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Hessel89

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Being able to run Logic Pro and FCX would actually legitimize the name ”Pro”, and since the Pro now has the M1 inside, (while the other iPads don’t) this is now becoming a possibility. Running a full version of Logic Pro does however require a way to host AU plugins, sample management, and support for loads of audio interfaces. (Which in some cases still requires kernel extensions) The OS has to be made for ready that too. So maybe iPadOS 15 has something in store for us..
 

marty1980

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Certain apps will eventually make it into iPadOS. Apple seems to take small steps with each iteration of hardware and software. The M1 enables the iPad to run this software, but it doesn’t mean Apple is ready to bring said software to iPadOS.

Non-M1 iPads create a potential fragmentation issue for Apple if they were to bring said software to iPads. Unless they compromise the software to enable it to run on A10-A14.

I want them to bring said software to iPad sooner than later, but I set my expectations that my wants may not align with Apples plans.

Lastly, I wish people would stop asking for macOS on iPad. It’s clear that is not going to happen any time soon and when it does, it will probably be an adaptable OS and called something else (appleOS?).
 
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Digitalguy

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Certain apps will eventually make it into iPadOS. Apple seems to take small steps with each iteration of hardware and software. The M1 enables the iPad to run this software, but it doesn’t mean Apple is ready to bring said software to iPadOS.

Non-M1 iPads create a potential fragmentation issue for Apple if they were to bring said software to iPads. Unless they compromise the software to enable it to run on A10-A14.

I want them to bring said software to iPad sooner than later, but I set my expectations that my wants may not align with Apples plans.

Lastly, I wish people would stop asking for macOS on iPad. It’s clear that is not going to happen any time soon and when it does, it will probably be an adaptable OS and called something else (appleOS?).
Apple has shown a clear path and while things can change, this is the most likely thing... It means that every 2 years we have a big OS upgrade, and very little the following year, since at least IOS 9.
So this year is the year of big changes, I would expect very little in 2022.
 

Norre8

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Sep 27, 2018
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A company putting out a $799-$2199 device that has industry-leading displays, touch control, incredible cameras, Face-ID authentication, SIM-card slots, etc., etc., that ALSO does full desktop computing with macOS is not(!) going to happen while the same company is trying to sell us MacBooks, iMacs, and iPhones.

If Apple put a full macOS on iPads all its other "computer+display" products would take a giant blow in sales and popularity. This is especially true considering the new seemingly "full MacBook" experience you'll get if you pair your new, or old, iPad Pro with one of Apple's all-new Magic Keyboards. If they ran macOS, how could any of Apple's other products compete besides a new ARM Mac Pro? In terms of raw power, new ARM MBPs and Mac Pros might compete, but not in terms of pricing aka accessability.

On the contrary, I do see Apple further segmenting the iPad lineup and drawing a hard line between regular iPads and iPads Pro. This would materialise in them putting out incredibly RAM and GPU demanding versions of their pro apps for iPadOS that don't run well on non-pro iPads, or we'll see a straight up "iPadProOS"(not banking on the name) break off from regular iPadOS that offers the ability to run several pro apps while regular iPads are locked out.

Like everyone else here is saying, it all comes down to the next WWDC and iPadOS 15.
Disagree. I think people will still buy what they are comfortable with. I think it would increase iPad sells more than anything. They need to compete more with Microsoft Surface
 

nighthawk67

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Aug 26, 2016
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If I don’t run the pro apps should i just go with last years model or do we think looking to the future that the A chips will be dropped quicker? I am still running the 2016 9.7 inch and it still runs very quickly I just want a larger screen and my mid 2013 MacBook Air is finally starting to not be as snappy on Big Sur so I am just going to probably sell both of them and upgrade to just an iPad, but I want longevity. It just seems like the 2020 is still a beast in performance as far as general productivity use which is about all I do.
 

007p

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Mar 7, 2012
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If I don’t run the pro apps should i just go with last years model or do we think looking to the future that the A chips will be dropped quicker? I am still running the 2016 9.7 inch and it still runs very quickly I just want a larger screen and my mid 2013 MacBook Air is finally starting to not be as snappy on Big Sur so I am just going to probably sell both of them and upgrade to just an iPad, but I want longevity. It just seems like the 2020 is still a beast in performance as far as general productivity use which is about all I do.

Wait until June 7th (WWDC). No one here knows what Apple is planning. It could be nothing or it could be massive. We won’t know until WWDC. It’s hard to judge exactly what longevity could or does mean without knowing Apples future plans for the software side.
 

