad Pro. However, how will this work with 3rd party plugins?

I am willing to bet that I will probably have to pay for the same plugins I already own?

I honestly think that the touch interface is much better for Logic Pro than a mouse.