You are all being silly!

[txnoob]

Apparently many people are under the impression that a picture at 12 MP is better quality than 10 MP.

Apparently. Quality is in the optics. The MP rating only designates how large that image can become before degradation of quality. Other factors affect image quality as well, but trying to simplify.

For instance a 6.1MP image would most likley produce a higher quality 8x10 photo than a 3.0MP image. Assuming the specs were the same in every other way. More dots per inch the longer the quality of the image lasts as it gets larger. If you were printing 4x6 pictures for a photo album, you would most likely not notice the difference.

Same principle applies to a computer. If all your doing is browsing the net, cropping some pictures, and writing the latest term paper, then why would it matter if you had a 24" iMac CD2 2.8 w/ 8800GS or a 24" iMac C2D 3.06 w/ ATI 4850? Just because it came out? That's foolish. Most people would not do that. Espcially when most people know that whenever an electronics purchase is made, it's outdated in 6 months, maybe less.

 

[rich.smith]

Apple is not rushing not because they've got great hardware, they're not rushing because they've got most people that like OS X by the b*lls because they control hardware and software.

"you want to use our wonderful OS? sure but you have to pay out the @ss for outdated technology"

It's a completely different model for Windows boxes, if a company like HP or Dell was offering the same specs as Apple they would lose sales and the company would probably go bankrupt cause someone else will offer better and newer specs for the same price. But if someone tries to offer better specs with OS X then Apple sues them, sure Apple is smart when it comes to their business model, but value and innovation? far from it.

WTF? Dell is offering machines that are LOWER powered than the previous generation iMacs. Get your facts straight.

iMac: $1199

2.66 Core 2 duo
1066 MHz FSB
2 GB, 1066 MHz DDR3 RAM
320 GB HD
NVidia 9400M

Dell XPS One: $999

2.2 Core 2 Duo
800 Mhz FSB
2 GB, 667 MHZ DDR2 RAM
250 GB HD
Integrated Graphics


Also compare the Dell Studio Hybrid Desktop to the Mac mini. The mini has better graphics. The Dell has some nice features. They are similarly priced.

 

[MasterNile]

WTF? Dell is offering machines that are LOWER powered than the previous generation iMacs. Get your facts straight.

iMac: $1199

2.66 Core 2 duo
1066 MHz FSB
2 GB, 1066 MHz DDR3 RAM
320 GB HD
NVidia 9400M

Dell XPS One: $999

2.2 Core 2 Duo
800 Mhz FSB
2 GB, 667 MHZ DDR2 RAM
250 GB HD
Integrated Graphics


Also compare the Dell Studio Hybrid Desktop to the Mac mini. The mini has better graphics. The Dell has some nice features. They are similarly priced.

Well first off you're looking at the price for the product red version which is $200 more just for the red color, 2nd the 9400M is integrated graphics as well, so you're saying you can almost match the specs on the 2.66 iMac for $400 less....I don't see your point. The slight boost you'd get from the iMac vs the XPS one isn't worth $400 IMO. (I'm not taking into account any OS)

EDIT: oh and you didn't include the TV tuner in your comparison.

 

[rich.smith]

Well first off you're looking at the price for the product red version which is $200 more just for the red color, 2nd the 9400M is integrated graphics as well, so you're saying you can almost match the specs on the 2.66 iMac for $400 less....I don't see your point. The slight boost you'd get from the iMac vs the XPS one isn't worth $400 IMO. (I'm not taking into account any OS)

EDIT: oh and you didn't include the TV tuner in your comparison.

It's a $200 (1199 vs 999) difference for less power. The Dell is using OLDER technology than the Mac. Where is your outrage about the Dell? Why aren't they bankrupt?

You are welcome to your opinion about the difference between the entry level XPS One and the entry level iMac. You simply have to choose with your wallet. I would pick the Dell over the iMac. The iMac offers more value to me.

 

[m1stake]

good thread, would read again

 

[cold]

It's a $200 (1199 vs 999) difference for less power. The Dell is using OLDER technology than the Mac. Where is your outrage about the Dell? Why aren't they bankrupt?

You are welcome to your opinion about the difference between the entry level XPS One and the entry level iMac. You simply have to choose with your wallet. I would pick the Dell over the iMac. The iMac offers more value to me.

The Dell costs 799$, so it's a 400$ difference.

 

[rich.smith]

The Dell costs 799$, so it's a 400$ difference.

The model that I was comparing (because it has the full version of Vista) is $999.

My point remains. The bogus claim that I was responding to was that Apple was shipping outdated components and that if Dell did that, they would be bankrupt.

The fact is that the iMac has newer components and that the prices between comparable models are similar. When you add in OS X, iLife, and (for me at least) access to an Apple store, the iMac is a MUCH better value. The repetitive claims that Apple is ripping people off are old, annoying, and just plain wrong.

The legitimate complaint is that Apple does not offer a cheap, low-cost option in their lineup. What the average consumer fails to acknowledge is that the low-cost options from the PC vendors lineups are cheaply made. How else could Dell rationalize having desktops and laptops that vary in price by hundreds of dollars? Check the prices on Dell laptops and come up with another explanation for the price variation. Apple simply chooses to not play in the cheap, low-cost market segment.

Did you happen to notice that the person who made the bogus claim suddenly dropped that part of the argument?

 

[MH01]

I´m not arguing about the upgrades being minimal or not.
I´m simply stating there´s a company here that are consolidating their products (because they are great) when everyone else is rushing for no other purpose than making money. That´s Vista is a failure

Really glad that you love you mac and Apple, but your missing one really important point here.

Its called competition, everyone else is rushing to produce better and faster computers cause there is massive competition in the computer market. If it was not for OS X Apple hardware would be a failure in the market, most of us buy macs for OS X. And frankly i have no choice to but to wait until the next update, not do i have a choice in what i get, Apple dictates what the update is and i have to accept it. At least in the PC market u have a choice, Dell update is ******, get a HP or build your own.

Is this really great??? Personal choice I guess.

In regards to the Camera example, I am not a nikon user, but i use Canon bodies, and frankly a 1Dmark3 or 5DMark2 are more then upgrades over their previous bodies, the issues here is not 8MP v 10MP or 13MP v 21MP, its the ability capture the photo with improved AF and lowlight shooting ability, a the big bonus. If the new bodies allow me to capture twice as many photos, that is a huge improvement. Same goes for computers, if my livelyhood is processing Videos/music and apple does not upgrade the mac pro for 12 months (and does not say when they will), I may have to look at a PC to encode much faster ....that is a issue! Time = money

The thing is that alot of people who love thier Apples have really basic computer needs, and these updates mean little to them. Its actually an issue for power users.

 

[belvdr]

"So say said camera took an 10mp picture. You are saying it no longer takes 10mp pictures"

I am of course saying that a 10mp picture doesn´t mean the same anymore. Therefore, it is not the same equipment per say

It is the same equipment. It's just you may see better value in the new technology. The camera hasn't changed.

EDIT: just an FYI, it's "per se", not "per say".