MP All Models XDR Pro monitor issue?

[rkuo]

Can someone tell me why colorists need something better than an XDR? Are films ever projected or watched on anything that even relatively matches the specs of the XDR let alone a reference monitor?

Not saying they don't, I seriously don't know. It just seems like overkill.

First, you certainly would want even/consistent contrast across the entire screen. Without this, you might darken areas that are actually just brighter due to blooming artifacts from local dimming. This rules out the XDR for many classes of work unless it can disable the local dimming.

Second, proper calibration throughout the entire chain is necessary to give the consumer at the end a fighting chance of looking at the correct image. If any part of the chain is off, it's basically not recoverable.

Third, displays are constantly advancing. A product produced today may be sold and resold many times in the future on ever improving display technology. So it behooves producers now to get it right, right now.

Fourth, 8K is being pushed ... and while I think it's wildly overkill, a 6K monitor clearly doesn't display 8K at 1:1.

Fifth, think of the variance in brightness you see in real life. Monitors today still don't come close to representing the brightness and contrast of sunlight streaming through your window next to a dark corner of your desk. At 1600 nits the XDR actually doesn't reach the peak localized brightness of top TV's today.

There are more reasons but that is enough for now.

 

[RyanFlynn]

At 1600 nits the XDR actually doesn't reach the peak localized brightness of top TV's today.

What high end tv can hit 1600? I have a current model Sony master series oled 77” that costs about $6k that only its 750 nits

 

[Adult80HD]

What high end tv can hit 1600? I have a current model Sony master series oled 77” that costs about $6k that only its 750 nits

Apparently Sony's FALD LED 8K Master series will hit almost 1700 nits, but that's a rare outside exception, so making it seem like the XDR is somehow falling short is a BIG stretch, but these guys here have been trying hard to find every reason to hate on it. Nothing new, same thing with Apple products since, oh, forever.

 

[blackadde]

They hyperbole isn't necessary, but it's never necessary with ANY marketing, and it's not like Apple is the only company who does marketing that way. It's EVERYBODY. That said, this monitor is packed with capabilities and features that currently no other monitor offers at this price point. Putting the pricey stand aside, the display itself is very competitively priced next to the few offerings (like the Asus and one or two other 4K displays) that are available.

Yeah, you certainly do need to put on your marketing filter when it comes to Apple presentations.

I think a fair point of comparison is to just look at the marketing pitch of Apple's competitors - I disagree strongly that 'everybody' does it in such a hyperbolic and misleading way. I work in advertising so maybe I just have a sensitivity to copywriting with such a fast and loose grasp on the facts.

Nobody else is making claims that they're inventing a whole new category of display ('XDR') or that it's the 'world's best pro display'.

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[Timothy Leo Crowley]

haters gonna hate. yawn.

 

[j81photo]

Correct, and the XDR is at an angle, where the blooming is much more noticeable *and* they are literally picking a worst-case scenario. It's a set up to try and make the Apple look bad. Never mind that the Flanders also costs $35,000.

"at an angle" is exactly the problem im fighting. I thought I was imagining it but after using this for about a month I'm getting really frustrated trying to color balance consistently across images. I'm constantly dragging the work areas to the center of the screen (which kinda defeats the whole 30" giant size if you cant trust all of it right?)

Found a review ON APPLES SITE with a guy literally rolling his chair around to look at his work.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/251090170

Pretty bad.

 

[Adult80HD]

"at an angle" is exactly the problem im fighting. I thought I was imagining it but after using this for about a month I'm getting really frustrated trying to color balance consistently across images. I'm constantly dragging the work areas to the center of the screen (which kinda defeats the whole 30" giant size if you cant trust all of it right?)

Found a review ON APPLES SITE with a guy literally rolling his chair around to look at his work.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/251090170

Pretty bad.

You're confusing my quote about *blooming* with off-axis color shift. I get the feeling that too many people are sitting way too close to their monitors. The optimal viewing distance for a larger screen like this is going to be 24" or more. A photo like you shared in that thread also really exaggerates the effect compared to the visual appearance--I've found that photos taken with my phone show a much stronger blue tone than I can see in person (no doubt a function of the sensitivity to the camera in those frequencies).

I have a 27" LG UltraFine on my desk as well as the ProDisplay XDR and if I tilt both the same way and get in close, I can see the XDR show an effect similar to the photo, but the LG shows a similar color shift, just with different colors--a warm almost yellowish to a colder more greenish hue. This is at its root a function of how LCD displays function, especially when you get in really close and view them off-axis. Because it's a larger screen, it will be much more noticeable on the XDR at the same distance at which other smaller screens seem to not show the effect.

 

[j81photo]

You're confusing my quote about *blooming* with off-axis color shift. I get the feeling that too many people are sitting way too close to their monitors. The optimal viewing distance for a larger screen like this is going to be 24" or more. A photo like you shared in that thread also really exaggerates the effect compared to the visual appearance--I've found that photos taken with my phone show a much stronger blue tone than I can see in person (no doubt a function of the sensitivity to the camera in those frequencies).

I have a 27" LG UltraFine on my desk as well as the ProDisplay XDR and if I tilt both the same way and get in close, I can see the XDR show an effect similar to the photo, but the LG shows a similar color shift, just with different colors--a warm almost yellowish to a colder more greenish hue. This is at its root a function of how LCD displays function, especially when you get in really close and view them off-axis. Because it's a larger screen, it will be much more noticeable on the XDR at the same distance at which other smaller screens seem to not show the effect.

I typically sit about 2 feet from my display which seems like a natural distance for any computer work station, and the color shift and brightness falloff is every but as noticeable as the images in that post. Frustrating for sure in a display touted as having a "superwide" viewing angle in all the apple promotions. Not much that can be done now unfortunately.