Yoms

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Jun 1, 2016
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Apple's traditional definition of "Pro" i.e. Mac Pro/MacBook Pro user was traditionally used for creators using LP, FCP, Xcode, etc.
Apple's "Pro" mnemonic has definitely no more meaning since the release of AirPods Pro. So what? If you listen to music with them, you're a "Pro" and if not, you're not?

Pro means professional
Nope. It's just a word to say "better" than the device that does not carry the very same mnemonic.

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Who realistically still believe that the "Pro" mnemonic has anything to do with "professional activity"? It's just marketing, no more.
 
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cupcakes2000

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Apple's "Pro" mnemonic has definitely no more meaning since the release of AirPods Pro. So what? If you listen to music with them, you're a "Pro" and if not, you're not?


Nope. It's just a word to say "better" than the device that does not carry the very same mnemonic.

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Who realistically still believe that the "Pro" mnemonic has anything to do with "professional activity"? It's just marketing, no more.
Way to take my comment out of context. I was simply stating that a pro means professional in the context that you receive money from your endeavour - in the case of my discussion with the op, the creative fields. The op was trying to say that someone can only be pro if they’re famous and well known.
With regards to apples use of the term, it’s merely to denote a higher tier of product. Contrary to what you’re suggesting, these higher tier models do have features which can be considered a boost for someone in some professions.
 

Yoms

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Contrary to what you’re suggesting, these higher tier models do have features which can be considered a boost for someone in some professions.
I'm not suggesting anything. I'm simply saying that the "Pro" mnemonic has no longer anything to do with "being famous or not", "receiving money from your endeavour" or anything actually. There's absolutely no connection to be made between a buyer's profile and this "Pro" mnemonic.

It's just a marketing word for "higher tier product" as you rightly put it. Nothing else, full stop.
 

cupcakes2000

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I'm not suggesting anything. I'm simply saying that the "Pro" mnemonic has no longer anything to do with "being famous or not", "receiving money from your endeavour" or anything actually. There's absolutely no connection to be made between a buyer's profile and this "Pro" mnemonic.

It's just a marketing word for "higher tier product" as you rightly put it. Nothing else, full stop.
Great. But the conversation you butted into and quoted out of context wasn’t talking about this. It was about me refuting the ops suggestion that an iPad can only be classed as a pro machine if a very famous and well know musician or film maker had started and 100% completed a project on an iPad Pro. If no one (who was a famous and well know musician or filmmaker) had ever done it, then the iPad couldn’t be for professionals or classed as a professional machine.
This is obvious nonsense, and also has nothing to do with you keep trying to insist that the pro label means nothing.

However, to reiterate, pro models of all of apples machines, tablets, phones, AirPods or whatever - are labelled pro to differentiate them from basic models and versions.
They do though, come with higher end features that certain professionals may prefer.
Camera on iPhone pro.
Screen on iPad Pro.
Processors and io on pro macs.
Noise cancelling on AirPod pros.
They’re not just basic kit with a ‘pro’ label for no reason.
 

Yoms

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Great. But the conversation you butted into and quoted out of context wasn’t talking about this. It was about me refuting the ops suggestion that an iPad can only be classed as a pro machine if a very famous and well know musician or film maker had started and 100% completed a project on an iPad Pro. If no one (who was a famous and well know musician or filmmaker) had ever done it, then the iPad couldn’t be for professionals or classed as a professional machine.
This is obvious nonsense, and also has nothing to do with you keep trying to insist that the pro label means nothing.
I did read the conversation, but maybe you're the one who's missing my point? Don't know. Without being disrespectful, I'm basically saying that the conversation you have with the OP has just nothing to do with the iPad and "Pro" thingy. That's all. I understand you and the OP have distinct POV about what a "pro machine" is or isn't. I read both of you. But, trying to classify what a pro machine is, whether according to your POV or the OP's, makes no sense anymore. There are no such thing of pro iPads.


However, to reiterate, pro models of all of apples machines, tablets, phones, AirPods or whatever - are labelled pro to differentiate them from basic models and versions.
They do though, come with higher end features that certain professionals may prefer.
Camera on iPhone pro.
Screen on iPad Pro.
Processors and io on pro macs.
Noise cancelling on AirPod pros.
They’re not just basic kit with a ‘pro’ label for no reason.
I agree with this and never said the opposite. Indeed, it's not "for no reason". It's a marketing reason and I've never said marketing is only BS that doesn't rely on technical specs.
 

tonywalker23

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Dec 21, 2003
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I was holding out until today tinkering with the idea of buying the education bundle for 199. I’m in college and can get the apps for $200, but was waiting until today to see if they announce some kind of new pricing model or roadmap for the apps before I purchased anything. I don’t have no how to use any of the apps but if I could get them for that price then I guess I have the future to learn how to use them
 
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